Fast wicking

[Justadude]

Between dna, yihi and the hohmtech fsk; there's a lot of difference. I don't like yihi that much. Love the dna and the fsk. They are substantially better than the kanger or joyetech boards. I find that the dna/fsk are more efficient in power delivery and temp accuracy.

Interesting. So what do you think would be a good box mod upgrade I should look into? Would rx200 wismec be worth a shot for the money or should I look into something else? Keep in mind I'm not doing nickel or titanium coils, makes me wonder why I ended up getting the presa, oh yeah, cause it looks sweet and fits the avocado 24 pretty flush

 

[markcfh]

Interesting. So what do you think would be a good box mod upgrade I should look into? Would rx200 wismec be worth a shot for the money or should I look into something else? Keep in mind I'm not doing nickel or titanium coils, makes me wonder why I ended up getting the presa, oh yeah, cause it looks sweet and fits the avocado 24 pretty flush

I totally would recommend: rx200/s, most dnas, or a hohmwrecker g2. For budget wattage the rx is great. The 510 leaves something to be desired though.

 

[Justadude]

So I just tested it with half wicking, unless I tilt it almost upside down I'm still getting dry hits, sigh.

 

[markcfh]

So I just tested it with half wicking, unless I tilt it almost upside down I'm still getting dry hits, sigh.

I hold mine straight flat with no problems. It took me a few runs to get my wick down, but now they last easily 5 or more days with some sweet juice.

 

[Justadude]

I hold mine straight flat with no problems. It took me a few runs to get my wick down, but now they last easily 5 or more days with some sweet juice.

Are you doing full lung hits? Should I not be chain vaping it? I would think it "should" work even if chain vaping but maybe I'm wrong. Is your wicking any different than what we all originally mentioned above? Sorry for all the questions dude I'm simply curious.

 

[markcfh]

Are you doing full lung hits? Should I not be chain vaping it? I would think it "should" work even if chain vaping but maybe I'm wrong. Is your wicking any different than what we all originally mentioned above? Sorry for all the questions dude I'm simply curious.

Ya dl inhale. My wicks are very similar to what daddy showed us. Everytime I vape it, I go through a few ml's. When I really dig in, I'll hold my mod sideways, so at least 2 of 4 wick tails are sitting in the juice.

 

[Daddy]

at least 2 of 4 wick tails are sitting in the juice.

This.

If your wick isn't touching the juice, of course it's going to get dry. I don't tilt mine, as @markcfh says he does, I just cut my wick long enough it touches the bottom of the tank. I usually refill when my tanks are 1/2 to 1/3 full anyways and rarely if ever run any tank dry.

I pretty much chain vape 1mg nic all day long (20-30ml juice per day) and experience no dry hits with 26x2 36g n80 fused claptons at 120-140 watts using the wicking technique described in the pictures.

If you are still experiencing dry hits you are not doing something correctly. I suggest rereading this thread, because all the information is here.

 

[Daddy]

I didn't think a chip would make that much difference.

The chip is the board that runs the device. Different manufactures provide different boards for their devices and the vape experience varies greatly from board manufacture. For example Wismec RX200 ($40) does not vape near as well as the Wismec DNA200 ($125) version. The cheaper version has a slower ramp up time, not as accurate for temp control, has smaller wiring, does not offer reverse polarity battery protection and is not as safe to charge via USB. The devices look similar but function very differently.

 

[Justadude]

Idk guys, I wicked it exactly same way as you guys in previous posts. You saw it on the pictures anyway for yourself. My thinking is that maybe because coil gets hotter when chain vaping that for some reason it's not wicking fast enough.

My wicks are close to the bottom of the tank but I have to tilt it if I want to avoid dry hits. Worst comes to worst I'll get some juice in my mouth but I can live with that. Much like you guys I don't run the tank dry either.

It's definitely wicking a lot better than before but I want to be able to take long ... pulls around 5 seconds without having to worry about getting dry hits if I chain vape that way.

What pg/vg are you guys running in yours? I'm at 20/80 right now so I'm thinking if that's maybe the problem.

 

[markcfh]

I run my fused at 100w. When the top cap gets hot I let it cool. I use max vg. As the tank gets warm, the juice should thin out.

 

[Daddy]

What pg/vg are you guys running in yours? I'm at 20/80 right now so I'm thinking if that's maybe the problem.

I make my own juice and it's usually 90/10 or 85/15. I don't have many recipes that require me to go to 80/20 or thinner.

You said your wicks are "close to the bottom" why not put them on the bottom?

You are stating you have to tilt the tank to get it to wick - this tells me your wicks are to short and when you tilt the tank the juice reaches the wick. This is the only logical conclusion one can reach with the information you are providing us.

If you are getting juice in your mouth it is because you are not vaporizing the juice on the coil - in other words you need more power.

I don't know what else to tell you. This tank is not this complicated.

 

[Justadude]

I'm gonna rewick it right now, make sure the cotton goes all the way to the bottom, saturate the coil and have a vape. What do you guys think would be a good test to see if it's wicking quick enough? I've thought about not saturating the coil and let it sit for a while to see if the juice will reach the top. Thoughts?

I only get juice if I flip this thing basically upside down and vape like that. I only do that to wick it fast enough and avoid dry hits. If I just have it horizontal it won't wick fast enough when I chain vape it. Hence my original concern, hence this thread. I must be missing something but I could have swore I already ruled everything out.

 

[Justadude]

Middle snug, sides cut off about 2/3rds as before

All the way to the bottom of the tank. Hopefully you guys can see that

Please tell me that it's not "too little cotton" that's on there.

Filled the tank to the brim and waiting for it to wick itself and it doesn't seem to want to. Btw I'm using kon gen do cotton but didn't Scottish it.

 

[Justadude]

Chain vaped 7 times. Was fine. Running this at 45 watts. Chain vaped 5 more full lung hits about 5 seconds or so and started getting the death of puppies. Dafak

 

[Justadude]

Refilled the tank last night which seemed to help. How big of a lung hit do you guys take?

 

[Daddy]

My idea of chain vaping is not quite as extreme as yours. When I hear chain vaping I'm thinking 3 to 5 hits in a minute or two.

I guess my average inhale is 3 to 5 seconds?

It appears that you are trying to purposely run the tank dry? What tank on the market allows you to take a dozen 5 second inhales back to back with out going dry?

What tank have you used that can keep up your style of vaping?

 

[Justadude]

My idea of chain vaping is not quite as extreme as yours. When I hear chain vaping I'm thinking 3 to 5 hits in a minute or two.

I guess my average inhale is 3 to 5 seconds?

It appears that you are trying to purposely run the tank dry? What tank on the market allows you to take a dozen 5 second inhales back to back with out going dry?

What tank have you used that can keep up your style of vaping?

Lol I'm not intentionally trying to run it dry. Maybe I'm over exaggerating with testing it trying to make sure it stays saturated. I should just chill lol

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

As long as your cotton is nice and fluffy before dragging it through your coil(don't compress it) and you can pull it back and forth through the coil reasonably easy you should be good and this will count out the possibility that you've choked the cotton by overfilling the coil.
Also, i wouldn't go compressing your tails and try to get them into the holes while they are wet as that could possibly slow down the wicking, i don't think cotton can open back up like a wet sponge can.
You could possibly use the bottom post holes to mount your coil, this would get you closer to the juice and give you slightly shorter wick tails, might be worth a shot plus you may get better flavour as your coil will be even lower compared to the airslot.
Rayon wick is another option, wicks fast!
Other options you have for the longer pulls are to either raise your coil id or reduce your power but then you compromise flavour.

I bet a 3 strand braid of 32g would work nice! they are super responsive, give tonnes of flavour and are good for longish pulls.

 

[MacTechVpr]

As long as your cotton is nice and fluffy before dragging it through your coil(don't compress it) and you can pull it back and forth through the coil reasonably easy you should be good and this will count out the possibility that you've choked the cotton by overfilling the coil.
Also, i wouldn't go compressing your tails and try to get them into the holes while they are wet as that could possibly slow down the wicking, i don't think cotton can open back up like a wet sponge can.
You could possibly use the bottom post holes to mount your coil, this would get you closer to the juice and give you slightly shorter wick tails, might be worth a shot plus you may get better flavour as your coil will be even lower compared to the airslot.
Rayon wick is another option, wicks fast!
Other options you have for the longer pulls are to either raise your coil id or reduce your power but then you compromise flavour.

I bet a 3 strand braid of 32g would work nice! they are super responsive, give tonnes of flavour and are good for longish pulls.

Right you are slip, over-compression of the media's like putting on the brakes. Can't imagine where the fella who coined "Scottish Roll" didn't realize that opposing the linear grain of something like KGD blocks flow rather than improving it. Something that goes all the way back to sXd's intro of KGD and experiments then on that thread. It will cause the vape to diffuse more tho as the flow runs lean just like a car engine with narrow injectors. And vapor volume is not necessarily more vapor production. But folks do tend towards the optimistic rather than the dozen builds or so. And vapor volume is not necessarily more vapor production. So that's the rubber test — time as the measure of effectiveness. You almost always get a great vape…the first time out when the build's fresh.

Then there are those that'll step up and say raise res and drop power. I kinda like that, contrarian. Test all the angles. But this one's counterintuitive. Why? Because production and flow are all determined by the effective power supplied to the wick. And that points to wetted contact surface relative to power applied.

The other thing I ever hardly see mentioned is Nextel. I know you know, the stuff's like a friggin' fire hose. Fastest wicking material there is. But it needs just the right amount of compression for the power to get it going. Not a good match and the output can seem lackluster but you didn't give it what it needs. When you do, it's explosive. Then…you got the sizzle and pop of running a lean build that's actually carrying a heck of a lot of juice. Juice like the one I'm vaping right now…*22x2 7/6 3.5712 mmØ (RxW, 4mm) = 0.248Ω…but that's another story if folks get interested.

Run twisted lead parallels (as below) which I've described elsewhere when I want fast flow for the highest contact/power ratio (target high or low power). Larger Ø for more flow and fatter wire in these winds for greater diffusion. More or less the strategy. Nextel will rock in any build again given enough power.

Good luck!

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Great post Mac! Proficient as always, just like myself!

Cheers!