FDA Ban on e-Cigs and how it will affect you

[Surf Monkey]

LOL. Exactly.

But the main thing I expect them to do is make the whole thing disposable, ruining one of the best things about the current crop of vaporizers.

 

[fcuk112]

sorry if this is off-topic. but with the recent ban of 36mg liquid, is it possible that the ban in HK will be reversed?

cheers.

 

[Bones]

Hey, if they can pull it off and make a good quality e-cig and keep it reasonably priced as e-cigs currently are, then I'm all for it. It would be good to see something actually made in America for a change. Hell, we don't even make our own FLAGS anymore. But if they make it as expensive as the real things, then it would be a moot point to use them because one of the big driving factors to e-cig sales is that it's a LOT cheaper than smoking analogs. We may as well keep buying from China if this be the case.

Yea - Maybe once I get all settled in I will see this LOT CHEAPER that everyone is talking about - In the meantime I seem to be spending more on the devices/extra parts/juice - And I am becoming really frustrated with the quality - I would say that they are intentionally making them shoddy so that you have to treat them as consumables and keep buying parts - But then Janty's warranty dispels that theory. To be fair I am comparing the pricing to RYO which is what I did for analogs - Still - I really do not see any savings yet - - In 3 weeks I have had to replace 1 battery(right out of the box) and 1 manual switch (after 1 hour of use) on my KBC and now I am having the switch trouble with my Stick (defective atty right out of the box on stick too) - All under Janty warranty - But still - This is a bit ridiculous - No other gadgets I have ever owned had this high of a failure rate - $2-$4 shipping each time

 

[Surf Monkey]

I tend to agree with that to an extent. I'm looking at the ramp up cost of everything I've purchased so far and it's pretty steep. The gear does seem to have a pretty short life span, but assuming it all lasts as long as I've been experiencing so far, in the long run it's looking to cost about half as much as traditional smoking. Remains to be seen though. Just a couple of bad batteries or atomizers and the ratio starts to slip.

 

[gjrhine]

What if it cost the same? Or twice as much? What price do you put on better health?

 

[Surf Monkey]

What if it cost the same? Or twice as much? What price do you put on better health?

Agreed. But there are a LOT of people here who will challenge you on that. Many people claim the only reason they're doing e-cigarettes is the lower cost and the fact that their money isn't going to big tobacco. They claim that traditional cigarettes aren't a health risk.

 

[gjrhine]

I would substitute "Many" with "A few".

 

[shogun12]

Right on Big JimW!, Everything you say is the stuff I've been thinking for quite a while but didn't put into words. I just wish this industry had the time to be left alone long enough for them to refine the technology. Ecigs are now in about the same stage as 8 track tapes or top loading VHS players. That's why the failure rate is so high - and the prices, too. Electronics always go down in price and the reliability goes up as the technology gets better and more popular.

Please get over voicing your ploitical opinions, though. It really can turn some people off. I, and several vapers I know, are diehard liberals (damn near socialists) and proud of it. Has nothing to do with the ecig discussion - we all hate poor regulation.

 

[midian]

Like on other threads, Surf Monkey and I are basically on the same page. For sure I believe that big-tobacco is seriously trying to figure out how they can cash-in on the whole electronic cigarette market. If they were smart, that would be their next move; considering that the last bill that was rubber-stamped by our politicians didn’t have any dialog specifically banning eCigs.

For anyone that start’s talking about how eCigs are targeting children, or just another product to get someone addicted to ‘something else’, I roll my eyes and say this silly joke, “How many anti-smokers does it take to change a light-bulb?” Of course I get blank stares…and I reply with a gasp, “CHANGE?!...”

For now I’m stocking up; but I refuse to buy due to impulse or under the pretence of a ‘ban’ going on. As stated before, that would only feed into the same kind of ignorance as the firearms ammunition depletion. *rolling my eyes*

 

[Surf Monkey]

I would substitute "Many" with "A few".

Well, based on the conflicts I've had on this board over that exact issue, I disagree. There are more people here who deny the risk of traditional smoking than you might imagine.

 

[umanbean]

Hey, if they can pull it off and make a good quality e-cig and keep it reasonably priced as e-cigs currently are, then I'm all for it. It would be good to see something actually made in America for a change. Hell, we don't even make our own FLAGS anymore. ~snip~

...and where are those flags made?... China?

If "Big Tobacco" did want a piece of the ecig pie, and so designed and started selling models of their own, does anyone realistically think they'd actually ~make~ them here in America. No!!!

They'd outsource them to.... China! Then just put their branding on them. Cheaper labor, cheaper mfg. costs, more profit.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Great point. The only thing they'd make here is the nicotine (grown in tobacco from their thousands and thousands of acres of fields.) The hardware would come from China or Vietnam or Malaysia. No question about it.

 

[Bones]

What if it cost the same? Or twice as much? What price do you put on better health?

Oh I totally agree - It is worth the price for better health which I DEFINITELY notice already - I just don't think it is a good idea to tell your friends that they will save money with it or to use savings as a selling point - Still times are hard and money is tight - So it is a factor. I'd rather give my money to Janty than to TAXES though!

 

[TheIllustratedMan]

Great point. The only thing they'd make here is the nicotine (grown in tobacco from their thousands and thousands of acres of fields.) The hardware would come from China or Vietnam or Malaysia. No question about it.

You mean that the only thing that they would make in the US is the tobacco. They'd then ship that overseas, have five-year-old Cambodian kids stomp on it like grapes for wine (rotting their feet away in the process), combine the result with propylene glycol, water, flavor, and a thousand other chemicals, then ship it back to the US where you pay $50 per 15ml. Plus the $10 co-pay ($100+ if no insurance) to get the script. With no refills.


...I just got an email from Obama wanting to fix healthcare in this country. Can I hope that he will?

 

[killdozerd11]

If the Tobacco companies put one out and it is legal, then that means it is legal for us to order ones from China at lower prices. They cannot own a monopoly on it, so it's a catch 22 for them. If they make the juice a prescription, that's a different story....

You can get ALMOST anything approved by the FDA if you grease enough palms and pervert enough facts from so called experts that you pay to arrive at your conclusions. Then donate enough money to a few slush (i mean campaign funds) 8-o
And there you have irrevertable proof that you product is good to go