Hey Dr.FBoyde.. I did the survey but I could not find the whole one I only found the quick one.. and you couldent put your name on it.. I really hope this does not get banned I have never felt this good in 5 years I really wish THAT all these A hole polotitians and big tobbacco pharm will just GET OVER IT!!!
Fda crackdown looms
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Here's the survey link. It's not a long one and doesn't ask for identifying information.
FDA - Electronic Cigarette - Data Survey
FDA - Electronic Cigarette - Data Survey
Yes, only took a minute to fill out. I really hope it helps. This FDA ban has me worried - I do not want to go back to analogs!
I agree completely Sun. I deal with customs almost daily and they follow whatever mandate is handed to them. In the 1930s, when creating a law against marijuana was going to take too long, the government simply taxed it and said no one could own or distribute it without a "MariJuana Tax Stamp" They then conveniently just didn't issue one. (No, I am not advocating pot or making a direct comparison to PVs)
Blocking things at the border has long been an easy way for the government to put in place fast stopgaps while they figure out how they will legislatively outlaw them for good.
Moderators, shouldn't the survey link be placed prominently in a thread of its own, with another call to action/stickied?
I just tried to take the survey but it says that it is closed, I will try later.
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Yeah... wish I could have taken the survey. All closed up though.
My best,
-VP
My best,
-VP
So is the FDA coming to a conclusion tommorow then? I think I missed out on something.
The FDA has already come to it's conclusion, as per their spokeswoman, Rita Chappelle. E-cigs as a nicotine delivery system are, in their opinion, illegal. Tomorrow is the Senate vote on the FDA tobacco bill where, in lieu of an act of God, it most probably will pass and then immediately be signed into law by President Obama. Then the FDA will assume it's right to make the sale of e-cig's illegal. Of course how long they'll be illegal is anybody's guess, but eventually, since they aren't exclusively a nicotine delivery system (you can smoke toe fungus in them if you want) they'll be as available as the common ...., without the nicotine of course. Now nicotine is a different matter. How soon we'll regain the right to purchase that, is an even harder guess. In any case, it isn't going to be cheap and it might come with more restrictions than we care to imagine.
As to the question of whether these are illegal or not: Electronic Cigarette Myths and Facts | Electronic Cigarette Association
Also, it is my understanding that the Senate vote is not tomorrow, the only thing on the Senate floor that is scheduled is 10:00 a.m.: Convene and resume consideration of S.896, the Helping Familes Save Their Homes Act. U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Calendars & Schedules
If you are interested in an estimation of what is occurring, post #5 http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/law-e-cigarette/15284-help-me-understand-ban-2.html
badkat, bad info.
There is a supposed FDA ban to be announced tomorrow which may or may not happen (hence all the buzz on this forum) but I know of no decision being made until later this year.
Thanks guys,
I did get it into my head that it was going to happen tomorrow. Thanks for the link to the Senate calendar, LaceyUnderall, where I see nothing pending for HR 1256 .. yet.
Btw, you might find this comment interesting from the Congressional Budget Office Director's Blog regarding the costs of HR 1256:
"CBO anticipates that FDAs regulation of tobacco products would lead to a decline in smoking among pregnant women, which would slightly decrease federal spending for Medicaid. A decline in smoking could affect health care spending for many other medical conditions, and CBO continues to examine the impact of smoking-related legislation on public and private payers. Counterintuitively, a reduction in smoking might add to the governments costs in many cases by enabling some people to live longer and to incur health care costs over longer periods. In those cases, government spending for Social Security, Medicare, and other retirement and mandatory spending programs, would increase." -sorry, can't post a url yet
So, it IS about the money
I did get it into my head that it was going to happen tomorrow. Thanks for the link to the Senate calendar, LaceyUnderall, where I see nothing pending for HR 1256 .. yet.
Btw, you might find this comment interesting from the Congressional Budget Office Director's Blog regarding the costs of HR 1256:
"CBO anticipates that FDAs regulation of tobacco products would lead to a decline in smoking among pregnant women, which would slightly decrease federal spending for Medicaid. A decline in smoking could affect health care spending for many other medical conditions, and CBO continues to examine the impact of smoking-related legislation on public and private payers. Counterintuitively, a reduction in smoking might add to the governments costs in many cases by enabling some people to live longer and to incur health care costs over longer periods. In those cases, government spending for Social Security, Medicare, and other retirement and mandatory spending programs, would increase." -sorry, can't post a url yet
So, it IS about the money
Hello all. I am a former smoker. I quit in 2003. Before that I quit in, hum, 1995 and before that in 1992. In 2003 it stuck, but the truth is that I really, really enjoyed smoking and every few months will indulge in a cigarette. My line seems to be mooching off of someone else versus buying a pack.
Anyway, like I said, I loved smoking. I've seriously considered the e-cigarette as an option to have it both ways, but I have been concerned that the FDA would claim this as a drug delivery device. (That is what the FDA claimed about cigarettes years ago, but if failed.) Consequently, I have been holding off until there was a better idea of how this would go. I would hate to get used to e-cigarettes only to learn a few weeks, months or years later that the FDA was taking it away.
Anyway, I'm here in spirit. All I can say is that the FDA has essentially no legal claim over the atomizers or nicotine free inhalers. A better case on the nicotine, but there may be an argument to be had that the inhaler can be used for non-drug purposes (thus, not solely a delivery device), and the nicotine can be purchased separately. It's up to the consumer to put the two together. So separate marketing might do it.
Anyway, like I said, I loved smoking. I've seriously considered the e-cigarette as an option to have it both ways, but I have been concerned that the FDA would claim this as a drug delivery device. (That is what the FDA claimed about cigarettes years ago, but if failed.) Consequently, I have been holding off until there was a better idea of how this would go. I would hate to get used to e-cigarettes only to learn a few weeks, months or years later that the FDA was taking it away.
Anyway, I'm here in spirit. All I can say is that the FDA has essentially no legal claim over the atomizers or nicotine free inhalers. A better case on the nicotine, but there may be an argument to be had that the inhaler can be used for non-drug purposes (thus, not solely a delivery device), and the nicotine can be purchased separately. It's up to the consumer to put the two together. So separate marketing might do it.
It seems pretty obvious to me that e-juice will be either controlled or banned. That doesn't mean, however, that it will be unavailable or very expensive. People order all sorts of illegal substances over the net. E-juice will be gray area and it will still be possible to get.
I don't see the point in stockpiling. With a demand, there will always be a supply.
I don't see the point in stockpiling. With a demand, there will always be a supply.
So, it IS about the money
I refer to the money aspect as a shill game between the Triad of Power...
1) Tobacco Companies pay via the Master Settlement to State goverment (billions a year),
2) Government collects the taxes on tobacco avg $3.86 per pack (billions)
3) Pharmaceutical companies make billions from cessation products that are paid for by the Master Settlement
The money just gets moved around. I wish I could figure a way to become the 4th player!
Thanks guys,
I did get it into my head that it was going to happen tomorrow. Thanks for the link to the Senate calendar, LaceyUnderall, where I see nothing pending for HR 1256 .. yet.
Btw, you might find this comment interesting from the Congressional Budget Office Director's Blog regarding the costs of HR 1256:
"CBO anticipates that FDAs regulation of tobacco products would lead to a decline in smoking among pregnant women, which would slightly decrease federal spending for Medicaid. A decline in smoking could affect health care spending for many other medical conditions, and CBO continues to examine the impact of smoking-related legislation on public and private payers. Counterintuitively, a reduction in smoking might add to the governments costs in many cases by enabling some people to live longer and to incur health care costs over longer periods. In those cases, government spending for Social Security, Medicare, and other retirement and mandatory spending programs, would increase." -sorry, can't post a url yet
So, it IS about the money
Isn't this the conundrum we have here? On one hand, we could make people healthier but on the other hand they will live longer. What to do?
Good find though... If you want, you can post the url... leaving out the www. and putting a space after the . before the com and I will repost it for you... that's an interesting find. Thanks!
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