FDA regs?
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They will be completely silent while they "review" (AKA ignore) all the comments submitted. After a suitable period of time they will implement the proposed deeming regs as originally written and any recourse will be through the courts (an expensive proposition at best).
JMHO, but I bet that's how it plays, and don't see any indication it's going to be any different. After all they got nothing to lose since we're the ones paying for them and their lawyers.
JMHO, but I bet that's how it plays, and don't see any indication it's going to be any different. After all they got nothing to lose since we're the ones paying for them and their lawyers.
Government is a slow, grinding business and by the time they make any decisions it'll be 2-3 years down the road. Then they will lose again in the courts.
In the meantime, ever increasing numbers of smokers will extricate themselves from the evil clutches of tobacco smoking and turn to vaping; batteries will become more and more powerful and electronics will include a stealth vape feature that incorporates the ability to blend into surroundings. The Chameleon mod.
You have to pick the truth out of the above and vote for it.
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In the meantime, ever increasing numbers of smokers will extricate themselves from the evil clutches of tobacco smoking and turn to vaping; batteries will become more and more powerful and electronics will include a stealth vape feature that incorporates the ability to blend into surroundings. The Chameleon mod.
You have to pick the truth out of the above and vote for it.
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Yep. Nothing much going to happen for a couple years, as far as consumers are concerned. The trade will be starting to fight them in around a year, otherwise the entire ecig market will be in prohibition territory (apart from the cigarette corporations' mini ecigs).
Keep an eye on the CASAA forum for the latest news that affects vapers. For at least another year the only thing happening will be calls to action about contacting your rep and so on.
Keep an eye on the CASAA forum for the latest news that affects vapers. For at least another year the only thing happening will be calls to action about contacting your rep and so on.
Leave it to the government to mess up a good thing ,I was a cigarette smoker for 40 + years vapeing got me off cigarettes. After many other attempts and other methods this is the first time I have been off cigarettes for longer a couple of weeks. Remember prohibition people still used alcohol but some of it was poison. And it helped create organized crime. Well let's hope the fed doesn't outlaw vapeing I don't want to go back to stinky sticks, and I'm to old to become a criminal. Just have to wait and see.
Disagree completely about this time frame.
We are relying on the "grace" of the FDA and Federal Government to A) read our comments and B) make any adjustments based upon them.
Their time line was laid out fairly explicitly in the deeming regs and their view of what an "ecig" should be as well.
We are fighting powerful, well funded & organized enemies of vaping.
The FDA "lost" their original battle based upon semantics--specifically their attempt to classify an ecig as a "medical device". The industry won by arguing their status as a "tobacco product".
The FDA fought this every step of the way.
What is the legal basis upon which vendors or manufacturers (assuming they even have the financial means) have to win a battle in courts once the FDA presents their final version since their authority is based upon the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act signed into law in 2009?
I hope I'm wrong but I think this industry (and we vapors) are in for a rude awakening.
I have only to look at what the govt did to the online poker industry that was killed at the very height of its popularity.
While gambling is perceived as a "vice", smoking (and that's how vaping is portrayed) is EVIL INCARNATE--and one the govt currently makes little money on.
A number of people ask and are worried about the FDA outcome but most people seem to be completely unaware that a more immediate threat may be coming to them courtesy of their local, county and state governments. Please keep an eye on the Legislation News
At a bare minimum, US members should join CASSA. CASSA was born here on ECF, they are not paid and are funded through donations. They fight for us. You can even get yourself a freebee if you join through perhaps ECF’s most generous member, Flavored http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/member-contest-forum/479098-pif-new-ecf-casaa-members.html
At a bare minimum, US members should join CASSA. CASSA was born here on ECF, they are not paid and are funded through donations. They fight for us. You can even get yourself a freebee if you join through perhaps ECF’s most generous member, Flavored http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/member-contest-forum/479098-pif-new-ecf-casaa-members.html
The time frame is based upon the minimum time it takes for anything to go from 'deeming' to law. It is a slow, bureaucratic process and 2 years would be a fast time to completion, after the FDA has ignoredconsidered all comments.
I'm sure there will be legal challenges to whatever becomes law and they have been successful in the past, so i'd expect that there will be some considerable delay before the FDA issues any final submissions to try to ensure that it's legally watertight.
The thing that disturbs me about this entire business the most, is the willingness to legislate against people that are doing nothing more than trying to improve their health and life expectancy through stopping smoking. I'm not sure that that's the role of government, especially if you consider that the majority of the ingredients are FDA approved in e-cigarettes.
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I'm sure there will be legal challenges to whatever becomes law and they have been successful in the past, so i'd expect that there will be some considerable delay before the FDA issues any final submissions to try to ensure that it's legally watertight.
The thing that disturbs me about this entire business the most, is the willingness to legislate against people that are doing nothing more than trying to improve their health and life expectancy through stopping smoking. I'm not sure that that's the role of government, especially if you consider that the majority of the ingredients are FDA approved in e-cigarettes.
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I don't think Anyone knows for sure the FDA Deeming timeline? But many believe that the FDA will stay on track for this April 2015 for the Final Rules.
https://www.federalregister.gov/art...-food-drug-and-cosmetic-act-as-amended-by-the
Congress needs to Approve whatever the FDA submits. And that will depend on the Make Up of the Senate.
As to Nothing Happening for Years. I think with regard to Hardware, this may be true. But with Regard to e-Liquids, I don't think so.
I think once the FDA has Legal Authority over the Manufacture and Sale of Nicotine e-Liquids, that they will Act Immediately.
If someone gets killed or seriously injured due to improper build in a public incident like at VapeBlast, I think we'd see an immediate overnight ban on hardware (and quite possibly all hardware)
I think that might be a Little Extreme. And the e-Cigarette Market may not be Holding On Quite so Tenuously.
And the FDA Knows that it would Nearly Impossible to Ban All Hardware. Remember, if Tobacco Isn't Involved, the FDA Does not have Authority over it.
But you are right when you say that the Events of something like Vape Blast 2014 did Nothing to Help the Vaping Community in the Eyes of the FDA or State/Federal Law Makers.
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