FDA to propose rule on ecigarettes Monday 4-28-2014

[sonicdsl]

They are going to "deem" that ecigs are under their jurisdiction to regulate. Read this, and other threads in the Legislative News forum to understand the details.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...op-fda-giving-e-cig-industry-big-tobacco.html

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Situation:

The FDA has stated its intent to propose <...> the “deeming” regulation to apply Chapter IX of the 2009 tobacco Control Act (TCA) to all e-cigarettes (e-cigs), and to propose additional regulations for e-cigs.

But Chapter 910 of the TCA would ban all e-cigs currently on the market, Chapter 911 would prohibit e-cig companies from truthfully claiming the products are “smokefree” or are less hazardous than cigarettes, and the rest of Chapter IX and other likely e-cig regulations would give the entire e-cig industry to Big tobacco (and perhaps several large companies that market “Cigalikes”).
Text of H.R. 1256 (111th): Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (Passed Congress/Enrolled Bill version) - GovTrack.us

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More info here too: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-e-cig-industry-big-tobacco.html#post12191476

 

[Slots]

Internet sales could generate sales tax if the seller has a presence in said state and the buyer resides in that state.

Internet sales don't "could" ..they already do.
I live in Washington, and pay state tax on products I buy from MtBakerVaper, and Provape (ProVari)

 

[Slots]

The problem with that for the states would mean new legislation would have to be written, rather than encompass e-juice into tobacco taxes.
We just defeated a 95% tobacco tax that was to apply to e-cigs a month ago (HB2795) in Wa.
Oh .. it's not gone, but they ran into a brick wall (us) that took them off guard .. they will be back.

New tax laws can take many legislative sessions to pass.
Not really .. it was to go into effect within a few months

Aldo, cigars, cigarettes and chew are taxed differently. What category would e-juice fall under? Other than containing an ingredient derived from tobacco, it is none on the above.
Different how ?? It's just like all above ..a tobacco product.
It didn't make any difference to them .. "tobacco is tobacco", no matter how you use it.
The use of e-cigs is already against the law (didn't take long)...in all the areas where they ban cigarettes.
That went into effect 6 months a go.
There were no meetings or "hearings" .. one day not there, the next day it was announced, effective immediately

The states are losing too much $$$, and they can't make up for it like the government ..print more

They are desperate, and can see the writing on the wall, and are out to save their ...
Example ..We voted into law a flat rate for license plates .. they added a "tonnage" tax to make up for it.
We voted them out of the state run liquor business, and opened it up to be operated like any other business by outsiders.
They threw the "children will get it" at us, but lost the vote ..the next day they threw a additional tax on liquor that amounts to over $6.00 a fifth.

We are in for a knock down drag out fight.
They are not about to lose their precious tobacco related funding.
Your state will not be any different than mine, when they see the other shoe hit the floor

 

[aikanae1]

I swear this flavors thing and "the children" drives me nuts! The only e-liquid I have that is not in a child-proof bottle is some that came from Draco in glass bottles. They still make orange cleaners right? Lemon? Others? Sure they do. If the Kidstapo don't watch their children like they should is it us that has to suffer for it? grrrr

That's all they got too. That's what burns me up about his whole deal.

At least eliquid tastes nasty if you try to ingest it, unlike other NRT products.

 

[aikanae1]

The states are losing too much $$$, and they can't make up for it like the government ..print more

They are desperate, and can see the writing on the wall, and are out to save their ...
Example ..We voted into law a flat rate for license plates .. they added a "tonnage" tax to make up for it.
We voted them out of the state run liquor business, and opened it up to be operated like any other business by outsiders.
They threw the "children will get it" at us, but lost the vote ..the next day they threw a additional tax on liquor that amounts to over $6.00 a fifth.

We are in for a knock down drag out fight.
They are not about to lose their precious tobacco related funding.
Your state will not be any different than mine, when they see the other shoe hit the floor

Good for you.

I think a lot of state reps thought this would be an easy sell too - after all "it's smoking" and that's probably how this was sold to them. Push back was unexpected. There's no doubt that tactics will change; piece by piece, broadly worded so it's hard to define, slipped into legislation at the last minute and swiftly voted on. I think Florida has one of those right now.

If I understand correctly, States, cities, counties, etc are free to restrict smoking in any way they see fit no matter what the feds do or don't do per the act. So FDA deeming isn't going to stop bans, moritoriums or taxes. This includes online sales, devices used and possibly private space like vapiing in your car.

Having someone in a position of power in any these agencies who vapes, or knows someone close to them who vapes would be invaluable. It'd be nice to give them all a starter kit to use or pass out to someone they know is still smoking. A little personal experience can go a long way.

 

[bosun]

Federal laws are generally just 'minimum guidelines' and States are free to add on/expand the the Federal law. Unless the state is doing something that the Feds don't like (an increasing list) and the Feds use the Supreme Court to overthrow what the state law is...

 

[Slots]

It sure looks to me like they have already approved e-cigs ...and don't even know it

Electronic Cigarettes vs. Nicorette Quickmist » The Electronic Cigarette Buyers Guide

 

[picowatt]

It sure looks to me like they have already approved e-cigs ...and don't even know it

Electronic Cigarettes vs. Nicorette Quickmist » The Electronic Cigarette Buyers Guide

Oh, yes. Let's not forget the Nicorette Inhaler as well....

 

[MorpheusPA]

So I'm guessing nothing went down Monday, being as it's already Tuesday here on the east coast.

Well, tomorrow is another day.

 

[picowatt]

It sure looks to me like they have already approved e-cigs ...and don't even know it

Electronic Cigarettes vs. Nicorette Quickmist » The Electronic Cigarette Buyers Guide

Error - Canadian Only WebSite -
Perhaps the the clinical research Johnson & Johnson may have provided the Canadian Agency for Drugs and Technologies in Health (CADTH) for approval could be used as a evidence of the safety of vaping - with a side by side comparison such as shown in the website you referenced but also include the Nicorette Inhaler .

 

[picowatt]

It sure looks to me like they have already approved e-cigs ...and don't even know it

Electronic Cigarettes vs. Nicorette Quickmist » The Electronic Cigarette Buyers Guide

Oops - looks like Canadian only -
"This site is published by McNeil Consumer Healthcare, division of Johnson & Johnson Inc. which is solely responsible for its content. It is intended for visitors from Canada only."

Retract my previous comments - darn.

 

[thewomenfolk]

Anybody know the concentration of nicotine in the Quickmist. Strangely, their site doesn't say (or I couldn't find it).

 

[PeteMarque]

Not sure which way everyone sits on the issue. But if you know your Zip Code go to Google, Type contact your congressman.
and find your congressman/congresswoman. Don't email. Pick up your cell phone place a call to the local office. It's amazing. They do listen. And a call is worth a thousand emails. Add them to your contacts and call. You do have a voice. and the local staffs are working hard with elections coming up.

 

[sonicdsl]

Anybody know the concentration of nicotine in the Quickmist. Strangely, their site doesn't say (or I couldn't find it).

Allegedly 1mg per spray:

NICORETTE QUICKMIST 1MG/SPRAY MOUTHSPRAY | Drugs.com

 

[MikeChino]

Just trying to wrap my head around all of this info, hell i haven't done this much reading since college..lol.. and this is just a question, how can they ban mods, tanks, and all the other equipment we use? i don't see them shutting down the internet any time soon, and as for not being able to vape in a restaurant etc. when i smoked i couldn't, and got use to it. the Juice is a different story, but that seems to be the only hold they have. am i wrong? and be nice im still a noob

 

[ellamenno]

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. No added flavorings but Big Tobacco can cram over 4000 toxic/carcinogenic chemicals into their analogs and no one says peep...

The FDA is going to make up their own rules and I'm pretty sure vaping is going to have a tough go of it. I LIKE not smoking. I LOVE feeling better! I LOVE breathing easier!

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

Anybody know the concentration of nicotine in the Quickmist. Strangely, their site doesn't say (or I couldn't find it).

Nicorette QuickMist 1mg/spray mouthspray - Summary of Product Characteristics (SPC) - (eMC)

0.07 ml contains 1 mg nicotine

That's 14.28 mg/ml

Maurice

 

[rslcb]

Its clear that the FDA first has to have the regulatory power to regulate liquid nicotine. The big question is what they will do once they have it.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

Its clear that the FDA first has to have the regulatory power to regulate liquid nicotine. The big question is what they will do once they have it.

Not sure I want to know, but I'm sure we will hear about it right here on ECF just as soon as they do any form of regulation.

Maurice

 

[CES]

looks like it might be happening

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/h...e-cigarettes.html?ribbon-ad-idx=4&rref=health

Under the new rules, companies would have to apply for F.D.A. approval for their products, but would have two years after the new rules are finalized to do so. Companies can keep their products on the market in the meantime. Eventually, the companies would have to adhere to F.D.A. standards for manufacturing their products, not unlike how drug companies and food companies do now, but the agency has yet to write those rules.