Five Year User JC Red Oak Domestic - Spending $$$$ on garbage - Help?
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You mentioned a couple that were good but too strong, they might be salvageable. You can dilute them with 18mg unflavored VG base and possibly wind up with something palatable. It takes a week or two for the flavors to fully incorporate into the virgin VG, but I do it occasionally and it works. VG is also naturally sweet so it will slightly increase the sweetness of the mix.
Over here you can easily get unflavored VG in whatever nic concentration you want, I assume it can be obtained on that side of the pond as well. If not I can provide links to US vendors for unflavored base. You can also just get straight USP/EP grade VG (Glycerol) locally which will lower the nic concentration, but should be OK for testing before going out and ordering anything.
The NETs you found weak should kick up a little after a few weeks of steeping.
PG is not anti-freeze, that's ethylene glycol. Not that it really matters if you're sensitive to it, might as well be anti-freeze.
Good luck in your continuing quest.
Agree…but not necessarily mutually exclusive. The nic may exacerbate the PG effect (did for skeptical me). I was able to gain some PG tolerance as I dropped my nic level (not that I'm a fan of either or anything of the sort). Can take 'em or leave 'em these days.
You make a good point CC. It needs to be in context. There may be other dependent interactions particularly re net pH (with respect to nic, alkalinity). I'm no chemist but these were noted factors in my own sensitivity. So hope Rose will ultimately not dismiss your suggestion, even as I did myself for quite a while.
There comes a point where you just have to make a juice work…and you do. Maybe it's not the same. Sometimes, patiently, it's far better.
Good luck.
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Sad???? Its the end of the F-ing world to me!
Thanks for the "good luck" I think I will need it. I think I have exceeded £1000 since JC closed which includes shipping and import customs and I still haven't found one that pleases me like Domestic does.
I still have 40ml of Domestic and I each time I crack a new bottle out I almost cry !
I have two e cigs on my PC desk one has Domestic in and the other has my "best of a bad bunch" in it (More on that below) - Sometimes I will pick up the Domestic filled device without thinking and as I exhale it's like:
"OMG that's so good!.....aawwwww ....! that's Domestic and I won't have any soon!"
Then I have to push myself back to the other device filled with liquid that is tolerable... but not enjoyable... lol
Its pathetic I know but I can't help what I like and what I don't....furthermore.... things have gotten more complicated than I had anticipated....
Initially I had started to assume I was just being a fussy ..... but it's more complicated than that. I am sensitive to PG even in the slightest amounts and that's probably why I settled on the Red Oak range in the first place all the way back in 2012/13 - Instant dizziness followed by a dull headache - sometimes even heartburn!
I do not recall being THIS sensitive to e liquid when I came off real ciggies - I DO recall numb tongue and occasional headaches but I think having only ever vaped Red Oak all these years which is known for being 100% PG free (including the flavours) has increased my sensitivity to PG.
Plus PG is anti freeze no? VG made from plants.. seems obvious to me which is the most kindest on the body
Anyway, my £1K search for the elusive authentic tobacco with a subtle sweetness no after taste or perfume.
I would have gladly stopped the search at House Of Liquid, they have some excellent tobacco flavours but 60/40 VG/PG so that was a "no go" due to the headaches and dizziness. But the taste was spot on and I would have stopped the search there.
Indigo Vapor.com - Tobacco flavours are authentic in taste but even that MAX VG has around 10% PG - Tried The Duke - banging headache after 4 pulls.
Blacknote were another excellent product but again 50/50 Vg/PG - No good.
Had two large sample orders from Naturally Extracted Tobacco LLC and in all honesty this is the company that had the correct formula. No smell or not much when you opened the bottles, taste is subtle almost hard to detect but I think I would have picked them up in time and no after taste or sickly taste. Spot on. However....
I tried 10/90 PG/VG and I still felt dizzy with a headache that followed. The second order I tried 100% VG and whilst I am not as dizzy the headache still follows so I wrote to them and I am waiting to hear if they use PG in their flavours or as part of their extraction.
{I wonder if over time I could adjust to the tiny % of PG in the flavours? I am hoping so - I have kept the 50 5ml tester bottles from NET LCC because if I can somehow adjust and overcome the annoying sensitivity to what must be a very tiny % of PG then I am confident they have "the one"}
I have wasted so much money on juices advertised as MAX VG and I had to throw immediately due to my PG sensitivity. No point trying and possibly liking one if it makes me dizzy and sick.
Others I tried and couldn't stomach purely because they have too much sickly smell or after taste even after steeping were Kais Virgin Vapour and Alien Visions and some others that advertised as "MAX VG" which I forget but clearly they had PG in. I am not exaggerating when I say I have binned must be 80 bottles of new tobacco e liquid some not even opened as I realised they had PG in after I ordered.
Ones that don't give me headaches and/or make me dizzy are:
Virgin Vapours - flavours are too much too strong too sickly and not very authentic to me anyway
Alien Visions - same only worse
Velvet Cloud - White Beard It's Okay, but again the taste/small is too strong and after a while I got sick of tasting it. I've kept it as a possible "go to"
Burly Beard - I had high hopes for this but turns out it's not what I had hoped. No sweetness at all I literally couldn't vape it, too savoury and too "much" even after steeping.
I love a coffee vape and tried Double Espresso by Virgin Vapor - smelt divine - tasted over bearing sickly sweet - threw it away.
The one I have whittled down to because it doesn't make me dizzy or ill and leaves no after taste is
Kind Juice - Tobacco Ridge Range - Viva La Libertad which is described as a cigar flavour - I cannot really taste much at all which is better than tasting too much, to me at least. I am an "all day vaper" - not a chain vaping monster but I vape at the PC where I work and I like to use the same juice so it has to be an "all day" flavour.
The important feature for the Tobacco Ridge - Viva La Libertad is good TH and no after taste but again, not much to taste in the first place. I have the full range from their Tobacco Ridge and originally enjoyed to a degree Patriots Brew but again after a while its gets too much, the smell and tastes starts to grate.
I have another large order coming from Heathers Heavenly Vapes - Purity (Second large order as I originally ordered VG dominant in ignorance of my PG sensitivity) and another £100+ order which contains some from Vape Organics and Vape Green, but I have lost hope really. I DO recall Heathers Heavenly Vapes NET liquids smelling nice but I did not even try the first order (Which I binned without trying as I had ordered 10% PG mix) so maybe there will be one in there.
My real hope is that I can overcome this annoying sensitivity to Naturally Extracted Tobacco LLC liquids because they are 100% VG but I suspect they extract flavours using PG which means there's a tiny % in there that is giving me a headache. I will keep trying them and hope I adjust because those are pure from perfume and after taste.
I know I must sound like a totally fussy cow but I can't help that I get headaches with PG and have a refined palate lol...
Truly get you. Liked the entire Red Oak line. Settled into JCTC as found it to be more universally liked as a sampler in my coil eval's with the public. Grew as attached to it as you.
You would have liked AV's Gorilla Juice moderately blended with Boba's Bounty. Halo's Tribeca with it's PG helped get me close but had to vape it at very low power. Boba's got me over the hump in the first few months I was vaping. As with JC their formula drastically changed.
Heard nothing but good things from sensitives on HHV's offerings. Only had a chance to sample it once at one of the Tampa shows as I recall. Give us your impressions would you please? And again…
Good luck.
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Truly get you. Liked the entire Red Oak line. Settled into JCTC as found it to be more universally liked as a sampler in my coil eval's with the public. Grew as attached to it as you.
You would have liked AV's Gorilla Juice moderately blended with Boba's Bounty. Halo's Tribeca with it's PG helped get me close but had to vape it at very low power. Boba's got me over the hump in the first few months I was vaping. As with JC their formula drastically changed.
Heard nothing but good things from sensitives on HHV's offerings. Only had a chance to sample it once at one of the Tampa shows as I recall. Give us your impressions would you please? And again…
Good luck.
I *think* (hope) the stuff from NET LLC will eventually ease off with the annoying dull headache
They are 100% VG mix with NET tobacco but I guess that doesn't automatically assume there is no PG in the NET flavours.
Anyhoo... I keep vaping at those liquids in my eRoll (original) *laughs* and I think today the headache was not as quick or as bad as yesterday.
Its like many things in life, initially you get side effects until your body adjusts...
Thats my hopes.
Those liquids are truly authentic at NET LLC ive only tried a random 2 from a bunch of about 50 sample bottles and BOTH are Okay...more or less Domestic...just the niggling hangover that is putting me off but I will keep at it and hope it passes
TY !
No, not antifreeze. At one time, it was an ingredient in some antifreezes, but that doesn't make it dangerous, or worse for you than VG. In fact, it might be the more rigorously studied of the two. It is the vehicle of choice for pharmaceutical inhaling products, and many other uses. Hospitals have used them in their ventilation systems to ensure safer breathing environment.
Propylene Glycol in E-Cigarettes – Is PG Dangerous to Inhale?
That said, I don't use it either. I believe far more people experience PG sensitivity than VG. In most instances, it manifests itself in throat soreness. In my case, it affects my mouth tissue, and not the throat. Kind of makes me feel like I burned my mouth on hot food. I don't worry about the flavorings containing it, because I'm not that sensitive to it. But if I use, say, a 50/50 mix, it starts feeling pretty bad after only one tank. Even if I overdo it and chain vape with max vg, I start to feel it.
And not all flavorings contain pg. If you buy them from Nicotine River, they publish the MSDS, which shows the % of various chemicals, including PG. For instance, one of the tobacco flavors I use has 7% PG, another 0.6%. I believe it's pretty common, but not universal, to use PG as part of the extraction process for NETs.
And Coastal Cowboy is right - I've never heard of anyone getting dizziness or a headache from PG, but those are the most common symptoms of nic overdose. You should test that, and it may open up a lot more options for you to choose from.
Truly get you. Liked the entire Red Oak line. Settled into JCTC as found it to be more universally liked as a sampler in my coil eval's with the public. Grew as attached to it as you.
You would have liked AV's Gorilla Juice moderately blended with Boba's Bounty. Halo's Tribeca with it's PG helped get me close but had to vape it at very low power. Boba's got me over the hump in the first few months I was vaping. As with JC their formula drastically changed.
Heard nothing but good things from sensitives on HHV's offerings. Only had a chance to sample it once at one of the Tampa shows as I recall. Give us your impressions would you please? And again…
Good luck.
I thought Bobas was no longer available? I bought their stand in Number 39 - not for me... again too artificial and sickly.
Not heard of AV Gorilla Juice ....
I heard about JCs hiccup due to new regulations - I managed to buy a bulk of older stock from the UK in the hopes they would get their act together by the time my bulk buy had run out....turns out they upped and left by the time my bulk buy ran out! Didn't see that coming! Wish they had given me and others the chance to buy stock - apparently it was "all over" within half a day
Yea i did read that when I Google "headache when vaping" and it did say nicotine. I have to say the symptoms associated with PG are not what I am experiencing.
It starts with the very first draw as very mild light headedness, that soon passes and a dull headache and tinnitus kicks in. Not all liquids I have sampled recently do this the only common denominator is the PG.
The NET liquid I am currently using is the same nic as the Domestic Ive vaped for 5 years and I am using the same old antiquated "eRoll" device so i reckon I am not vaping more than 2ml a day.
Trust me to find "the one" and get a reaction to it.
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Happy Thanksgiving all.
Good luck.
Happy Thanksgiving all.
Good luck.
Yeah, lots of ingredients, lots of variables...hard to know what ingredient in various juices might be affecting you. Nic might be delivered to your brain more efficiently in some mixes. But hey, you're moving on from JC Red Oak, maybe it's time to (God forbid!) move on from eRoll - you might have developed a long-term sensitivity to it, or it just doesn't play well with "modern" juices.
Seriously, though - you probably are, but make sure the products you're trying are very well-shaken. VG resists mixing well, and you could be getting a "pocket" of high nic concentration with some of the more freshly made juices.
edit - new server is flipping out.
Even easier - I just take a snip of the pic on my computer and right-click/paste. This works fine if you're not on your phone, of course.
Just found this....I am waiting on a batch from HHV and the part where he says: "HHV flavor from extract made in-house without a single hint of perfume, chemical, or floral. Yes, it is a NET (Naturally Extracted Tobacco)"
is EXACTLY how I like my liquid...
Yeah, lots of ingredients, lots of variables...hard to know what ingredient in various juices might be affecting you. Nic might be delivered to your brain more efficiently in some mixes. But hey, you're moving on from JC Red Oak, maybe it's time to (God forbid!) move on from eRoll - you might have developed a long-term sensitivity to it, or it just doesn't play well with "modern" juices.
Seriously, though - you probably are, but make sure the products you're trying are very well-shaken. VG resists mixing well, and you could be getting a "pocket" of high nic concentration with some of the more freshly made juices.
LOL I don't like change, in case you haven't noticed!
i love my eroll! It feels like a ciggie and I don't need two hands to handle it! (I have a drawer full of eRoll batteries cartridges and atomisers from wholesale websites in china since they stopped making it)
I will be sure to "shake n bake" any VG for sure.. I am not throwing anything away now that doesn't have PG in it now...
Seriously - if anyone in the UK wants these 30 or so bottles of tobacco liquids please let me know - Ill invoice you for the postage and send you the invoice you know I am not ripping you off and you can have them. I cannot continue to keep throwing full bottles of good reputable liquid away just bc its got PG in it.
If anyone from the UK wants a load of VG dominant PG mixed tobacco samples and 18ml bottles all new, please contact me to arrange postage - They're free. I can invoice you via PayPal for Royal Mail - Failing that these too are going into the bin. ..... I don't know anyone who vapes believe it or not. (TY to MacTech for showing me how to upload a pic) 
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Ive decided to try and trace Johnson Creeks flavour suppliers and try recreate it myself - They used USA created ingredients and they were 100% PG free so that's two clues and I have the recipe
I wanted to post in the DIY section but when I try to create a new thread I cannot see an area to write the message
can see the title and tags but no area to add the content (text) and then I get an error saying something like "Please add message" or "No message"
Is it something about me being new?
Johnson Creek =
FCC grade Vegetable Glycerin
Food-grade Glycerol
Distilled water
Nicotine (except in Zero Nic juices)
Natural Flavors
Artificial flavors
Citric Acid (used as a natural preservative in the juice)
100% free of Propylene Glycol
The flavours were:
VG 107.10g
PG 0.00g
Nicotine 17.17g
Tobacco 4.80g
Burley 4.80g
Caramel 3.60g
Vanilla Swirl 3.6g0g
Smoke Flavor 1.20g
Any help is much appreciated as I am new to making my own e liquids
Ive decided to try and trace Johnson Creeks flavour suppliers and try recreate it myself - They used USA created ingredients and they were 100% PG free so that's two clues and I have the recipe
I wanted to post in the DIY section but when I try to create a new thread I cannot see an area to write the message
can see the title and tags but no area to add the content (text) and then I get an error saying something like "Please add message" or "No message"
Is it something about me being new?
Johnson Creek =
FCC grade Vegetable Glycerin
Food-grade Glycerol
Distilled water
Nicotine (except in Zero Nic juices)
Natural Flavors
Artificial flavors
Citric Acid (used as a natural preservative in the juice)
100% free of Propylene Glycol
The flavours were:
VG 107.10g
PG 0.00g
Nicotine 17.17g
Tobacco 4.80g
Burley 4.80g
Caramel 3.60g
Vanilla Swirl 3.6g0g
Smoke Flavor 1.20g
Any help is much appreciated as I am new to making my own e liquids
Try refreshing the page, or closing and restarting it. I've had some really wonky stuff happen since the new servers were installed. In fact, I had to refresh to type this. You're probably doing this but it should be: Type in the thread title, click where I put "type content here," then click "Create Thread" at the bottom. I don't know why, but sometimes it doesn't work for me either.
I'm not in UK, and I'm not sure what it'd cost to ship to US, but if you have some idea of the cost (and it's not exorbitant), I might take you up on it. Always wanted to try Black Note, and some of the others might be interesting. You can PM me if you don't get any takers.If anyone from the UK wants a load of VG dominant PG mixed tobacco samples and 18ml bottles all new, please contact me to arrange postage - They're free. I can invoice you via PayPal for Royal Mail - Failing that these too are going into the bin. ..... I don't know anyone who vapes believe it or not. (TY to MacTech for showing me how to upload a pic)
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I am not getting that option.
I am IT literate - I spend all day every day on the net
I think it must be the browser - I will try Safari tomorrow
Thanks again!
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