FDA to propose rule on ecigarettes Monday 4-28-2014

[aikanae1]

Flavored e-juice might tempt children ..can't have that !!
Yeah right

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Just click on the picture and read the label's
But Vodka is OK

Nope. Can't have that.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Thanks Jake. Paigekoontz should get in here and edit the OP and Header on this thread. I was wondering why nothing from CASAA on this. Good to see there are more professional and cooler heads.

Edit: I don't know why there's underlining on some words in my post. I didn't underline anything. Just noticed it on some other posts now. Anyone else see the faint underling? or is something going on with my browser?

If you put your cursor on the underlined word it will give you the definition, which sometimes make no sense in the context you have used that it.

 

[pamdis]

And what are the crazy kids today eating that makes it so profitable to target them with antacids?

Alka-Seltzer | Upset Stomach, Heartburn & Acid Indigestion Relief

 

[Bobbilly]

Maybe we need to quit calling them E cigarettes and relating them to smoking. It is vaporizing. call this stuff Vaping equipment and vaping.

Totally agree. The farther vaping is distanced from tobacco and smoking the better. I'd go as far as removing anything that resembles a cigarette from being used

 

[myxomatosis]

Totally agree. The farther vaping is distanced from tobacco and smoking the better. I'd go as far as removing anything that resembles a cigarette from being used

I wouldn't have started vaping if it weren't for cigarette shaped batteries, initially. It doesn't matter what we call them, they're going to be compared to smoking - it's made to look like it, it's made to TH like it, in some instances made to taste like it. Makes sense that people who don't know any better cannot tell the difference.

Learn how to rebuild your atomizers and make your own juice - THIS is your ammo against unfair regulation.

 

[Sirius]

Just to note - CASAA runs their membership rolls and donation program separately.

The membership is run through their Constant Contact email database system and the reoccurring donations are run through PayPal. Discontinuing donations via PayPal does NOT cancel CASAA membership. To discontinue donations, one has to do that through their PayPal account. To cancel CASAA membership, one has to "unsubscribe" through the Constant Contact email list. They are completely separate things.

CASAA does not require donations to be a member, and certainly doesn't cancel your membership if you stop donating.

Hope this clears that up for y'all!

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This is what lead me to believe my membership was cancelled. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[CassiusCloud]

I wouldn't have started vaping if it weren't for cigarette shaped batteries, initially. It doesn't matter what we call them, they're going to be compared to smoking - it's made to look like it, it's made to TH like it, in some instances made to taste like it. Makes sense that people who don't know any better cannot tell the difference.

Learn how to rebuild your atomizers and make your own juice - THIS is your ammo against unfair regulation.

I found out about it from someone hitting on an ego..
Most around me at work found out about it because i am always using bigger mods and dripping and blow clouds at work..They got curious..

DYI is a personal ammo against regulation,for now.
It's only a matter of time before they come for DYI
Ego twist is what they are seeing more now,because vaping is becoming popular

It s important what it is called,because words associate things with another..
Politics is built around word games and confusion and manipulation.
E-cig was good for gaining traction,but it's time to slam it into 2nd gear and be seen for what it is..
Because it's about as close to smoking as an asthma inhaler is to smoking..

 

[Sirius]

I found out about it from someone hitting on an ego..
Most around me at work found out about it because i am always using bigger mods and dripping and blow clouds at work..They got curious..

DYI is a personal ammo against regulation,for now.
It's only a matter of time before they come for DYI
Ego twist is what they are seeing more now,because vaping is becoming popular

It s important what it is called,because words associate things with another..
Politics is built around word games and confusion and manipulation.
E-cig was good for gaining traction,but it's time to slam it into 2nd gear and be seen for what it is..
Because it's about as close to smoking as an asthma inhaler is to smoking..

I'm optimistic about DIY. I think that is eventually what we will all have to do. I'm not really worried about the mods as the whole reason they are even called mods is from the old flashlight modification devices that use to be used. Maybe go back to that Idk?

 

[MD_Boater]

Therein lies the problem, we have to find responsible adults. Nowadays most people seem to have to be told what they can do, what they should like, who they should vote for, all without a single bit of research on their own.

Therein lies the answer to the downfall of the US. We traded all of our responsible adults for progressives.

 

[Robino1]

It should come down on mom, not the millions of vapers and hundreds of vendors.

On another note, I completely, totally, and 100% understand where all the concern comes from. I share the same at times....but more on a broad notion, too much government power (not specifically related to this issue). However, I do feel that sometimes there is fear being perpetuated (possibly and likely unintentionally) on this and other pro-vaping sites. It is a scary notion FOR SURE, but there are so many people who are basically perpetuating the idea that yep the FDA and BT/BP is going to win, we are all going to say goodbye to our health and precious vaping implements and liquids. I think there is no precedence for this ATM anyway. I mean, is it not true that the FDA already tried to ban e-Cigs and failed...and didn't fail in a huge drawn out long legal battle. From what I have read, it was pretty simple...not enough evidence that eCiigs were harmful in the slightest bit and that more research needed to be done and in as much as "they" have been doing research so too have we as well as independent scientific studies are being conducted.

We all have to remember that the FDA is NOT the administration and that contrary to popular belief (and the way it legitimately seems sometimes) there is due process of government that is still respected and appreciated by a majority of the bureaucrats). I am not saying they can be trusted, but what I am saying is that I think we are giving way too much credit and are fortune telling too much and it is leading people (especially those who are vapers and are not involved in the movement so to speak) to become skiddish and start to question the movement. i.e. If these vapers are thinking it is all going to go away, them maybe they are right.

We also have to recognize and remember that this is a GRASSROOTS movement dealing with the unknown (at least to the uninformed) and that they usually start off slowly but end (or continue) like a snowball. The FDA isn't dumb...they know what they are dealing with, they know we are gaining in numbers and support, not just from users but from doctors, scientists, lawyers, politicians (yes, there are some...more than you probably think). They also know what they are hiding and what they are leaving out in their studies. They WANT and feel the NEED to be in control and are admittedly throwing the big guns at this thing, but I think personally that is a good sign that they are scared - they are scared they do not have enough which means they know we can gain the upper hand easily. I personally think with the numbers of new vapers every day...the success stories, the lack of any (real) scientific evidence towards eCigs being bad at all we will see a positive outcome, perhaps not full and unencumbered freedom but I don't think it will turn out as disastrous as some think.
I mean it is sort of like they have a certain mark that is acceptable to them but are aiming way past the mark so that after the dust settles they will have gotten at least as close to their acceptable mark as possible.

Positive thought, actions, and talk are extremely important in times of unknown and tribulation so the best thing we can do is try to stay positive, stay supportive of each other and of those who are trying their hardest to go directly head to head with these fools. Remain respectable, post and share your successes, communicate with your representative en masse and evangelize analog smokers at every turn. We do this and we will be too large to fail!

I did not intend this to be a flame against anyone who shares any opinions but have simply been wanting to share these particular thoughts I have been having and observations.

Mike

The FDA lost because they were seizing shipments of ecig stuff and calling it medical. The courts ruled that it is not medical and told the FDA they could regulate ecigs under tobacco.

Thanks Jake. Paigekoontz should get in here and edit the OP and Header on this thread. I was wondering why nothing from CASAA on this. Good to see there are more professional and cooler heads.

Edit: I don't know why there's underlining on some words in my post. I didn't underline anything. Just noticed it on some other posts now. Anyone else see the faint underling? or is something going on with my browser?

I see someone already told you what those lines are. ECF in its brilliance took the most used acronyms and linked them to an explanation of what those vaping terms mean. TH becomes throat hit in the bubble explanation that comes up when you hover your mouse over the word. Atty etc... It's fun to read sometimes

 

[CassiusCloud]

I'm optimistic about DIY. I think that is eventually what we will all have to do. I'm not really worried about the mods as the whole reason they are even called mods is from the old flashlight modification devices that use to be used. Maybe go back to that Idk?

Really i'm hoping we can hold them off for one more year to gain a lot more popularity so they will back off..then we can breathe much easier not have to fall back on DYI.
Vaping brought in 1.7 billion,more than doubling it's prior year again, that doubled the prior year.
It is projected to pass up the analog market before the decade is out.If we don't get knocked back.

I really think ,one more year and they won't be able to stop this train.

 

[Sirius]

The FDA lost because they were seizing shipments of ecig stuff and calling it medical. The courts ruled that it is not medical and told the FDA they could regulate ecigs under tobacco.

Oh really? That's hilarious! Thanks Robin hun I needed that laugh this morning!

 

[tj99959]

"Updates from the Center for Tobacco Products*

The FDA has not issued its proposed rule regarding what additional tobacco products should be regulated by the agency. We are aware that the Tobacco Vapor Electronic Cigarette Association has indicated publicly that they have a copy of our proposal. The proposal is still in draft form and under review. As a matter of policy, the FDA does not share draft rules with outside groups while a rule is still under review."

In other words TVECA got their teet stuck in the wringer.

 

[Sirius]

Really i'm hoping we can hold them off for one more year to gain a lot more popularity so they will back off..then we can breathe much easier not have to fall back on DYI.
Vaping brought in 1.7 billion,more than doubling it's prior year again, that doubled the prior year.
It is projected to pass up the analog market before the decade is out.If we don't get knocked back.

I really think ,one more year and they won't be able to stop this train.

Yeah I agree CC -- The longer the better. Hopefully this will be the last "doom is on" for e-cigs for awhile. lol

 

[tj99959]

Actually I dissagree to some extent.
The longer the FDA sits on their heels, the more state & local foolish laws that make no sense we will see.
So both edges are pretty sharp on that sword.

 

[Sirius]

Actually I dissagree to some extent.
The longer the FDA sits on their heels, the more state & local foolish laws that make no sense we will see.

You could be right TJ -- I damn near forgot about the Kidstapo and the Liberal media.

 

[CassiusCloud]

Some states are catching heat though,and at the half way point to elections, and a lot of voters being smokers and possible switched vapers in that time..
We may see some reversals on those quick draw laws they threw out there that are based on assumptions..
More time gives time for the public to get educated and see what this really is with more facts..then they can start to email the state district reps..

Non smokers have loved ones that smoke..get one smoker and those around them see how they improve..
That's gonna have an impact when they hear their loved ones may end up leaving a more healthy lifestyle..

i think states are more easily reversed than federal..

 

[zoiDman]

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DYI is a personal ammo against regulation,for now.
It's only a matter of time before they come for DYI

...

I don't see it so much as "they" will go after DIY.

PG, VG ,Food Flavorings and Sweeteners are used in Other Sectors. So their Regulation to in someway Regulate e-Liquid use is Unrealistic.

It's the Nicotine Base. Isn't that where the Real Concern should be?

 

[paigekoontz]

Thanks Jake. Paigekoontz should get in here and edit the OP and Header on this thread. I was wondering why nothing from CASAA on this. Good to see there are more professional and cooler heads.

Edit: I don't know why there's underlining on some words in my post. I didn't underline anything. Just noticed it on some other posts now. Anyone else see the faint underling? or is something going on with my browser?

Hey Sorry! This is my first thread ever so I'm still trying to figure out how use ECF and all the functions etc... I know how to edit my posts, I'm still trying to figure out how to edit the header. Help me?

 

[tj99959]

Edit: I don't know why there's underlining on some words in my post. I didn't underline anything. Just noticed it on some other posts now. Anyone else see the faint underling? or is something going on with my browser?

Move your mouse pointer to the underlined word and a definition will pop up.