Exactly. And can someone PLEASE enlighten me on why with all these laws, cigars are exempt? What am I missing here? Is it just a grandfather thing?
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Exactly. And can someone PLEASE enlighten me on why with all these laws, cigars are exempt? What am I missing here? Is it just a grandfather thing?
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Well... and the good thing is, is that with every step the anti's take towards our ecigs... someone else comes out for them. And... with every indication that it could be illegal to purchase them/sell them what have you... we get a little bit madder and people are starting to turn towards each other instead of away.
CoderGuy has been very enlightening tonite regarding the ridiculousness just passed in WA. Um... does the WA state government think their adult citizens need controlling or what? And we all know, when one state does something like that and gets away with it, it's just a matter of time before they all do. Look at the smoking bans. How ridiculous did we all think those "crazy californians" were when they started banning smoking years ago? Yep. Ignoring bit everyone in the ....... hard.
The ECA has seen a much needed pickup of membership lately. Why? In business, you either act or get acted upon and people are finally starting to understand that we are up against an obscene amount of money and power, but we do have several things going for us: good consumers, moral high ground, and frankly, a ridiculous scare tactic policy that is falling apart every day. I mean seriously, now they want to claim that marking a product as "adult only" is marketing directly to children? Even an alcoholic, porn-loving, anti-smoker can sit back and say "wait" on that one.
IMHO, every bad thing that happens has brought nothing but good. So bring that sh*t on!
LOVE your avatar by the way!
Perhaps my head has shrunken and my brain is disintegrating, but isn't this exactly why Johnson Creek changed their formulations, so that they could remove all the "tobacco essense" or whatever that they were adding to their recipes?
Because that's what others were saying, and it makes even more sense now, right?
Or is my brain flooding down and out the leg of my pants?
Because that's what others were saying, and it makes even more sense now, right?
Or is my brain flooding down and out the leg of my pants?
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When I first read the news today I said oh no!This is the end of the world-But the fda is going to use any trick up there sleeve-Same as a defendant in court being told of holding a smoking gun. Prove it and wait for the reply-The fat lady has not sung yet!!
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I picked up on this too. It really is flat out lying that is going on at this point. I think the FDA knows damn straight they are up a creek. No doubt they could have won with just SE but then nJoy entered and I think they knew they had done wrong.
Imagine if the over zealous agent hadn't stopped nJoy? They could have slam dunked SE with the TRUTH and then there would have been legislation on the books to go off of... moving towards whatever rules they want with the new tobacco bill.
I think their failed attempt at a biased lab study showed them they have some serious issues when it comes to winning in court. I think they can't prove they are in the right so they are going to make their last ditch effort to scare the sh*t out the unknowing American people.
We should all give a shout out to nJoy for having the cajones to get involved in this or we would have all been screwed for sure. IMHO that is.
BTW, has the FDA ever documented one case of this occurring? Forget the percentage of children or non-smokers buying these products (which is of course the right way to look at the "children angle"), but ONE SINGLE CASE of it actually happening?
Thanks, my pleasure.
WA is not the first state, it's the second, Utah was the first recently, and there are others following suit.
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I'm on your side lacey...........just hoping all of us step up and fight.
The word e-cig alone causes debate among people who live in the box.(what? my government.........no way, My daddy and my dad's daddy always told me vote republican, no wait vote democrat) f
few people realize the meaning of the word POLITICIAN................ you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to smell bull****( even though everyone claims to be regaining their sense of smell)
The word e-cig alone causes debate among people who live in the box.(what? my government.........no way, My daddy and my dad's daddy always told me vote republican, no wait vote democrat) f
few people realize the meaning of the word POLITICIAN................ you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to smell bull****( even though everyone claims to be regaining their sense of smell)
Hi All this is my 1st post on here. I would like to say this is one that I really wanted to respond on. I am a 36 old 100% Disable Vent Due to What the FDA said was good for the Millitry(Anthrax Vac) and from what I understand they still are usen' it. I have just started Vapn' and I find this report that the FDA gave is BS. 1st off when we all realize that our Goverment is the wost then is has ever been we will throw these poeple out of power. FDA is Clearly payed off by Big tobbacco, and by people that are still liven in the 70s' and 80's that want the Goverment to tell them what is good for them. I will love to see a private Lab do test on this. Thx All hope I did not get to much of the topic and yes my spelling is a bit bad lol. This is Vamp and yes I am still Vapn'
Everyone who lives in Utah understands how pathetic their mormon control is (disclaimer all christian religions believe the same way the just don't happen to own their own state)
They do and say as they please all the while maintaing the highest infant drowning,child molestation, and prescription drug abuse percentages per capita in the world
They do and say as they please all the while maintaing the highest infant drowning,child molestation, and prescription drug abuse percentages per capita in the world
Happily, CoderGuy, Our House, Deadcat2 - Thank you! It is this passion, truth, faith and intelligence that will hopefully prevail (and makes me stick around on the forum through thick and thin). If we all do stick together and stay calm and rational about the injustices that are occurring, we will be very hard to ignore.
I do know that Matt has prepared a statement from the ECA in regards to the FDA announcement which should be released tomorrow. As soon as it is available, NYCSublimeGirl will most likely post it in the ECA forum. If not, I will make sure it is.
Today has been a long one... lots of processing... I am off to bed!
EDIT: Welcome TBCVAMP!
I do know that Matt has prepared a statement from the ECA in regards to the FDA announcement which should be released tomorrow. As soon as it is available, NYCSublimeGirl will most likely post it in the ECA forum. If not, I will make sure it is.
Today has been a long one... lots of processing... I am off to bed!
EDIT: Welcome TBCVAMP!
it may be a little late in the game for this, but has there been any discussions concerning tightening up the method that we purchase our supplies? by this i mean maybe requiring proof of age beyond what some websites presently do which is fundamentally stating age? i know it would be a pain (i don't like it) but would this not be at least a token showing the market is will to police itself?
secondly, i agree with those who stated that johnson's creek needs to step up to the plate and respond to concerns and questions. i think they can do so in a manner that doesn't disclose all of "granny's" recipe. after all, we are talking about something ingested and, as far as i'm concerned, this goes beyond implied assurances of safety.
lastly, what can be done about manufacturers who dilute their product with crap? this is where i think the eca, and/or a consumer-based association comes into play. it's all fine and well wanting to influence policy in dc, but it says something else when ponying up knowing that the bs emanating from the fda and anti-everything crowd have been and will continue to be monitored within, and mean it. i think there are enough good people here vested in our lifestyle choices that would take part in some sort of action that police the manufacturers, hold them accountable and inform this community, and the world at large, of how the manufacturers are doing. sort of a consumer union of sorts. dunno, worthy of consideration.
secondly, i agree with those who stated that johnson's creek needs to step up to the plate and respond to concerns and questions. i think they can do so in a manner that doesn't disclose all of "granny's" recipe. after all, we are talking about something ingested and, as far as i'm concerned, this goes beyond implied assurances of safety.
lastly, what can be done about manufacturers who dilute their product with crap? this is where i think the eca, and/or a consumer-based association comes into play. it's all fine and well wanting to influence policy in dc, but it says something else when ponying up knowing that the bs emanating from the fda and anti-everything crowd have been and will continue to be monitored within, and mean it. i think there are enough good people here vested in our lifestyle choices that would take part in some sort of action that police the manufacturers, hold them accountable and inform this community, and the world at large, of how the manufacturers are doing. sort of a consumer union of sorts. dunno, worthy of consideration.
What bothers me is the aspect of second-hand smoke was never discussed. Am I mistaken in believing that vaping drastically reduces second-hand smoke? It's great that it's safer than analogs for me. But I am not the victim here. I intend to vape for the health of my beautiful niece.
one other thing i forgot to write about. i sometimes am a long-winded bugger. i love every modder on the planet. they've come up with quite remarkable improvements and devices, and have been very generous in sharing. bless every one of them. but, i think maybe the time has come that an equal amount of energy be devoted to coming up with some sort of tobacco juice that will satisfy all needs. yes, i've read the attempts and the safety concerns, all of which are valid and important. but, i'm just saying that maybe more energy needs to be poured into this aspect then in the hardware?
Is no one else incredibly suspicious of how the FDA issued statements both in and out of court about how studies needed to be done by the manufacturers so e-cigs could go through approval process, so that they could be shown to be safe, so that we know what's in them, etc. etc...
...all while they had this study of their own already conducted since May 4th -- that showed "known carcinogens" in these products -- but was kept secret for 2.5 months?
...all while they had this study of their own already conducted since May 4th -- that showed "known carcinogens" in these products -- but was kept secret for 2.5 months?
I agree with that. After all they really have no grounds to ban the actual hardware that I can see. To do so would be hypocritical as they allow the sale or "water pipes" and such. The liquid itself should be the main concern here. Honesty should come in to play. Tell us whats in there. I bet it'd be a far cry from the dangers of analogs. When all is out on the table, comparisons can be made and then all that is left is simple. Truth.
Right, OurHouse, all being judged by the very same slanted BS that they meant to use for a purpose. Two birds with one stone? SE and NJoy??
Yes, regulate the juice. Make sure all are on the same page as to approved and banned substances, and then we'll see where we're at.
NOTHING should be banned, as long as tobacco cigarettes are available at any convenient location. I just dare them.
Do they want everyone in the world to die in the same pristine condition we were born in? So, that means air, water, food, and environment is all going to have to be controlled by the FDA, I don't think so......they've sort of failed on too much for anyone to trust their conspiracies any more.
Yes, regulate the juice. Make sure all are on the same page as to approved and banned substances, and then we'll see where we're at.
NOTHING should be banned, as long as tobacco cigarettes are available at any convenient location. I just dare them.
Do they want everyone in the world to die in the same pristine condition we were born in? So, that means air, water, food, and environment is all going to have to be controlled by the FDA, I don't think so......they've sort of failed on too much for anyone to trust their conspiracies any more.
Our House. So what you are saying is the FDA is claiming studies need to be done all the while they've done these studies and hidden them till they can obscure the facts properly?
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