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I know it, Classy and j0ker, I just wanted to submit an idea and that's all that I could think of. 
This size avatar would be nice.
This size avatar would be nice.
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I know it, Classy and j0ker, I just wanted to submit an idea and that's all that I could think of.
This size avatar would be nice.
I think this would make a really Kool avatar if you make the smoke moving.....and maybe put some squiggly thing hanging out of it's mouth!!
There is no really fun way to say this, but the animated avatars mess up tapatalk usability a lot.
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Back to the topic, I have slightly mixed but mainly uncomfortable feelings about this. I can sort of understand how the prospect of a Private Members Area might appeal to some, but... The notion of an 'exclusive little club' developing within ECF (in fact being encouraged to develop) bothers me for reasons I find it difficult to put into words but somehow it just does. In the eyes of us Brits the Yanks are always banging on about freedom and liberty but exclusion is just that - exclusion.
Sadly my income is so pathetic that I've long ago had to cut out all non-essentials in terms of expenditure and have never had sufficient disposable income (basically I don't have ANY) throughout my membership to be able to afford to subscribe. I'd love to have the flexibility to do so, but I just don't. Sadly, I'd doubt I'm the only member this might apply to.
Sadly my income is so pathetic that I've long ago had to cut out all non-essentials in terms of expenditure and have never had sufficient disposable income (basically I don't have ANY) throughout my membership to be able to afford to subscribe. I'd love to have the flexibility to do so, but I just don't. Sadly, I'd doubt I'm the only member this might apply to.
well, tetsab, you are a member of a restricted part of ecf ........ the vip forum created by sj!
do you get the feeling there of belonging to an exclusive club? i doubt it very much. most of the ecf vets are participating out in the open forum with just an occasional visit in the vets' forum, if they post there at all.
i doubt that a supporting members forum would be much different!
do you get the feeling there of belonging to an exclusive club? i doubt it very much. most of the ecf vets are participating out in the open forum with just an occasional visit in the vets' forum, if they post there at all.
i doubt that a supporting members forum would be much different!
Sorry Tetsab, but Tib is right. We already have an "exclusive" club with the Veteran's Forum and that hasn't affected participation in the rest of the forum at all. Also, this isn't a Yanks vs Brits issue, it's an ECF issue.
i dont see any yank vs brit issues on ECF to be honest. I get along famously with the Brits on staff and the token Canadian too
Come on, all you supporting members, post your comments here, or management may think that you don't care about having a private area.
I did post wayyyy back.
And I'm with some of others. I like the idea and it will work just about like the Veteran's Forum. The perks will be great too!!!
And I'm with some of others. I like the idea and it will work just about like the Veteran's Forum. The perks will be great too!!!
Post # 34, paragraphs #3 + 4's implications, and their acceptance, give me pause.
That sense of life portrays a distorted vision of how a profit is earned . The illusory success resulting from that vision is not earned; it's temporary nourishment from feeding on a host.
A subscribing member's .02.....
That sense of life portrays a distorted vision of how a profit is earned . The illusory success resulting from that vision is not earned; it's temporary nourishment from feeding on a host.
A subscribing member's .02.....
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Becoming a supporting member is a 'payment' for what people consider a value - basically the existence of the forum itself and how it's run. The few 'perks' - larger avi, PM space, while nice, aren't really big and I doubt anyone supports only for that. And I would think that the voluntary 'payment' for value, without the added perks might be more of incentive to keep ecf running better and might even encourage better communication in order to get more support - ie. create or maintain a value rather than offfering giveaways likely donated by someone else, and distributed unequally by luck. I'd rather save that trick for suppliers who want to generate business.
I don't know whether the forum now needs 'new funds' but if there has been a drop in support or even a drop in the percentage of support, then it is likely not because supporting members don't get enough benefits, but rather because the 'value' has lessened - slow page loading, other stuff. For me, it is 'other stuff' which can't be discussed. I suppose 'envy', as one poster posits for an incentive, might be a factor for some, but not anyone I'd care to hang around
and I have quite a few supporting member friends.
If it truly is a money thing for running ecf, then the whole site should become a pay site - perhaps with a 30 or x day trial. That would 'solve' any 'free rider' problems and likely reduce membership as well as cost, but at a price where it is profitable to run. The price would likely be less than the current membership rate but it would then be totally a thing of value and the incentive would be at the supply end - management - where it should be.
I don't know whether the forum now needs 'new funds' but if there has been a drop in support or even a drop in the percentage of support, then it is likely not because supporting members don't get enough benefits, but rather because the 'value' has lessened - slow page loading, other stuff. For me, it is 'other stuff' which can't be discussed. I suppose 'envy', as one poster posits for an incentive, might be a factor for some, but not anyone I'd care to hang around
and I have quite a few supporting member friends.If it truly is a money thing for running ecf, then the whole site should become a pay site - perhaps with a 30 or x day trial. That would 'solve' any 'free rider' problems and likely reduce membership as well as cost, but at a price where it is profitable to run. The price would likely be less than the current membership rate but it would then be totally a thing of value and the incentive would be at the supply end - management - where it should be.
I like the idea of perks for supporting members. I pay for 2 different horse clinicians clubs. Every month I get a DVD, also special area is set aside for club members on the websites. There is also discounts on the merchandise and free tickets to their clinics.
Now this forum is different, but special coupon codes would be nice. Maybe contests for SM only.
I think it would be a draw for new supporting members.
Now this forum is different, but special coupon codes would be nice. Maybe contests for SM only.
I think it would be a draw for new supporting members.
There's nothing wrong with perks. There is something wrong within a structure that thinks of its members not as assets but as expendables. The attitude (and explicit and implicit endorsement of it) I referenced earlier, combined with my previous sense that things have indeed changed here, lead me to believe long-term contributors at ECF will no longer be considered an asset.
Maybe because the vaping world is expanding the forum will be profitable via constant membership turnover. But the 'value' to ECF that long-term members are -- Knowledge -- shouldn't be discounted.
That is the root commodity exchanged here, whether it be attys, mods, liquids or politics.
ECF has given me value. I hope it will continue to do so.
Maybe because the vaping world is expanding the forum will be profitable via constant membership turnover. But the 'value' to ECF that long-term members are -- Knowledge -- shouldn't be discounted.
That is the root commodity exchanged here, whether it be attys, mods, liquids or politics.
ECF has given me value. I hope it will continue to do so.
This whole venture has nothing to do with exclusion as I previously mentioned. It has all to do with providing more "bang for the buck" for those that have chosen to support the forum. Will the particular members isolate themselves to the "exclusive" club? I seriously doubt it, the exclusive clubs we have now do now attribute to this idea.
This has nothing to do with raising more funds, not at all. In fact if we have no more subscribing members, that's ok. As mentioned above, we just want to do something for the SM that shows we appreciate their effort. Sure if may convince others to become SM but maybe they were already considering becoming a SM but felt it wasn't worth it. The point here is, the motive is to reward the SM's with something extra for their support.
Becoming a supporting member is a 'payment' for what people consider a value - basically the existence of the forum itself and how it's run. The few 'perks' - larger avi, PM space, while nice, aren't really big and I doubt anyone supports only for that. And I would think that the voluntary 'payment' for value, without the added perks might be more of incentive to keep ecf running better and might even encourage better communication in order to get more support - ie. create or maintain a value rather than offfering giveaways likely donated by someone else, and distributed unequally by luck. I'd rather save that trick for suppliers who want to generate business.
I don't know whether the forum now needs 'new funds' but if there has been a drop in support or even a drop in the percentage of support, then it is likely not because supporting members don't get enough benefits, but rather because the 'value' has lessened - slow page loading, other stuff. For me, it is 'other stuff' which can't be discussed. I suppose 'envy', as one poster posits for an incentive, might be a factor for some, but not anyone I'd care to hang around
If it truly is a money thing for running ecf, then the whole site should become a pay site - perhaps with a 30 or x day trial. That would 'solve' any 'free rider' problems and likely reduce membership as well as cost, but at a price where it is profitable to run. The price would likely be less than the current membership rate but it would then be totally a thing of value and the incentive would be at the supply end - management - where it should be.
As stated above, it's meant to be a "Thank You" for the subscribers, not some ploy to raise money. If that was the motive, I'm sure we could come up with something that would not require so much time and effort to develop.
Exactly. I belong to several other forums as well. Where I feel it beneficial to me and/or the community, I contribute but from those I always received a very nice perk(s) and this is where I got the idea. We really didn't have a special area for members who support, whereas I did on most all other sites I support. So this is where I got the idea.
This isn't a discussion over whether or not you think it should happen because it is. I didn't ask for opinions regarding the new area, I ask for suggestions, so I request that post from here out be "What you would like to see" in the new area. Opinions are no longer needed as they have no bearing on the request here.
So if anyone feels it's not a good idea, move on without posting. The new area is happening, we are just looking for ideas to combine with our own ideas....that's it.
Note: The only purpose for this new area is to give back to those who give, nothing else, not for more money, not for exclusion, not for anything but a Thank You. So stop the speculations that this has some kind of underhanded motive. Post your suggestions or move on.
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