I really hope that the outcome of this will shed new light on the FDA to the government and the public. This agency allows medications that cause severe side effects resulting in deaths and murders, but wants to fight, to the bitter end, to get electronic cigarettes controlled by drug companies. I don't know how their motivation could be any more clear. There is obviously corruption from drug companies, and the FDA simply needs to be reorganized. Off with all their heads, and bring in new blood.
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All of these issues can be resolved by expanding their role into tobacco products and our food supply with an eye towards water and air, all to finally save our children. A handful of legions ofagents and trillions of dollars should do it. Would you please pass me a bottle of that FDA approved air? Thanks
Well you know what Barney Frank says. Whatever wealth individuals might accumulate in their lifetime should be subject to huge inheritance taxes. The wealth should not be permitted to pass to their children and grandchildren because they didn't work and sweat to earn it.
Also heard today:
Do you know when socialism comes to an end? When they run out of other people's money.
OT, of course. That's an interesting concept and one I thought about when I saw the special on Buffet/Gates et al contributing their wealth to charity and the re-institution of the death tax eventually. Now the truly rich don't need to worry about such issues. They have the current fortune that affords them the opportunity to set up those they love while living so the rest can be legislated however.
For those that have a few million invested in perhaps a farm, business or retirement assets to enable them to live comfortably while alive would be hard pressed to protect accumulated assets against future, legislated government grabs after death. There is not enough there to distribute while alive and if you can't you're at the mercy of the government when you die. The only other alternative is to release control of accumulated assets and hope that the benefactors will insure you remain comfortable.
The beauty of the class system.
Many in America (Land of the Free and home of the Brave)
long since figured out the key to survival is keeping a Low Profile
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Bill of Rights
OR
Bill of "Temporary" privileges
Rights are not rights if people can take them away from you
Every year the "List" gets shorter and shorter
Sooner or later the public will wake up and realize the government doesn't care about them.
Its only interested in its own power and expanding it where ever possible.
PS: Politicians are there to give you the impression you have choices
George Carlin
OR
Bill of "Temporary" privileges
Rights are not rights if people can take them away from you
Every year the "List" gets shorter and shorter
Sooner or later the public will wake up and realize the government doesn't care about them.
Its only interested in its own power and expanding it where ever possible.
PS: Politicians are there to give you the impression you have choices
George Carlin
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As for exactly who the 'truly rich' are, I thought all you conservatives took the 'it's relative' position on that. 'Middle class' was once considered to be around $50K-$150K annual income. Now it's up to $250K and climbing. Once the trickle-down philosophy exacerbates and filters its way up to affect the millionaires (but not yet the billionaires), now all of a sudden we have a new category 'the truly rich'. Who exactly is perpetuating class warfare here?
I love that term 'the Death tax' which was once just called 'the Estate tax', but conservatives understood that the term 'Estate tax' didn't make the tea-party hamsters hit the pedal. Karl Rove and his like understand the psychological value of a word or a picture, like the phrase 'family values' (that one always makes the hamsters hit the pedal), or a picture of George Bush in a flight suit on an aircraft carrier announcing 'Mission Accomplished'. So they changed the 'Estate tax' to the 'Death tax' -- "Death: that could happen to me. I'm not hitting the pedal on that one".
People have to understand that what the FDA can get away with nowadays isn't the result of some kind of 'Socialism' run amok, but rather Crony Capitalism run amok. The result of no checks and balances on a system that allows "regulators" and the people they are supposed to be regulating to be scratching each others' backs and feeding from the same ill-gotten coffers.
Maybe if we focused a little more on the case at hand (FDA vs. e-cigs) and less of using the issue to justify our own larger-picture political views on things, the more we could get done.
I'm reminded of the courtroom passage from A Few Good Men, just replace Demi Moore with Margaret Hamburg ...
Just give it up you lame cow. You are beat, admit it and move on to things that actually do need closer inspection
Just give it up you lame cow. You are beat, admit it and move on to things that actually do need closer inspection
Vocalek I have the utmost respect for you and you do great things for this community, but I totally disagree with this remark.
I stand to inherit a bunch of money that my father WORKED AND SWEATED for, and just because I didn't work for it doesn't mean it shouldn't pass to me. Lots of people work HARD their entire lives and EARN money so that their kids can have something when they pass away. To say they should be cut off because they didn't "earn it" is harsh, considering alot of times they work really hard their ENTIRE lives to make it possible. Such remarks truly let jealousy shine through. Not everyone is rich, but not everyone is poor, either.
Like I said, I respect most of what you say nearly always, but you're WRONG today.
hey, at the very least, the FDA's efforts have caused more people to become educated in e-cigs, and possibly have caused some to make the switch.
I can't help to wonder if their efforts are actually HELPING our cause, especially now that the judicial system has shut them down. Twice.
I can't help to wonder if their efforts are actually HELPING our cause, especially now that the judicial system has shut them down. Twice.
Middle Class can vary by geographical location. In the 70's our income was around $10-12K - felt like middle class, bought new cars for $2000. Today we just add a zero ($100-120K) and cars are $20,000+ - feels a bit less than middle class. but middle class is NO WHERE NEAR $250K.
but middle class is NO WHERE NEAR $250K.
Vocalek didn't say it. Barney Frank did. Read the first line of her post again.
Boils down to...they're ...... that they can't make any money off of it. Greed destroys everything and our government agencies seem to be the best at it. If they can't make money on it, then take it away (so they think). I would love to see a few judges throw the book at them for wasting more of OUR money.
Vocalek I have the utmost respect for you and you do great things for this community, but I totally disagree with this remark.
I stand to inherit a bunch of money that my father WORKED AND SWEATED for, and just because I didn't work for it doesn't mean it shouldn't pass to me. Lots of people work HARD their entire lives and EARN money so that their kids can have something when they pass away. To say they should be cut off because they didn't "earn it" is harsh, considering alot of times they work really hard their ENTIRE lives to make it possible. Such remarks truly let jealousy shine through. Not everyone is rich, but not everyone is poor, either.
Like I said, I respect most of what you say nearly always, but you're WRONG today.
Might wanna re-read what she didn't say.
Wow, I guess my sense of irony is sometimes too subtle! I should have added something to make it more obvious that I thought Barney Frank's argument held as much weight as the vapor from my eGo. Something like "As if the government can claim that it worked and sweated to earn it."
You know, I may be paranoid but that thought has crossed my mind. I don't underestimate the dangerousness of people with power whose cash flow (and power) is being threatened. Not just for Elaine, but anyone who speaks out.
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