filter for nic juice

[jasondavis48108]

I was reading some of your posts about home brewed nic juice and it sounded like the coffee filters were not doing a good enough job. I was thinking that maybe a camping style water purifier might do the trick some thing like this

http://www.amazon.com/Katadyn-8013618-P ... 633&sr=1-6

the only thing I don't know is if it would do too good a job and pull out the nicotine as well. Have to do some research on this but I might just have to give it a try. I really want to know what I'm putting in my lungs

 

[TropicalBob]

Too expensive for my wallet. As I understand it, the nicotine resides in the water, not the solids you want to get rid of, for the sake of both your atomizer and your lungs. The more particulates removed, the better. So this should work well and still leave behind whatever nicotine has transferred to the water.

The coffee filter just isn't fine enough, as I've experienced it. I want a paper lab filter, designed to filter particulates for science experiments. I'll get one (my wife works at a college), but it's taking time.

 

[Gunny]

TB, Have you looked into perlite as a filter substance? Very cheap and found at nurseries for it's horticultural contributions. Very diverse product, even used in pharmaceutical and food filtering.

REDCO II - Basic Facts about perlite

 

[TropicalBob]

Hmmm. No, hadn't considered that, but I'll look into it. Thanks.

 

[Nazareth]

Amazon must sell lab filters? No? I haven't checked

 

[TropicalBob]

If I ever cook tobacco again, I'm going with the idea I posted about putting the tobacco in sealable tea bags. No post-cooking filtering needed. But I now have concerns about tars cooking out of the tobacco (I sure got 'em!).

 

[dnakr]

Okay - no laughing - but I used a new pair of knee high pantyhose on my last experiment. I dumped the tobacco in tied it up and boiled it. Still got some particles but nothing like before.

 

[trog100]

can steam or e vapour carry solid particulates.. i think it cant.. real smoke certainly can and does.. but e liquid is boiled like water when steam is produced.. this re condenses back into pure liquid without the solid particulates.. nicotine is liquid.. all solid particulates would stay in the e smoking device.. this might clog things up but not pass into the lungs as a health hazard..

i could be off course here but its worth some thought..

trog

 

[TropicalBob]

Generally, if you can see something, the reason you see it is because of particles. You don't see gases, you see solids. If I can cook down tar in tobacco liquid, if I can see evidence of tar on filters ... then is there not a legitimate concern how much might make it through the filter on inhalation? Maybe no big deal. I don't know.

And my fret is mostly over failed homebrew experiments, not on what you use Trog. Many of us are working on DIY liquids now and sharing info. We may never be able to do this with confidence in the finished homebrew product.

I guess you could think of e-smoking exactly as my failed distillation. I got tar from tobacco liquid as I turned it into steam for distillation. If our atomizers are heaters, they do the same with the liquid in our cartridges. Now ... where does that tar go? If there's none to begin with -- can you say Janty? -- then no problem. If you're sucking E-Cig's liquid, you got a possible problem.

I'm not worrying about his, BTW. I continue to e-smoke, using old E-Cig liquids I ordered long ago. I need the nicotine, so I'll take the chance. In fact -- see Dr. Loi's newest post in Health -- we might should all worry more about sucking in great clouds of propylene glycol.

 

[karenwest1961]

I'm going to use cheesecloth as soon as I get it.

Amazon.com: Beyond Gourmet Unbleached Cheesecloth: Kitchen & Dining

 

[TropicalBob]

I think a big help will be using it to contain the tobacco, not to filter that liquid after cooking.

 

[trog100]

if u look close at the end of your kettle (the first inch away from the spout) bob u wont see anything.. thats the real pure water in its true gas form.. the "steam" u see is the gas turning back into pure water droplets as it cools.. its water droplets u see not particulates..

the same happens with e vapour the glycerol as a true gas when its still inside the atomizer) u wont see.. what u see is it turning back into liquid as it cools just like water will..

u are part right part wrong.. u cant see gas is correct.. but pure water as water droplets that u can see dosnt mean it contains particulates simply pure water in a semi state between liquid and gas..

so to think because u can see it means it has to contain particulates is way wrong.. so i hold my arguement.. can liquid freshly turned into gas by boilinig contaiin particulates..

i dont think it can.. as to where the tar goes.. i think it would stay in the kettle..

i think when people see the wool in a cart going brown and think this is evidence of contamination and then automatically "assume" this contamination passes into the lungs they are in essence wrong.. the wool is the first part of a filtering process.. the distillation of the liquid is the second part of the filtering process.. the result is pure liquid in vapour droplet form passing into the lungs..

in some way this dosnt matter.. but its a common subject and worries some people.. if the liquid conatins particulates it will end up in the lungs.. i am simply saying i dont think it will and their worries are groundless..

as for sh-tting up the device.. well thats a different matter.. if my theory is correct it certainly will..

trog

 

[karenwest1961]

u are part right part wrong

so to think because u can see it means it has to contain particulates is way wrong

i am simply saying i dont think it will and their worries are groundless..

The operative words here are "i don't think it will." So that line is where you are absolutely correct.
And using that correct line as a guide, to say anybody here is right or wrong or part right or wrong IS definitely wrong.

welcome back trog.

 

[TropicalBob]

I'm still waiting for Dr. Laugesen's VOC (volatile organic compounds) tests on the vapor. Only then will I rest easy on tars (and metals) in the vapor.

We are so paranoid in America, Trog, that corporations now use vapor sniffers the size of motorized toothbrushes to scan incoming mail. The vapor sniffer finds particulates in invisible air leaking from an envelope and beeps "anthrax" to its user. Honest. It can find a number of such leaking particulates escaping in what the makers call "vapor," including dynamite and other explosives that surely aren't being combusted!

I wish they'd test our e-cigs!

 

[trog100]

The operative words here are "i don't think it will." So that line is where you are absolutely correct.
And using that correct line as a guide, to say anybody here is right or wrong or part right or wrong IS definitely wrong.

welcome back trog.

i "think" the logic is wrong karen.. and my thinking is based on some knowledge.. yours quite clearly isnt.. if u do have some real insight or knowledge of the subect.. join it.. if not keep your silly remarks to yourself..

the wise man thinks so does the village idiot.. some thinking is worth more than others.. the problem with forums is both have equal say.. a super member is arrived at by the number of posts he makes.. not by the quality of them..

herd mentality rules the day and the whole thing is controlled by some members ganging up on others.. kind of silly places really but if i wasnt addicted to them i would shed the habit..

glad to be back karen..

trog

 

[TropicalBob]

Well, I can't discuss this with you, Trog, because science is our route to Truth. If a researcher publishes a silly study or finding, his or her peers come down with both feet! That's the way it works. Not being a Pope, I lack Divine Conversation to reveal Truth to me. I depend on good science that stands the test of peer review.

You are free to depend on instinct, or gut, or illogic if you like.

No more arguments from me on this. I'll post the science links when something needs to be annotated. And I'll believe the findings. You can poo-poo them and call them names if you like.

 

[karenwest1961]

i "think" the logic is wrong karen.. and my thinking is based on some knowledge.. yours quite clearly isnt.. if u do have some real insight or knowledge of the subect.. join it.. if not keep your silly remarks to yourself..

the wise man thinks so does the village idiot.. some thinking is worth more than others.. the problem with forums is both have equal say.. a super member is arrived at by the number of posts he makes.. not by the quality of them..

herd mentality rules the day and the whole thing is controlled by some members ganging up on others.. kind of silly places really but if i wasnt addicted to them i would shed the habit..

glad to be back karen..

trog

I tire. Moderator?

 

[Spider]

How did it go from "cheesecloth" to this?