FDA approved e-cig?

[ISAWHIM]

I think that is my twin, from another state, another mother, another father, another life-time, and possibly another planet...

Or it could just be a complete stranger.

I believe the issue with "RUYAN Co.", is the fact that they use a "Synthetic Nicotine", not a natural nicotine. This is what I am reading, and hearing, as the issue when they keep saying "New drug". (Synthetic nicotine is NOT nicotine. It is a new drug, just as nutra-sweet is NOT sugar, as it is synthetic sugar.)

Comprehensive Safety Tests Published on Ruyan(R) Smoking Al... ( Tests Conducted in New Zealand and ...)

ScienceDirect - Tetrahedron : Recent advances in the synthesis of nicotine and its derivatives

Ruyan Asserts Patent Rights to E-cigarette in Key China Court Ruling | Reuters

Honoring the Inventor: The E-Cigarette

Here is "R. J. Reynolds tobacco Company" patent... Amazingly, it sounds like a flop. Using tobacco sticks, and phantom sensors that don't exist. That is like having a patent for a car running off nuclear power, before nuclear power was invented. Another RJ-flop from the producers of the number 1 killer... Making killing devices for the future. Are they funded by other countries?

LOL... too slow.. 2004 patent is owned by Ryuan! And his actually works... (But it requires his synthetic nicotine juice.) The plot thickens!
Tobacco-Containing Smoking Article - Patent Application 20080092912

Sorry, just had to throw-in some of the other junk I plucked from my list of info.

 

[yvilla]

I believe the issue with "RUYAN Co.", is the fact that they use a "Synthetic Nicotine", not a natural nicotine. This is what I am reading, and hearing, as the issue when they keep saying "New drug".

Isa, I've seen this posted a few times, but I'm wondering where it is coming from. Do you have something you could point me to? I ask because I have looked, and have never found any confirmation that Ruyan uses synthetic nicotine. I'm beginning to think it is no more than myth.

 

[katink]

Even if Ruyan was using synthetic nicotine (though I haven't found any confirmation of that myself as yet) - more then 90% of all e-liquid most certainly does not seem to be synthetic. DeKang and Boge Technology deliver that amount - more then 90% of all e-liquid.

Perhaps reading these links might help make some things clear, I hope so:

Translated version of http://www.yndekang.com/English/About_Us.html

Translated version of http://ecis.win.mofcom.gov.cn/index.asp

 

[Kamanjah]

Back to the original post - FDA Approval is only in the page title, not in product description, which says "CE, RoHS, FCC & MSDS are approved." Looks to me like the FDA mention is there for search purposes. Hope Smoore didn't confuse FDA and FCC!

 

[clear_blue27]

That is why many supplement/vitamin companies are not F D A approved, it would cost way to much!

and they're not getting hassled for it? lol. doesn't make sense.

 

[TheIllustratedMan]

and they're not getting hassled for it? lol. doesn't make sense.

Here are some links that may help.

Overview of Dietary Supplements
Claims That Can Be Made for Conventional Foods and Dietary Supplements

It's a very complex subject. The way I understand it is that any vitamin, herb, mineral, biological tissue, glandular extract, etc that is not considered a drug or a food is considered a dietary ingredient. If there is some perceived health benefit to ingesting that ingredient, it may be marketed as a dietary supplement, with restrictions regarding such a product. Any health claims made must be disclaimed with a statement saying that the FDA has not evaluated said claims and that the product is not intended to diagnose, treat, prevent, or cure any specific disease.

An example would be fish oil: the intended use is to promote heart health (not evaluated by the FDA). If you were to claim that it prevents Coronary Heart Disease, that would be an intent to prevent a specific disease, which would make it a drug, and you would have to back that claim up with evidence reviewed by the FDA.

For our purposes, according to the FDA addiction is a disease. The intent of using nicotine liquid is to treat that disease. Therefore, nicotine liquid is a drug used to treat a specific disease (nicotine addiction) and must be evaluated for that use and regulated appropriately.

Any or all of this could be wrong, anyone care to throw in?

 

[JustMeAgain]

An example would be fish oil: the intended use is to promote heart health (not evaluated by the FDA). If you were to claim that it prevents Coronary Heart Disease, that would be an intent to prevent a specific disease, which would make it a drug, and you would have to back that claim up with evidence reviewed by the FDA.

I'm not sure how it all works, either, but I do know that energy drinks avoid FDA regulation because they add vitamins to them, making them a "health supplement". Yet, there have been deaths attributed to the high caffeine levels. hmmm...is caffeine not addicting?

I did see where some ecig companies are adding vitamins to their liquids (I think SE was one, but there were others as well) and I'm guessing they're hoping to fall under that same status.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

It's a very complex subject. The way I understand it is that any vitamin, herb, mineral, biological tissue, glandular extract, etc that is not considered a drug or a food is considered a dietary ingredient. If there is some perceived health benefit to ingesting that ingredient, it may be marketed as a dietary supplement, with restrictions regarding such a product. Any health claims made must be disclaimed with a statement saying that the FDA has not evaluated said claims and that the product is not intended to diagnose, treat, prevent, or cure any specific disease.

Hey! Something to keep in your head for me when you are sifting through stuff... and maybe you have found it... including a vitamin into an inhalation product, does this automatically mean it needs FDA approval?

I heard this in passing once, went to figure it out, and could not find proof that such a statement was in fact true. However, with the multitude of verbage to sift through, I could have missed it.

And... since there are no other products even remotely like this one, it is hard to make a good comparison with the millions of products on the market.

 

[TheIllustratedMan]

Off the top of my head, I'm not aware of any inhaler that contains a vitamin. Closest would be something like Zicam, which contains Zinc (a mineral). Of course, we all know what happened with that...


I'll keep an eye out though.

 

[pbcups51]

I am currently waiting for the FDA in New Orleans to decide whether or not I can get my shipment from my supplier of e-liquid. They conficated it over 2 weeks ago. Ironically, the large order of 30ml bottles does not have nicotine in any of the bottles. They conficated it because my label reads, "The contents of this container may contain some or all of the following ingredients............." One of those ingredients is nicotine. However, as I mentioned earlier there is no nicotine in any of these 30ml bottles. I keep calling the NO FDA office but they are still "reviewing" the situation. Does anyone have any suggestions?

 

[Nova One]

Reorder from your supplier but this time have them remove the labels.