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@Larry J reading an industry article I came to the conclusion that this ingredient might ultimately be controlled. Just spent a half-hour looking for it in my research. But I have been looking out for notices thinking it might be pulled by vendors. I couldn't find any on the TFA or Wizard Labs sites.
I do find these…
Perfumers Apprentice - M Type Premium Flavor
Perfumers Apprentice - Tabanon
M Type Premium Tobacco Flavor Concentrate by TFA (0.27oz)
It's a component I've had difficulty mastering but do have an interest in. It's quite imposing and lingering in its effects. Do you have a link to the notice you mention? The formula for tabanon dilution for flavoring?
Care to share a working recipe or comment on best complementary tobaccos?
Thx for your post. G'luck.
Here is the link, but you can only access it if you have privileges to the "Bulk Sizes" section of the TFA site:
Perfumers Apprentice - M Type Premium Flavor
If you can't access it, here is what it says:
M Type Premium Flavor
Water soluble.
We are discontinuing this flavor: here is the formula
to make just over 1 gallon, mix together:
Bitter Nut Extra Flavor- 1 gallon
Tabanon - 45 grams (one 1oz bottle plus 1 15ml bottle)
Doing the math, the formula for the flavoring mix itself works out to 99% Bitter Nut Extra and 1% Tabanon (which is available in the Aroma Molecules section of The Perfumer's Apprentice section. Cost is very high ($34 for 15ml!) but at only 1% it goes a LONG way. Considering the strong odor of the M-Type flavoring, I can only imagine how strong this molecule must smell. I've just received today my order of 8 oz. of the M-Type flavoring. That, along with the 2 oz. I still have in my stash, will last me awhile so I won;t be mixing my own flavoring for a while yet. When I do I'll certainly be glad to post the results here. FYI, I use the M-Type flavoring at 9% when I mix my juice. It should all turn out to be an interesting experiment. I'll have to wait and see if whether I decide to try the tabanon in any other tobacco recipes.
I've had a small vial of M Type in my box of flavorings for a couple years. If my memory serves me correct, I think I used it in a Mad Murdock Agent Orange clone attempt.
Can someone describe the flavor as a standalone? Also, does it require a steep?
Can someone describe the flavor as a standalone? Also, does it require a steep?
Dunno, if memory serves me correctly it's akin to fresh-sprayed skunk. Remember working my way down trying to mix an ejuice I could enjoy with M-Type. Not sure if good or bad news but remember that at 0.25% I could no longer detect. Most likely good news for me.
That is potent stuff; right up there with FA's Bread Crust. No offense to those who enjoy.Lol. Yeal, I think the post from Larry J was the first I've seen that likes it. (Like you, no offense to those who enjoy.) I use and like TFA Dk Tobacco and Turkish at .5 to 1 percent and mixed with other tobaccos but at 2 to 3 percent they develop a perfumey/mediciney something or another that I don't care for.Dunno, if memory serves me correctly it's akin to fresh-sprayed skunk. Remember working my way down trying to mix an ejuice I could enjoy with M-Type. Not sure if good or bad news but remember that at 0.25% I could no longer detect. Most likely good news for me.
My attempt at the pb recipe using what I have.
TFA AP 3%
Hangsen Caramel 2%
SC Hazelnut 1%
Hangsen Italian Cream 1%
TFA Brown Sugar Extra 0.75%
Hangsen Coconut 0.75%
This tastes really good. Not totally accurate of course, but definitely in the same camp with a creamy peanut butter. It would maybe be more accurate if I at least had the Hazel Grove but this is very usable for me as is and at least I've found a use for my SC Hazelnut.
Sounds pretty close, but I've never used SC Hazelnut. Is it a roasted or raw hazelnut flavor? If it's not roasted, it's probably pretty close to FA Hazel Grove and you're good to go.My attempt at the pb recipe using what I have.
TFA AP 3%
Hangsen Caramel 2%
SC Hazelnut 1%
Hangsen Italian Cream 1%
TFA Brown Sugar Extra 0.75%
Hangsen Coconut 0.75%
This tastes really good. Not totally accurate of course, but definitely in the same camp with a creamy peanut butter. It would maybe be more accurate if I at least had the Hazel Grove but this is very usable for me as is and at least I've found a use for my SC Hazelnut.
Definitely not roasted and, like you with Hazel Grove, I'm not overly fond of it on it's own. It's black in color and also a bit of a coil gunker as well, so also good that 1% is all that's needed. I'm thinking it must be pretty close to Hazel Grove because it is working good enough that I'm pretty happy with this recipe.
On another note, the Hangsen Italian Cream should be labeled Carnation instead of Italian, imo. I'm guessing some of the 'bad' stuff though for anyone concerned about that.
Sounds pretty close to FA. Just a note for you, FA Hazel Grove is clear and doesn't gunk your coils at all. I have been eying the Italian Cream because I love everything Hangsen so far but the "Italian" made me pause. If it's a fresh type cream then I'm all over it. Thanks
Thanks for that. I'll probably switch to it once the SC is gone.
On the Italian Cream, I've read some reviews that claim a creamy cheese but I don't get that at all. If you read the first review at BC site, they call it a heavy cream and I'm in complete agreement with that. I should also add that I've only used it in small amounts but I always get that I've added cream and not overly sweet as what I think of as an Italian cream.
Yes I have tried their Spirit and NS Dark. Both very good - especially NS if you like a touch of Perique in your vape.
I just looked also. They have both the finished eliquid and the extracts. The double pack seems like a good deal. Cheaper than Halo reg eliquid.
Hey guys, looking to get into DIY juice at the last minute. I have been vaping Heather's Heavenly Tobacco ONLY for about two years... so I'm looking for a really tasty RY4. I'll scroll through 155 pages if I have to but hopefully someone can help out.
I think I've finally stumbled upon my first original juice that makes me go 
I can't promise this won't have some slight revisions but, I'm nearly certain it's 90% of the way there.
"Odyssey"
2% INW Dark for Pipe
1% FA Jamaican Rum
1% INW Shisha Vanilla
.5% FA Tiramisu
.5% FA Butterscotch
1 drop EM per 10ml
I've tested this less the butterscotch for the past 2 weeks. Once it hit the 2 week mark, more or less fully steeped I presume, it was absolutely amazing. Everything blended very nicely while leaving the tobacco very much so at the forefront. Rum was the second strongest note, with vanilla just accenting everything and the tiramisu, while not directly noticeable, adding depth and "darkness" to the mix. In terms of room note, my partner likened it somewhat to Wakonda, which I found sort of odd - I guess the coffee comes across more in smell than taste. Either way, I loved that feedback.
I just mixed up another batch with the addition of butterscotch. I think it may be the final piece to the puzzle. Will further smooth out the ashiness of the dark pipe, while accenting the rum quite nicely. Sampling it fresh and it's absolutely delicious, but time will tell.
I may need to make very slight percentage adjustments here or there but, I think all the flavorings have found their home in this mix. And indeed it may be the final product.
Anyone who wants to try this, please do and give me feedback on what you think of it and what could be done better.
I can't promise this won't have some slight revisions but, I'm nearly certain it's 90% of the way there.
"Odyssey"
2% INW Dark for Pipe
1% FA Jamaican Rum
1% INW Shisha Vanilla
.5% FA Tiramisu
.5% FA Butterscotch
1 drop EM per 10ml
I've tested this less the butterscotch for the past 2 weeks. Once it hit the 2 week mark, more or less fully steeped I presume, it was absolutely amazing. Everything blended very nicely while leaving the tobacco very much so at the forefront. Rum was the second strongest note, with vanilla just accenting everything and the tiramisu, while not directly noticeable, adding depth and "darkness" to the mix. In terms of room note, my partner likened it somewhat to Wakonda, which I found sort of odd - I guess the coffee comes across more in smell than taste. Either way, I loved that feedback.
I just mixed up another batch with the addition of butterscotch. I think it may be the final piece to the puzzle. Will further smooth out the ashiness of the dark pipe, while accenting the rum quite nicely. Sampling it fresh and it's absolutely delicious, but time will tell.
I may need to make very slight percentage adjustments here or there but, I think all the flavorings have found their home in this mix. And indeed it may be the final product.
Anyone who wants to try this, please do and give me feedback on what you think of it and what could be done better.
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