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WOW!!!! This is really worth listening to - Parliamentlive.tv
Just realised that I can re-play that! Just seen the relevant section.
Very good to listen to (From approx. 16.40 to 17.43, so not too long to watch/listen, and very informative).
The sad thing is that this was not in parliament itself, but better than nothing ..although one member did sadly state that it was unlikely that government would watch/listen, far less take any notice of what was said!

I do agree with the thoughts in this that the term 'e-cigarette' were undoubtedly the worst term that could have been applied to these items, although no-one in the beginning could have possibly foreseen the reason.
VapingDevice is definitely a less antagonistic name to give them. Perhaps a drive should begin to change the name of such equipment.

Nice to hear the guarded comments that money and BP/BT had an influence!

Interesting to hear that although direct advertising will be banned, there is apparently no restriction on suppliers communicating with their customers! Also, a drive for public information on 'vaping devices' is advised.
Another aspect was that forums and blogs would not be banned either! :)
Both these snippets of info are good to hear!

Whilst I sympathise with the member (Earl Cathcart I believe) who will not be able to continue with his 2.4mg (and others like him), I'm thinking he'll find 2.0mg just as effective seeing he stopped smoking some 2 years ago.

So far, nothing definite about tax specifically, and apart from VAT, most seem to think that sufficient ...something we'll have to wait and see.

It was really good to see what we've long suspected: many members of the house of Lords, and probably the whole of government establishments, use this method to stop smoking.
Incredible though, in light of this, that this legislation has met with any approval at all.
 
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Whilst I sympathise with the member (Earl Cathcart I believe) who will not be able to continue with his 2.4mg (and others like him), I'm thinking he'll find 2.0mg just as effective seeing he stopped smoking some 2 years ago.
He is on 2.4% or 24mg/ml and probably on a 70/30 PG/VG mix as most high nic vapers are.

The main problem is that this legislation was made a few years back, and really needs looking at by those that brought it into being in the EU, now that more information is available, I also agree that we do need some sort of regulation, especially on the testing of juices to ensure that they are fit for purpose and labelled correctly with Nic content, pg/vg mix and ingredients, as for tax we pay VAT on any vaping supplies bought in the EU already, the majority of the Lords are old codgers and brought up in the "smoking was OK era" so not surprised that quite a few have turned over to vaping so as to quit.

Let's hope the "other place" WILL take note...
 
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He is on 2.4% or 24mg/ml and probably on a 70/30 PG/VG mix as most high nic vapers are.
Yes, that's where I began with the small cig size ones - so why would he find the new limit of 2.0mg difficult - or is that wrong?

The main problem is that this legislation was made a few years back, and really needs looking at by those that brought it into being in the EU, now that more information is available, I also agree that we do need some sort of regulation, especially on the testing of juices to ensure that they are fit for purpose and labelled correctly with Nic content, pg/vg mix and ingredients, as for tax we pay VAT on any vaping supplies bought in the EU already, the majority of the Lords are old codgers and brought up in the "smoking was OK era" so not surprised that quite a few have turned over to vaping so as to quit.

Let's hope the "other place" WILL take note...
All of it needs looking at again, and by level headed people who can look at the simple evidence that isn't had to understand.
I welcomed the fact that some control and regulation would be imposed on products for the safety of the public using them - no-one wants a mushrooming industry of questionable quality control and origins.
VAT is a scourge of life ...tax will always be clawed in by whatever means they can think up.

I was actually half surprised that those more 'weathered' smokers had taken them up so well.

I recall that at least two brought up the subject of BP/BT's money being behind a lot of what is happening, and they didn't even try to deny it, just more or less stated that they couldn't say whether or not that was true :rolleyes:

As for the 'other place' - they're too bent on trying to dissuade people from voting 'out' to even consider that many of those are likely doing so partly because of this TPD nonsense!
 

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Yes, that's where I began with the small cig size ones - so why would he find the new limit of 2.0mg difficult - or is that wrong?
24mg/ml down to 20mg/ml shouldn't really be that hard
As for the 'other place' - they're too bent on trying to dissuade people from voting 'out' to even consider that many of those are likely doing so partly because of this TPD nonsense!
I think it is going to be a close call - all the Nationalist people like the EDL etc are going to vote OUT, quite a few vapers that know what is going on may also vote OUT, but the "IN" crowd are using so many scare tactics I'm not sure which way the vote will go - just wish our MEPs would use the blocking rule on more of the silly laws that Brussels comes out with, if we do stay in then the EU really needs handcuffing on what laws they can and cannot bring in, maybe changing the outlines so that the laws only apply for cross EU border sales and not for local sales, and also do away with the corruption within the European Parliament & Council chambers.
 

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24mg/ml down to 20mg/ml shouldn't really be that hard
That's what I though last night ...perhaps he was just making a point, albeit not the most important one :)

I think it is going to be a close call - all the Nationalist people like the EDL etc are going to vote OUT, quite a few vapers that know what is going on may also vote OUT, but the "IN" crowd are using so many scare tactics I'm not sure which way the vote will go - just wish our MEPs would use the blocking rule on more of the silly laws that Brussels comes out with, if we do stay in then the EU really needs handcuffing on what laws they can and cannot bring in, maybe changing the outlines so that the laws only apply for cross EU border sales and not for local sales, and also do away with the corruption within the European Parliament & Council chambers.
It's difficult to judge - if some of history's tyrannical leaders had hordes of voters and followers, then government scare tactics will also net many followers here.

Good or bad, no country should have another making rules and laws for them. I fail to see the need for such control, nor why it has been allowed by what was once a country proud to stand by it's own laws and regulations.
The PM supposedly went to Brussels to gain some advantages, yet came away with nothing - and there's no way of knowing if any future government will be strong enough to stand against all their meddling in our affairs.

We all know the big reason for this TPD, but what an insult from government that although they know that we're well aware of it, they choose to just ignore it - that's when we realise how little regard they have for our opinions on what amounts to a form of corruption at high level.
...not to mention the proven data from our most eminent scientists and physicians which they so insultingly choose to ignore!
 

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Just bought 20 30ml bottles of Liqua Blueberry from FT - the longer I can put off the nonsense and waste of 10ml bottles the better. After all, if cigarettes can't be sold in packets of 10 for fear of encouraging the kiddies, why on earth REDUCE the bottle size for e-liquid? Roll on June 23rd!
 

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Just bought 20 30ml bottles of Liqua Blueberry from FT - the longer I can put off the nonsense and waste of 10ml bottles the better. After all, if cigarettes can't be sold in packets of 10 for fear of encouraging the kiddies, why on earth REDUCE the bottle size for e-liquid? Roll on June 23rd!
Totally agree, I placed an order with Rejuiced last night for 6x120ml differing flavours (4x30ml unicorn bottles)
 

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Just bought 20 30ml bottles of Liqua Blueberry from FT - the longer I can put off the nonsense and waste of 10ml bottles the better. After all, if cigarettes can't be sold in packets of 10 for fear of encouraging the kiddies, why on earth REDUCE the bottle size for e-liquid? Roll on June 23rd!
Nice!
Don't know if they're in plastic or glass, but I'm reading on NT that their glass bottles, if unopened are lasting a very long time due to no oxidisation.

I was about to get rid of some of my various higher nicotine bottles, but think I'll keep them in a cool dark place and add fresh zero to them at a later date!
 
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I got mail:

Chefs:
250ml nicotine
100ml .3mg VG nicotine base
A total of 190ml flavours for making MCV
1 10ml bottle Cherry Bakewell concentrate.

Katz:
2xSigelei mini's (thanks for the tip George!)
4x18650 batteries.


....and a nice Chinese vase for a painting prop! ;) :laugh:
 

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I've been waiting for a UK stockist of this for about 6 months

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In stock at Provapes. Killer Kustard
So i've ordered 30 ml,if it's as good as reported,they also have 120ml bottles.
 

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I've been waiting for a UK stockist of this for about 6 months

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In stock at Provapes. Killer Kustard
So i've ordered 30 ml,if it's as good as reported,they also have 120ml bottles.
I notice they do not provide an address or telephone number on their website :(
If that info is not in the receipt of order email then they are breaking the Consumer Contracts Law
 

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I notice they do not provide an address or telephone number on their website :(
If that info is not in the receipt of order email then they are breaking the Consumer Contracts Law
Always concerns me if there's no address/phone number.

The nearest to a street address:
Registrant type:
UK Limited Company, (Company number: 7407280)

Registrant's address:
PO Box 795
Godalming
Surrey
GU7 9GA
United Kingdom
 

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