FDA Investigating E-cigs
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I'm going on a trip soon and must say I'm a little nervous about going through security checks at customs. I can see how it goes now.
*Customs officer searching through bag* What's this bottle of liquid?
- It's to re-fill my e-cig
Your what?
- *taking e-cig from pocket* my e-cig.
What does it do - show me.
- *pointing at device* you put liquid in here, there's a heating coil here and a battery here - then you puff on it and the atomizer vapourizes the liquid ... let me show you....
BANG BANG BANG BANG!!!
rofl xD be sure to mumble the word "combust" somewhere in there.
In regards to the FDA, my guess is it wont be outlawed, but will be monitored, regulated, and taxed. The FDA can declare it a medical product (to help quit smoking of course), which brings it under their control, so THEY get to pick who is allowed to sell it (probably the pharm companies that slide them the most cash), and by requiring approval to sell it, selling home-made stuff out of your house would be illegal (If you think we can convince the public to leave us alone, just think how influential one guy in a lab coat and glasses being interviewed on Fox News saying "These home-made products are made in dangerously high concentrations, not like the pre-measured and pre-packaged doses of _insert lame name like "Johnson and Johnson's Nico-Carts"_ and lack any quality control standards, our tests have found traces of cyanide in many of these home-brew products and at least 3 children have died from drinking these bottles of concentrated nicotine, which have no warning labels, safety caps, etc.) This would allow yet another artificially-inflated market like nicotine gum, which puts money in the FDA's pockets as well as in the pharmaceutical industry's. Think about how much a pack of nicotine gum is, and how cheaply it can be produced (a 10ml bottle of 36mg/ml eliquid was $10, that is equal to 90 pieces of 4mg <highest strength> gum, plus $5 <retail price of 5 packs {100 pieces} of regular gum> = $15, yet nicorette is $40-$50 for this much). Grr... my rants are useless.
One last theoretical news report: "Today the DEA seized over $2 million dollars worth of cash and product in a raid on the mexican illegal e-liquid smuggling ring, agents also found automatic weapons, luxury cars, and the infamous bandit known as Cashmere (known by his clients as "Steve"), who is known for his involvement in the e-liquid-related shootings in San Antonio earlier this year, as well as his excellent customer service and fast delivery times. The DEA thanks you for the additional federal funding they have received.
-sigh- It will be a sad day.
The sad day might not be far away. As I've said before, we do not want the FDA involved. And if this becomes a medical device, you are looking at years of qualifying studies before marketing would be allowed. A ban would be an interim measure, since there is obvious danger to vaping unknown liquids with high concentrations of poisonous nicotine.
But this story on MSNBC might be most troubling. Note that Barack Obama -- one of us not long ago until he realized a smoker couldn't be elected dogcatcher, much less President -- is co-sponsor of the Senate bill to give FDA authority over tobacco and nicotine. The third paragraph of this story tells the subtle shift. It's not just about regulating tobacco products anymore. It's about nicotine, too.
Obama likely to boost FDA oversight of imports - Food safety
But this story on MSNBC might be most troubling. Note that Barack Obama -- one of us not long ago until he realized a smoker couldn't be elected dogcatcher, much less President -- is co-sponsor of the Senate bill to give FDA authority over tobacco and nicotine. The third paragraph of this story tells the subtle shift. It's not just about regulating tobacco products anymore. It's about nicotine, too.
Obama likely to boost FDA oversight of imports - Food safety
WOW ... is all I can really say ...
I figured we would see some type of change when the President Elect took office, but giving the FDA authority over Tobacco? What are they going to rule it as ... an assisted suicide drug?
Sad Sad Day ....
How can they stop this trade when ...... and the likes are freely available at most respectable stores!!
I'm sure even if banned this stuff will be freely available
I'm sure even if banned this stuff will be freely available
is it all that bad ?
sounds sensible. also, Im not sure he will throw the book at e-cigs especially if he reads the testimonials that abound on this forum from the pack-a-day-lifers who have almost miracously been able to quit the weed for the first time in his life.
what he might do is make sure this poison i like to inhale that comes from a big anonymous pot in china is safe, which is fair enough. maybe it will be a problem for small sellers but with his desire to help the small wo/man maybe not. also in his campaign he promised to cut out the influence of lobbyists in making policies so perhaps he wont lend big pharma and big smoke such a large ear as your soon to be author would have. but we'll just have to see how it all plays out.
sounds sensible. also, Im not sure he will throw the book at e-cigs especially if he reads the testimonials that abound on this forum from the pack-a-day-lifers who have almost miracously been able to quit the weed for the first time in his life.
what he might do is make sure this poison i like to inhale that comes from a big anonymous pot in china is safe, which is fair enough. maybe it will be a problem for small sellers but with his desire to help the small wo/man maybe not. also in his campaign he promised to cut out the influence of lobbyists in making policies so perhaps he wont lend big pharma and big smoke such a large ear as your soon to be author would have. but we'll just have to see how it all plays out.
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One of the notions the FDA has is to make cigarettes non-addictive, in the name of public health. How can they do that? By ordering the nicotine content reduced dramatically. The idea tossed about would be to drop the nicotine to a level no greater than is allowed in NRT products.
If applied to our liquids, you can kiss anything above about 4mg goodbye.
The hope behind these thoughts, as I've read, is that if cigarettes hold no addiction power, a smoker will quit, thus saving lives, etc., from the damage done by smoke. If you can't ban or prohibit the product, ruin it!
Remember where the two Surgeon General's reports came from -- the FDA -- and how vehemently anti-tobacco that agency is. It tried to grab power over tobacco products about eight years ago, and the Supreme Court said 'no can do' without Congressional approval. That's what the bill that is coming to a Senate vote will provide.
If applied to our liquids, you can kiss anything above about 4mg goodbye.
The hope behind these thoughts, as I've read, is that if cigarettes hold no addiction power, a smoker will quit, thus saving lives, etc., from the damage done by smoke. If you can't ban or prohibit the product, ruin it!
Remember where the two Surgeon General's reports came from -- the FDA -- and how vehemently anti-tobacco that agency is. It tried to grab power over tobacco products about eight years ago, and the Supreme Court said 'no can do' without Congressional approval. That's what the bill that is coming to a Senate vote will provide.
If they do clinical trials, I need to go find out where I can sign up.
I've got an e-cig arsenal going now. I'm not done collecting either.
I've got an e-cig arsenal going now. I'm not done collecting either.
So basically they are working very hard to hand over more money to big tobacco? Because we all know what will happen when they regulate nicotine content in cigarettes...smokers will buy MORE cigarettes. Lowering the nicotine level isn't going to make people stop smoking or keep them from getting addicted...it is only going to make them smoke more in order to get their fix. This of course, will in turn cause more cigarette related deaths and put them one step closer to banning them altogether.
Maybe Mr. Pres got a heavy donation from those that want control and he has some pay backs to do...even if he's a smoker....
No, no. Obama introduced the Senate bill before he became President-elect. It's not about payback. And the FDA is anything BUT a friend of Big Tobacco. The FDA would like tobacco relegated to history. They are not trying to drive anyone to tobacco. The idea is to QUIT. If smoking can be made unsatisfying and difficult, then quitting becomes the most intelligent option. The FDA's first task will be to cut off all end runs around cigarettes, such as little cigars, smokeless options and loose tobacco for roll-your-own and pipes. Since FDA now knows about e-cigs, chances are good our liquids will be included in nicotine regulation.
This is not a plot, not a conspiracy, not some evil folks trying to keep us from having fun. The FDA's reports have damned tobacco as no others have. It does not want smoking, but hasn't the authority to make it illegal. So it will make it as unsatisfying as possible -- and the goal is nothing less than a healthier citizenry. Whether we agree that will result or not is largely irrelevant to anyone who counts.
This is not a plot, not a conspiracy, not some evil folks trying to keep us from having fun. The FDA's reports have damned tobacco as no others have. It does not want smoking, but hasn't the authority to make it illegal. So it will make it as unsatisfying as possible -- and the goal is nothing less than a healthier citizenry. Whether we agree that will result or not is largely irrelevant to anyone who counts.
bob, thanks for clearing that up for me. as a us citizen i am surprised that we have been able to enjoy them this long. all i would like, is to be able to get the devices. juice is something i can deal with.
I get a daily "show prep" sheet with weird news and other crap on it for radio stations. They got wind of the e-cig from that overpriced smokinganywhere.com site that we're talking about here. I would post the story here, but you have to be subscribed to get it. But it's just a bunch of fluff about this cool new "cigarette" that we've all known about forever.
When stuff like this hits my show prep source, then you can guarantee it's gonna get talked up. We're going to hear a lot of splinter stories from people who have already used it and suffered from reversible side effects...and it's going to raise MORE red flags. Keep an eye on your network news sources too. It's going to catch on like wildfire. Like T-Bob and I have said for months, stock up.
When stuff like this hits my show prep source, then you can guarantee it's gonna get talked up. We're going to hear a lot of splinter stories from people who have already used it and suffered from reversible side effects...and it's going to raise MORE red flags. Keep an eye on your network news sources too. It's going to catch on like wildfire. Like T-Bob and I have said for months, stock up.
I'm thinking maybe it's time our juice suppliers offered liter sized jugs of the stuff, (at a decent discount of course)
Electronic Cigarette Portal say you don't need to meet their minimum ordering quantity to get their e-juice:
We accept orders above 700 USD for hardware and atomized filters, except for the Liquid, the Atomized liquid can be order separate by sending e-mail e-mail info@royalsmokers.com
1.2L for USD92.60 + shipping.
You might want to have a look through the threads before asking for a quote, though.. hehehe.
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Oh, and Johnsons Creek say this in their FAQ:
Q: Do you offer quantity discounts?
A: Yes we do! E-mail us at johnsoncreekservice@me.com for more info.
I don't know what the discount is like, though. But they are less likely to begin assassinating your character on the forums just for getting a quote.
Q: Do you offer quantity discounts?
A: Yes we do! E-mail us at johnsoncreekservice@me.com for more info.
I don't know what the discount is like, though. But they are less likely to begin assassinating your character on the forums just for getting a quote.
Thanks Bertrand!
I'll have a look.
Does anyone know how long the stuff will keep before spoilage?
I'll have a look.
Does anyone know how long the stuff will keep before spoilage?
PG alone has a shelf life of 24 months. Assuming it takes up a majority of the liquid (50+%), pretty safe to say a 12 month shelf life is reasonable.
At least, this is how it was explained to me by a chemist ...- Status
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