FDA is scaring me
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Well, I'm 64 and my oldest grand is 19. I started young and so did my son. Worked for me and not for him.
There, fixed your second sentence for ya Signal.
The FDA tried to ban e-cigarettes outright as medical devices but were told they couldn't do that by our judicial system. I like you think they will follow the UK's lead and limit the nicotine percentage, plus probably limit it to sealed cartridges and tobacco or menthol flavors. I believe that Big Tobacco has the inside scoop and that's why they have either created or purchased their ecig lines in the format they're currently producing.
For anyone who says that all they can limit is the nicotine though, recent laws have allowed the FDA to regulate everything from cigarette rolling papers to rolling machines and matchbooks. Accessories are clearly covered, and pre-manufactured e-cig batteries are definitely vaping accessories. What worries me the most is what happens if we're returned to pen style e-c-cigs. I had a heck of a time quitting with an 808. It took the e-Go style's introduction into the market for me to go completely cigarette free.
mitchell.zeller@fda.hhs.gov
^^ Email Mitch Zeller, director of the FDAs Center for Tobacco Products (CTP), with your concerns, thoughts, and personal experience with vaping.
I did.
^^ Email Mitch Zeller, director of the FDAs Center for Tobacco Products (CTP), with your concerns, thoughts, and personal experience with vaping.
I did.
Nobody is worried they will ban nicotine in juice.
We are worried they will ban free-roaming nicotine juice.
What we'd be left with is prefilled cartridges supplied by Big Tobacco.
And that's exactly what they want to happen, so why wouldn't they try to make it happen?
That would lead to the inevitable failure of the entire industry. Carts suck, plain and simple. Ecigs will end up being seen as a novelty. Meanwhile those of us already outside the box will have to resort to god know's what to get our vape.
Tax nic juice. Leave the rest of the industry alone. That would be less than ideal, but better than what you're suggesting might happen.
All i did was google "pure nicotine". Wouldn't take a genius to do that would it !. They sell it and people buy it. Are you from the FDA ?
I too have that goal of getting down to 0 NIC content in my vaping, as of now I vape using 12mg
Well, it would lead to electronic cigarettes becoming a novelty for the most part.
Big Tobacco is happy as more people just smoke instead.
Big Pharma is happy as more people have to keep trying to quit smoking using their products.
Big Government is happy as they continue to rake in the tax revenues.
Is this what will happen? We just don't know yet.
But if it isn't exactly what they try to do then I will be absolutely shocked.
In the mean time, I'm preparing as if it is exactly what will happen.
And I'm preparing to fight.
If BT and the FDA does step in and regulate, I too see the future of e-cigs to be sealed pre-filled cartidges on par with the current cost per pack.
I doubt you can buy it. I would suspect you would need some kind of permit at the very least.
No, I'm from this forum, where in the last 3 years I've watched a few people do some pretty silly stuff that almost got themselves killed because they didn't do their homework. Had I been from the FDA I'd have just had Homeland track your backside down without saying anything.
Chinese site DC. I know at least one person has received exactly what they ordered from a site like that, and then mixed with it. Thank goodness they had a more experienced vaper around to call a halt to it or we might have had our first casualty.
What makes me laugh is someone got my post deleted because it showed a link to a site that sold nicotine. You can see how funny that is right ?. This thread is about the availability of nicotine, and when i posted a link to a site that sells it, some clever clogs reports it to the forum moderators. I do understand why it was reported, but the idea of deleting the link is funny given the subject matter !.
No, I'm from this forum, where in the last 3 years I've watched a few people do some pretty silly stuff that almost got themselves killed because they didn't do their homework. Had I been from the FDA I'd have just had Homeland track your backside down without saying anything.
Just seemed like you don't want people to know where to get nicotine from that's all. Where else they going to get it.
What about a site that sold nicotine in minute quantities. Say enough to be added to a 30ml bottle of base liquid to make for example a 36mg nicotine bottle of e liquid. Or better still you could buy it in a 30ml bottle then just add the other ingredients. Where would be the harm in that ?. Seriously, because i don't know, really !. Would that also be dangerous ?. Would a regular vendor be able to work around regulations/bans/sanctions by selling it as a standalone product ?. Does that sound like a reasonable proposal ?
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This isn't a thread about where can I get . . . there are threads for this type thing and there is also the private messaging system.
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Make friends with a trucking company that hauls pharmaceuticals - they have the required permits and authority to import nic, and to transport it. As for you or I actually being able to legally have it in our possession, well that is another matter. They way I see it dealing with what I will be able to get if the bans come down is no more hazardous to my health than the pure sodium nitrate I use in mixing my own meat cures - too much and it gets toxic fast, done right it's delicious and safe, same as my vape juice.
They can't ban batteries (yes the ones that are built into an e-cig like ego and cigalikes they can but, not the ones we need for mods - those are just a likely to be for my RC aircraft as for my Provari. They won't ban flavoring sold as food and beverage flavorings - they'd have to ban it all out of the grocery stores too so, that isn't happening. They won't ban glycerin or PG (it's needed to treat and prevent Ketosis in cattle) so, it might be the stuff labeled for veterinary use only but, it's still food grade PG.
So, have fun FDA, just like truck drivers and radar dectectors, outlaw them all you want, but, you won't stop them - just make them better and, teach us to find alternative means of having what we want or need, or at least think we need.
They can't ban batteries (yes the ones that are built into an e-cig like ego and cigalikes they can but, not the ones we need for mods - those are just a likely to be for my RC aircraft as for my Provari. They won't ban flavoring sold as food and beverage flavorings - they'd have to ban it all out of the grocery stores too so, that isn't happening. They won't ban glycerin or PG (it's needed to treat and prevent Ketosis in cattle) so, it might be the stuff labeled for veterinary use only but, it's still food grade PG.
So, have fun FDA, just like truck drivers and radar dectectors, outlaw them all you want, but, you won't stop them - just make them better and, teach us to find alternative means of having what we want or need, or at least think we need.
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