Five Pawns now has a $38 for a 30ml bottle of juice

[Ohio Points]

Condemnation without investigation is the highest form of ignorance

Where did I read that?


Time to find some unicorns..and feed them beans!

No condemning here, just a lighthearted joke, but seeing as how ultra-sensitive people are on the internets and how easily feewins get hurt, I apologize to any and all that were offended by my use of angels and unicorns...

Also no need to investigate premade juices... I DIY!

Now where do i get those oak barrel aged beans?

 

[Jack Pappas]

Hilarious read. I've seen better manners in the religion threads over in OUTSIDE (where the posts don't count).

Sitting here vaping a $0.15 ml DIY of Boba's clone #7 that I made with a 100% VG Whole tobacco Extraction and TFA flavorings. Something I have never even come close to in quality from ANY vendor (including the original from AVE). And lmao off at all those arguing whether or not they should pay for Jordache Skinny Jeans or Levi Boot Cut.

You can argue over whether or not you go out and indulge in The Olive Garden or go to Walmart for a bottle of Ragu while I enjoy my pot of Marinara cooked over a low flame for a full day right here at home.

 

[Altaire Versailles]

Hilarious read. I've seen better manners in the religion threads over in OUTSIDE (where the posts don't count).

Sitting here vaping a $0.15 ml DIY of Boba's clone #7 that I made with a 100% VG Whole Tobacco Extraction and TFA flavorings. Something I have never even come close to in quality from ANY vendor (including the original from AVE). And lmao off at all those arguing whether or not they should pay for Jordache Skinny Jeans or Levi Boot Cut.

You can argue over whether or not you go out and indulge in The Olive Garden or go to Walmart for a bottle of Ragu while I enjoy my pot of Marinara cooked over a low flame for a full day right here at home.

Some folks dont want to try and make a Bobas clone, they want Bobas, and only having to pay 15 cents a ml isnt a selling point because they have a normal amount of income where they afford 30 dollars for something they want. Which Im guessing may be whats behind your comments seeing how you consider the 12.99 buy-any-three-items frozen dinner type specials that a chain restaurant like Olive Garden sells to be an "indulgence" lol

I mean thats whats killing me about this thread, people keep getting on here and trying to poke fun at the intelligence of someone for paying a dollar per ml for a liquid, when its not really insulting to the people buying it, its actually insulting the people making the statement because it says more about how sour grapes of a person you have to be to get mad at people who the price point isnt an issue for like it is for you. The fact people cant even fathom spending this honestly meager amount on juice, that the concept of that is soooooooooooo ridiculous, that says alot. But not about 5 pawns customers.

Is it dumb to shop at Whole Foods? To buy natural and organic ingredients that may cost 50 to 100% more than at the grocery store? If the grocery store or fast food pre-processed overly salted foods that are made of more corn syrup and chemicals than food are what youre accustomed to, then yes. But if you appreciate the taste of good real food, and you arent going to be living on the street to buy it, then no. Its not a decision you even need to make. You just eat better because you can.

Youre not gonna convince somebody who has it, where it genuinely isnt the slightest issue to spend 30 dollars on juice whenever they want, that theyre gullible because they buy whatever they want to buy. Youre also not gonna convince them about the thriftiness of trying to make imitations of the juices to save money when saving money isnt an issue.

 

[lasttango]

indulge in The Olive Garden

dude, bad metaphor ;-) is it possible to indulge in or at the olive garden? I'd rather eat 4 year old dekang sprayed on newspaper or perhaps the walmart ragu ;-) the olive garden is nasty and insulting to Italian food.

Wow, this thread is still alive and kicking hard.

I thought we all unanimously agreed that it was totally worth it if you totally liked it...

like totally...

 

[Mr.Mann]

You're also not gonna convince them about the thriftiness of trying to make imitations of the juices to save money when saving money isn't an issue.

It is funny that people will come in here (not even a DIY thread) and talk about their Boba's Clone (still, not a BB clone thread, or a DIY thread) and feel like their proving something by telling us how cheap their $ per mL is. I got news for anyone reading this, and yes, I have DIYed--DIYing is cheap, but only in the long run (unless you only make simple liquids). The time and, yes, MONEY up front ain't cheap. The time, and that is money too, is plentiful. If the BB #7 was the seventh attempt, I imagine the first 6 didn't happen in a night and all those supplies weren't as cheap as the end product. Yes, the price per mL is cheap to DIY, but that's after ALL of the other money and time went into it. And as AV alluded to, it's still someone else's idea. Coming from me, an artist, I prefer either making my own original work, or purchasing someone else's original work. Copying is cool but, not the same as creating, it's copying.

And, why has nobody talked about a 5P clone? Maybe because they would have to purchase, or actually try it first. Jordace or Levi boot cut? Uhh, I'll let that one ride solely on manners.

There is a DIY forum and I don't see pre-made liquid buyers going into that forum to tell those that copy (not all DIYers are obsessed with copying) their liquid is cheap and no good. That's tacky. I applaud DIYers, but no need to try and exalt one while minimizing other's choices. Even if we argue over here in this forum about this or that, so what? At least we're on topic.

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Anyway, I don't know if anyone esle has noticed this about 5P, but I actually like their low nic liquids better than their high nic. That is very strange to me. I am a high nic vaper (generally 24 mg or up), but with 5P, I fell in love with their 6 mg, but not so much their 18 mg (and that's still a tad low for me). I think this is because there is such flavor saturation to their liquids, the nic obscured it at higher concentrations. Dunno.

 

[lasttango]

I finally.... finally got to try Pluid... and this was a big deal for me.. because I have been vaping licorice, absinthe and anise since before the ego was released... and then... boom! Pluid comes out - the end all be all of absinthe flavored juices... and I can't get any for like a year...

Now, I finally got some.

...and let's be honest...

Mad Murdock uses the same high quality nic and base that many other vendors use... he likely uses flavorings that some other vendors use...

but he's got this unique, proprietary recipe that no one else has quite nailed.

I am loving this stuff.

For me, it lives up to the hype...

I want to marry it.

So, would I pay $40 for 30mls of this stuff?

Yeah, if the mood caught me on a payday week, I would...

Not because it's gourmet, higher quality or has extra expensive ingredients...

Rather.... because it's unique and I can't buy anything I like as much.

I see 5 pawns the same way...

despite the fact they likely mark up due to fancy packaging etc... but that's besides the point.

Whether it's good or not, it is a bit different... and worth it to those who love it.

whether people are buying it because of ignorance about eliquid quality or because they like it or because they think the bottle looks sexy in their hands... it offers something to someone that is worth the extra $8...

must this argument continue?

I know of greater travesties in the vaping world...

like... did you know there are vendors that claim to have unique and amazing flavors... yet all they are doing is squirting a flavor or two in a bottle of cheap nic and base... their mark up is insane... they want 16-20 bucks for literally squirting twelve cents worth of flavoring into thirty cents worth of base and nic... I guess what gets me about these people is they actually put time and effort into their websites and descriptions...

As evil as anyone thinks 5 pawns is... I am pretty sure after sampling their inventory that they do a lot more than some of these other turkeys... at least 5 pawns tries.

with that said, I probably still won't be buying their liquid unless I get a massive craving for absolute pin...

 

[Altaire Versailles]

dude, bad metaphor ;-) is it possible to indulge in or at the olive garden? I'd rather eat 4 year old dekang sprayed on newspaper or perhaps the walmart ragu ;-) the olive garden is nasty and insulting to Italian food.

Wow, this thread is still alive and kicking hard.

I thought we all unanimously agreed that it was totally worth it if you totally liked it...

like totally...

lol I know I had to literally lol at the Olive Garden being the high end of the culinary spectrum for him, theyre on the level of like, Mcdonalds, they dont even cook most of their food at the restaurant, its flavorless reheated frozen crap from a food distributor.

And we did agree it was worth it if you think its worth it, but the hate is strong with the anti-5 pawns crowd, they wont be denied the satisfaction of everyone else being as miserly about e juice. 5 pawns must be stopped along with all its acolytes!!!

 

[Jerms]

Hilarious read. I've seen better manners in the religion threads over in OUTSIDE (where the posts don't count).

Sitting here vaping a $0.15 ml DIY of Boba's clone #7 that I made with a 100% VG Whole Tobacco Extraction and TFA flavorings. Something I have never even come close to in quality from ANY vendor (including the original from AVE). And lmao off at all those arguing whether or not they should pay for Jordache Skinny Jeans or Levi Boot Cut.

You can argue over whether or not you go out and indulge in The Olive Garden or go to Walmart for a bottle of Ragu while I enjoy my pot of Marinara cooked over a low flame for a full day right here at home.

Spending all that time and effort to make a clone of an already available, averagely decent juice makes as much sense to me as spending time and effort to make a meal exactly like... ummm... Olive Garden?

The DIYers that come into this section spouting this kind of nonesense gives me a bad taste in my mouth about DIYers in general. I try to remind myself.. a few bad apples doesn't represent all of them. I'm sure on a whole they are great people. But, since I don't DIY I don't go into their section to read. I only see the ones, that for whatever reason, come into this section to mock people who buy pre-made juices.

I know one thing, if I got into DIY it would be to make my own recipes, not to make exact replicas of other juices.

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[RobinBanks]

I know one thing, if I got into DIY it would be to make my own recipes, not to make exact replicas of other juices.

That's what is drawing me to DIY. I'm waiting a bit because I know I will spend and likely waste a LOT of money doing it, though. I want to try my hand at creating flavor blends I can't find pre-made.

 

[Jerms]

That's what is drawing me to DIY. I'm waiting a bit because I know I will spend and likely waste a LOT of money doing it, though. I want to try my hand at creating flavor blends I can't find pre-made.

I can see enjoying that too, maybe sometime in the future. It would be totally changing my hobby from tasting, evaluating, and enjoying juices to a lot of time spent creating. It's like the switch of going from a foodie to a chef.

I have access to some truly amazing vendor juices, and I wouldn't be happy until my creations met or exceeded those. I can cook a pretty damn good meal from scratch, but my first efforts where total crap; I have a feeling it would be the same with DIY. It would take time for me to learn what flavorings to use and how to use them. For me to create new, unique, complex, and delicious flavors would take the time, effort, and money I'm not willing to do yet.

Or I could use online recipes and make clones of existing juices to save a few pennies, but that just doesn't appeal to me at all.

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[ckone180]

lol I know I had to literally lol at the Olive Garden being the high end of the culinary spectrum for him, theyre on the level of like, Mcdonalds, they dont even cook most of their food at the restaurant, its flavorless reheated frozen crap from a food distributor.

And we did agree it was worth it if you think its worth it, but the hate is strong with the anti-5 pawns crowd, they wont be denied the satisfaction of everyone else being as miserly about e juice. 5 pawns must be stopped along with all its acolytes!!!

I do not "hate" 5P, nor do I care if you purchase their products. I was just filling in an opinion that was not listed.

However, Olive Garden does indeed make most of their food in house, though food distributors provide them some short cuts. Most any chain restaurant will not duplicate authentic tastes and flavors, because most Americans prefer an American twist on foreign recipes. I can not believe how many people eat Chinese food from places that clearly do not mimic anything considered authentic. Though they stay busy.

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[lasttango]

yeah, I remember being in high school and wandering in china town in Boston... and I was dead set on eating authentic chinese food... wow... big mistake... Nothing on the the authentic menu was anything I could bring myself to eat... not saying it was gross... just animals and parts of animals that I have never been exposed to here in the usa...

...and this was right after spending a month in nepal and india... I thought I was pretty open-minded about food.

oh yeah, back to the olive garden - Forgive my snarky, snobby crap... just kidding around... it's edible. I'm spoiled on the east coast... lived in NYC, Boston, Phili, Jersey and the home of the best american/italian food in the world: New Haven. CT (Area) (west Haven, North Haven, East Haven, SHelton, Derby etc)... so I am biased with Italian food. If it was 1979 and I still lived in Arizona, I would definitely hit the olive garden up. (dang, that sounded snarky too - apologies... I have issues)

Back to 5-Pawns:
I re-read all of my posts in this thread and I can't tell what side I am on...

I guess it comes down to this... I am not a fan of any e-liquid company claiming to be something they are not... mis-educating people... ...and in the case of 5-pawns... they are not doing this. They are selling a good and unique e-liquid for only $6-$8 per 30mls more than other similar quality businesses... but... they are targeting retail and competing against people who rebrand and sell cheapie liquids at a similar or even higher price... they are also matching the flare of their packaging with some unique and ambitious recipes...

I think if 5-Pawns sold their juice for $18-$22 I'd be all over it... and not think twice about any of my former criticisms...

I think 5 pawns is innocent of trying to bilk and deceive the juice community.

I think many of us that are being critical just want the newbie to know that there isn't anything magical in e-liquid. There's grades of quality... and in my opinion, that quality maxes out around $20+/- per 30ml unless we are bringing in some interesting and unique extractions that I do not know exist (possible wta... or nets made with expensive cigars etc)

I think the newbie should just be aware that what they are paying for is a flavor they really like... and I think this doesn't need to be defended...

I don't think that we are really at a point (yet) where their is anything in the process of making e-liquid that could equate it as an art form/craft on par with wines, cheeses and fine tobaccos. I think that we might get there one day... but the science... the chemistry the available flavorings and ingredients aren't quite there yet. (and I am truly not qualified to say this because I am no science guy)

I think of it more like... on par with lollipops, hard candies and candles.

...and for the talented diyer... they are not going to buy the same/similar quality juice at $18-$22 anyway... cause they are happy making juice for pennies. I envy the people happy with their own diy...

I just bought some more unflavored nic from Xtremevaping and I am having better luck... but... I still suck.

 

[Altaire Versailles]

I do not "hate" 5P, nor do I care if you purchase their products. I was just filling in an opinion that was not listed.

However, Olive Garden does indeed make most of their food in house, though food distributors provide them some short cuts. Most any chain restaurant will not duplicate authentic tastes and flavors, because most Americans prefer an American twist on foreign recipes. I can not believe how many people eat Chinese food from places that clearly do not mimic anything considered authentic. Though they stay busy.

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American twist= read: devoid of flavor

why? because complex flavors mean higher costs, more expensive ingredients and hiring talent other than untrained high school kids to cook them properly, which as a corporate business you have no reason to do when your clientele are mainly mouth breathers satisfied to sit down on your grimy seats to eat canned marinara and dried pasta with frozen shrimp and vegetables. For 12.99. Rather have that Ragu. Yecchhh, never mind. Rather not eat.

About Olive Garden doing "mostly" fresh cooking in the kitchen? BWAAHHHAHHAHHA No. Just no. Pardonne moi. No. I havent been there in over 15 years but chains dont change, they pride themselves on thier consistency and they were making mass produced assembly line foods from the freezer then, I seriously doubt theyve changed thier tune.

 

[ckone180]

American twist= read: devoid of flavor

why? because complex flavors mean higher costs, more expensive ingredients and hiring talent other than untrained high school kids to cook them properly, which as a corporate business you have no reason to do when your clientele are mainly mouth breathers satisfied to sit down on your grimy seats to eat canned marinara and dried pasta with frozen shrimp and vegetables. For 12.99. Rather have that Ragu. Yecchhh, never mind. Rather not eat.

About Olive Garden doing "mostly" fresh cooking in the kitchen? BWAAHHHAHHAHHA No. Just no. Pardonne moi. No. I havent been there in over 15 years but chains dont change, they pride themselves on thier consistency and they were making mass produced assembly line foods from the freezer then, I seriously doubt theyve changed thier tune.

I have no idea what expertise you claim to have, but I've worked in OG kitchens for several years. I didn't say that they're recipes or concoctions are good, I said that they do make most of their food in the kitchens. It's not an opinion. Had you used Chili's in place of OG, I would agree.
American twist does not always equal less flavor. In many cases American twist can be considered over flavoring. Depends on the dish. I was simply correcting a bit of misinformation is all.

The use of short cuts in lieu of better quality is more for hiring less talented staff and quicker to the window times. The costs for the short cuts (pre-pared foods) are higher, though the labor wage and time are cut considerably.

 

[RobinBanks]

All of this caused me to buy a bottle of Gambit and crave unlimited soup and breadsticks. THANKS FOR NOTHING, EVERYONE!

 

[Altaire Versailles]

I have no idea what expertise you claim to have, but I've worked in OG kitchens for several years. I didn't say that they're recipes or concoctions are good, I said that they do make most of their food in the kitchens. It's not an opinion. Had you used Chili's in place of OG, I would agree.
American twist does not always equal less flavor. In many cases American twist can be considered over flavoring. Depends on the dish. I was simply correcting a bit of misinformation is all.

The use of short cuts in lieu of better quality is more for hiring less talented staff and quicker to the window times. The costs for the short cuts (pre-pared foods) are higher, though the labor wage and time are cut considerably.

Im sorry dude. I know thats not true. They might reheat it and plate it in the kitchen, but they are not chopping up fresh ingredients and cooking in the kitchen anymore than Taco Hell is mincing beef behind the counter. There isnt any sides of pork or crabs on the cutting boards in Olive garden. Theres nobody dicing veggies. Thats what I mean when I say cooking. Putting fresh ingredients together and applying heat, not taking stuff out of boxes.

 

[ckone180]

Im sorry dude. I know thats not true. They might reheat it and plate it in the kitchen, but they are not chopping up fresh ingredients and cooking in the kitchen anymore than Taco Hell is mincing beef behind the counter. There isnt any sides of pork or crabs on the cutting boards in Olive garden. Theres nobody dicing veggies. Thats what I mean when I say cooking. Putting fresh ingredients together and applying heat, not taking stuff out of boxes.

They're not making stuff from scratch, that's for sure. They do have employees arrive at 5-6 am to begin prep work, which includes preparing soups, sauces and such. They make the soups and sauces in bulk via steam kettles, then bag separately and vacuum seal them. They then place those bags in the walk in cooler, and when needed, take them out and warm them via a tilt skillet. These products are not delivered frozen, nor assembled. Do they use canned products as ingredients? Yes. Are all ingredients canned? No. Are all ingredients prepared to go into the mix already prepared? No. They cook meats and cut them in the kitchen. Are the meats frozen before cooking? I do not know. I do know they used to peel and devein shrimps on site, and that was a time consuming task. Their kitchens wouldn't need to be so large if all they had to do was reheat items.

Chilis, because I referenced them earlier, microwaves many of their sides. I do not like that at all. However, they do cut and fry their chips in house. Why do they not buy pre made chips? Most likely because its a signature item, and many people base opinions on the popular items.

They strive for consistency, though different restaurants have a very small part in inconsistencies. The same as McDs. Once again, this doesn't equate to a tasty product for everyone. I do not eat at OG, but they do have a waiting line often.

TL;DR Why are we discussing OG and McDs?

 

[ClippinWings]

As evil as anyone thinks 5 pawns is...

... at least 5 pawns tries.

I know I said I was stepping away from this thread... But...

A-freakin-men!!!!



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[ClippinWings]

All of this caused me to buy a bottle of Gambit and crave unlimited soup and breadsticks. THANKS FOR NOTHING, EVERYONE!

Ha! A convert...

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[Frankenmizer]