FDA FDA regulations and the impact on small juice vendors | another side

[zoiDman]

Well you still haven't really answered the question.

I say 1 to 4 years before final rule is in place, and you seem to think it will be less than that. I'd love to hear your date and reasoning and then possibly bet large sums of money on what you come up with.

More so, when it comes to actually impacting the market in significant way. I predict that thru 2020, vapers will be able to get eliquid that is not made by BT or BV. Currently have a wager on that, and feeling very confident, I'll be collecting.

If I have to Pick a Square in the Office Pool, then I'll take Less than 1 Year from Todays Date that the FDA will have Legal Authority to Restrict/Regulate e-liquids that contain Nicotine derived from Tobacco Plants. And you will be seeing the 1st Phase of their Restrictions / Regulation being Implemented.


As to No "Significant" Impact on Vaper's until 2020. OK.

I wish I could Fool Myself into that Level of Optimism. But I can't. And You are Going to Lose that Bet on Multiple Levels.

 

[Jman8]

If I have to Pick a Square in the Office Pool, then I'll take Less than 1 Year from Todays Date that the FDA will have Legal Authority to Restrict/Regulate e-Liquids that contain Nicotine derived from Tobacco Plants. And you will be seeing the 1st Phase of their Restrictions / Regulation being Implemented.

Which, according to post #108 means, no more sales, automagically.

Kinda Doesn't Matter how much money a Person has.

If you Don't have a License to Sell Tobacco Products, you Can't Legally Sell a Tobacco Product in the USA.

And that is a Much Overlook Consequence of what will Happen when the FDA files it's Authority with the Federal Registry.

And it will Not Happen in 3~4 Years. Or even 1~2 Years. It will Happen Automatically.

*Bold emphasis mine.

As to No "Significant" Impact on Vaper's until 2020. OK.

I wish I could Fool Myself into that Level of Optimism. But I can't. And You are Going to Lose that Bet on Multiple Levels.

And I'm happy to not fool mySelf with your level of pessimism.

I'll wager my position versus yours, any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

 

[zoiDman]

Which, according to post #108 means, no more sales, automagically.


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Not Exactly Sure how you are Going to Legally Sell Tobacco Products in this country without Multiple levels of Tobacco Licenses. With the Possible Exception of Living on an Indian Reservation.

But if you have Found a Way Jman8, by All Means, Please Tell Us.

We're All Ears.

 

[Jman8]

Not Exactly Sure how you are Going to Legally Sell Tobacco Products in this country without Multiple levels of Tobacco Licenses. With the Possible Exception of Living on an Indian Reservation.

But if you have Found a Way Jman8, by All Means, Please Tell Us.

We're All Ears.

Your original point (bottom line) is that legal sales will stop the moment that FDA has full authority over vaping. You used the word automatically. And I am saying it'll be 1 to 4 years.

Even without that license, products will be bought and sold, just not legally. Thus, not a significant impact (which is my point). If FDA is allowing a whole lot of products via easy compliance process, then what I am saying here, would be updated even more to say not a significant impact. But if not allowing any or very few, then I stand by what I was saying. Either way, I feel covered in my position, hence the optimism.

 

[zoiDman]

Your original point (bottom line) is that legal sales will stop the moment that FDA has full authority over vaping. You used the word automatically. And I am saying it'll be 1 to 4 years.

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NO. I stated that Selling an e-Liquid that Contains Nicotine which was derived from Tobacco Without obtaining ALL Necessary Tobacco Licensing will be Illegal.

If you have you have All the Required Tobacco Licensing, and Everything that goes Along with having a Business - DBA's - Tax ID Numbers - Business Bank Account - Business Licenses - etc., then you will are allowed to sell a Tobacco Product.

And as More and More Restriction are Place on Nicotine e-Liquids - Limited Flavors - Max mg - Tobacco Tax Accounting - Labeling / Packaging - Age Verification - etc, then you will have to Comply with those Restriction / Regulations.

If you don't think this is going to be a Significant Impact on Many e-Liquids Sellers (or Buyers), OK.

And if your Fall Back is the Black Market, then I guess About Nothing the FDA Can Do is much of a Worry to You.

Not much more for You and I to Talk about then.

 

[zoiDman]

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More so, when it comes to actually impacting the market in significant way. I predict that thru 2020, vapers will be able to get eLiquid that is not made by BT or BV. Currently have a wager on that, and feeling very confident, I'll be collecting.

BTW - I can Remember a Lot of Members from the UK Last Year having the Same Attitude and Optimism that you have.

And that Nothing would happen for Years. Maybe even a Decade like what you think will happen here. And Even when it Does, it Isn't going to be That Bad.

How'd all that Work Out?

 

[Jman8]

Not much more for You and I to Talk about then.

BTW - I can Remember a Lot of Members from the UK Last Year having the Same Attitude and Optimism that you have.

And that Nothing would happen for Years. Maybe even a Decade like what you think will happen here. And Even when it Does, it Isn't going to be That Bad.

How'd all that Work Out?

Oh BTW, people still vaping in Europe?

When you have a worthwhile position that is Not constantly backtracking, do let me know.

 

[zoiDman]

Oh BTW, people still vaping in Europe?

When you have a worthwhile position that is Not constantly backtracking, do let me know.

I have to Keep Backtracking and Explaining Things because you Can't seem to Understand that the Second that the Deeming is Finalized...

Nicotine e-Liquids = Tobacco Products.

And that Not Everyone considers buying Black Market e-Liquids from that Guy in the Van behind the Liquor Store a Viable Option.

You take Care Jman8. And best of luck with Your Bet.

 

[JoppaRoadCruiser]

I have to Keep Backtracking and Explaining Things because you Can't seem to Understand that the Second that the Deeming is Finalized...

Nicotine e-Liquids = Tobacco Products.

And that Not Everyone considers buying Black Market e-Liquids from that Guy in the Van behind the Liquor Store a Viable Option.

You take Care Jman8. And best of luck with Your Bet.

Next thing you know swat teams will be kicking in doors of indoor tobacco growing operations...

 

[zoiDman]

Next thing you know swat teams will be kicking in doors of indoor tobacco growing operations...

What I think is Funny is they Used to have to Say that the Water Pipe (Can't say the "B" Word here) you want to buy is for "Tobacco Use Only". And not for _____ Use.

Now we might have to do the Direct Opposite.

And Say that the Clearo I want is for "______ Use Only". And Not for Tobacco Use.

LOL

 

[JoppaRoadCruiser]

What I think is Funny is they Used to have to Say that the Water Pipe (Can't say the "B" Word here) you want to buy is for "Tobacco Use Only". And not for _____ Use.

Now we might have to do the Direct Opposite.

And Say that the Clearo I want is for "______ Use Only". And Not for Tobacco Use.

LOL

For aromatherapy uses only!

 

[Jman8]

Next thing you know swat teams will be kicking in doors of indoor tobacco growing operations...

It will happen automatically when the FDA reaches final rule. If not on Day 1, then no later than Day 2.

 

[zoiDman]

For aromatherapy uses only!

You Betcha

I'm doing a 510 Threaded LED to Screw into a VV or DNA30 Chipped 18650 Stainless Steel "Flashlight" body.

 

[Burnie]

Here are a few options
Saber Flashlight
510 Connector Flashlight Attachment - The Vape Source
$34.44 TECS MSK-2000 Variable Volt/Watt APV w/LED Flashlight - silver / VV / VW / 0.55" OLED (Temporarily sold out)

Vape On
Burnie

 

[zoiDman]

Here are a few options
Saber Flashlight
510 Connector Flashlight Attachment - The Vape Source
$34.44 TECS MSK-2000 Variable Volt/Watt APV w/LED Flashlight - silver / VV / VW / 0.55" OLED (Temporarily sold out)

Vape On
Burnie

That's what I'm Talking about Burnie.

VV Flashlights. Right on!

Last I checked, the Family Protection Act doesn't Cover them. So the FDA Can't Touch them.

 

[zoiDman]

BTW - I wonder if when the FDA Finalizes their Authority on e-Liquids, if this Guy would consider doing a Series about Nicotine Extraction?

 

[AndriaD]

What I think is Funny is they Used to have to Say that the Water Pipe (Can't say the "B" Word here) you want to buy is for "Tobacco Use Only". And not for _____ Use.

Now we might have to do the Direct Opposite.

And Say that the Clearo I want is for "______ Use Only". And Not for Tobacco Use.

LOL

That'll suit me fine. I'll use it for both -- and acquire both, probably from the same guy.


Andria

 

[Stosh]

That's what I'm Talking about Burnie.

VV Flashlights. Right on!

Last I checked, the Family Protection Act doesn't Cover them. So the FDA Can't Touch them.

A portable light source isn't going to do much for our nicotine fits, if the FDA starts having the Customs dept start seizing and destroying shipments of cartos, clearos, RDA, etc... (as they did in the past, even deifying some court orders).

 

[AndriaD]

A portable light source isn't going to do much for our nicotine fits, if the FDA starts having the Customs dept start seizing and destroying shipments of cartos, clearos, RDA, etc... (as they did in the past, even deifying some court orders).

This worries me too, but there's an awful lot of American ingenuity that's unemployed these days, because the jobs that needed that ingenuity got sent to Pakistan or some other east-bumble place.

Andria

 

[DaveP]

I'm a trained and seasoned electronic tech type. I can build most anything I need, including designing, etching, and populating my own phenolic circuit boards. But why would I want to do that if I can just buy it? Still, it's nice that I can deal with the hardware. All I need is a juice source and an atomizer source. If push came to shove, I could make my own cartos and tanks. I'd have to buy one of those little machining mills from Harbor Freight and I couldn't create threaded pyrex, but I could make something that held juice and made vapor. Again, do I want to have to do that? No.

All the basic juice components will still be available, but as the current conversation points out, nicotine could go away. There's always vaping at 0 nic, but I think that a little nic is a good thing, especially as we grow older and our brain cells need a little stimulating.

I'd hate to depend on Nicorette for Nic. Isn't it strange that you can buy nicorette products at the pharmacy without a prescription, but we are discussing control of the basic ingredient for ecigs?