Five Year User JC Red Oak Domestic - Spending $$$$ on garbage - Help?

[Brewdawg1181]

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[MacTechVpr]

Hello

Ive decided to try and trace Johnson Creeks flavour suppliers and try recreate it myself - They used USA created ingredients and they were 100% PG free so that's two clues and I have the recipe

I wanted to post in the DIY section but when I try to create a new thread I cannot see an area to write the message
can see the title and tags but no area to add the content (text) and then I get an error saying something like "Please add message" or "No message"

Is it something about me being new?


Johnson Creek =

FCC grade Vegetable Glycerin

Food-grade Glycerol

Distilled water

Nicotine (except in Zero Nic juices)

Natural Flavors

Artificial flavors

Citric Acid (used as a natural preservative in the juice)

100% free of Propylene Glycol



The flavours were:

VG 107.10g

PG 0.00g

Nicotine 17.17g

tobacco 4.80g

Burley 4.80g

Caramel 3.60g

Vanilla Swirl 3.6g0g

Smoke Flavor 1.20g



Any help is much appreciated as I am new to making my own e liquids

A basic tobacco recipe. It's been a heartache technically since the move for quite a few. Are you back and how you making out in your research?

Good luck.

 

[roseenglish]

Where there's a will......

18 bottles 9 x 30ml domestic 9 x 30ml tennessee cured - 3 bottles got smashed in transit sadly - no apology or note from the DHL, I only knew because I rang up to see why the parcel was on hold.
AND they charged me £34.00 in customs for the full amount of money spent....bit ...... but delighted I got ANY quite frankly.

I could only get 6mg nic though and I am used to 18mg so the next task is finding a 100mg concentrated VG nic liquid so I don't dilute the flavour more than I need to that is totally tasteless as I have read about "peppery" and "bitter" flavours, last thing I want to do is ruin this bloody stuff with bad nicotine liquid...

I have no idea how old these bottles are, they came from a walk in store in Georgia (europe) who did me a favour by posting them to me.

I have broken the seals on 1 domestic and 1 tennessee cured and they smell exactly like I remember them doing... sorta a strong chemical smell which I remember from years back... I darent vape any yet...I will let them sit....

Just relieved I managed to get this batch .

 

[roseenglish]

A basic tobacco recipe. It's been a heartache technically since the move for quite a few. Are you back and how you making out in your research?

Good luck.

I got me 18 bottles 9 domestic 9 tennessee cured (3 got smashed in transit! from Georgia Europe)

But only in 6mg nic ( I am used to 18mg) so next task is to find 100mg nic 100% VG which I assume is the highest amount so dilutes the taste the least.

The last thing I want to do is .... the flavour up with some nasty nic juice....

 

[MacTechVpr]

I got me 18 bottles 9 domestic 9 tennessee cured (3 got smashed in transit! from Georgia Europe)

But only in 6mg nic ( I am used to 18mg) so next task is to find 100mg nic 100% VG which I assume is the highest amount so dilutes the taste the least.

The last thing I want to do is .... the flavour up with some nasty nic juice....

Congratz, that should do you for a bit. Diff to find. It's comforting to see you so determined to assuage vicissitude. JC fans around the world may bow in humble admiration of your tenacity and success (don't publish your address). I actually still have a bottle of JCTC which I use strictly as a fragrance sampler.…I keep it very tightly sealed in the safe.

Should you find remotely close, to your liking, let us (me) know.

Enjoy the vape! And good luck.

 

[roseenglish]

Congratz, that should do you for a bit. Diff to find. It's comforting to see you so determined to assuage vicissitude. JC fans around the world may bow in humble admiration of your tenacity and success (don't publish your address). I actually still have a bottle of JCTC which I use strictly as a fragrance sampler.…I keep it very tightly sealed in the safe.

Should you find remotely close, to your liking, let us (me) know.

Enjoy the vape! And good luck.

Oh I am determined if nothing else lol I don't like change, however my tenacity has caused me a dilemma -

I currently have 16 bottles of JC Domestic and Tennessee Cured (Original Formula) and the chance to buy another 15 x 30ml bottles of Domestic (Newer Formula) but the stuff will surely go off by the time I get around to cracking the last 10 bottles!!!!

I know I won't find any more of this stuff once its sold...but whats the point in buying it if I cannot vape it fast enough to avoid it going bad? Catch 22

If you're interested in buying the bottles yourself PM me and I can tell you the vendor - although its high risk (Wire Transfer) I do trust them as I have been in communication with them for 2 months now, they're legit.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Sadly, I never tested JC shelf life. My own suspension of disbelief that at least this vendor would survive the political tumult. However, like you, I didn't care for the revised PC and compliant formula. The JCTC orig rec ref sample I have left has rarely been out of refrigeration (twice opened). It seems to remain authentic if somewhat slightly more potent at least in fragrance to the best of my recollection.

Wish I had time to recast my efforts to replicate but I'm committed consulting on projects with others for the next few months. Just can't say never.

Companies are bought and sold, their successful and beloved products often relegated to the trash heap of obscurity. We call this progress.

If you're unable to sell what you have or before you do I might ask to please not forget me. Perhaps sell me a bottle or two???

Good luck rose and Happy New Year.

 

[roseenglish]

I took mine out of the fridge today "because" I read that e liquid in particular high VG liquid deteriorates faster when in the fridge - something about condensation inside the bottle causing bacteria leading to loss of flavour and it going "bad"

I am still conflicted ! Should I keep the unopened glass bottles in the fridge or in a dark cupboard(?)

I had some 5ml glass bottles of domestic original formula for a year and I was still vaping that. Bearing in mind the vendor I got it from probably had it at least a year as they were the small 5ml bottles and had the original labels on so at least two years old...

I thought it was "fine" until I received this newer batch and I can tell now the flavour is muted and a bit "not right" but certainly not something I would throw away, so I would estimate as 2 years.

I read here on these forums that the new formula for Domestic and I believe TC was fine as long as you let it steep a few weeks, the neg reviews were from the brand new fresh formula JC made and people cracked the bottle open and didn't like it. According to my research, had they let those same bottles steep a few weeks they tasted pretty much like the originals.

I am basing my decision to buy these 15 bottles with the new formula labels on them on that very forum post/opinion

Did you try the new formula by chance Mac?

 

[MacTechVpr]

I took mine out of the fridge today "because" I read that e liquid in particular high VG liquid deteriorates faster when in the fridge - something about condensation inside the bottle causing bacteria leading to loss of flavour and it going "bad"

Impossible IMO. Bacteria and viruses can't replicate in glycerin to my understanding. In cold? Unlikely as well. How would organisms migrate to condensation inside a sealed cold container?

I am still conflicted ! Should I keep the unopened glass bottles in the fridge or in a dark cupboard(?)

You need exposure to air (for oxidation) and UV. Cold inhibits the process of oxidation and good sealing obviously. Wrap bottles in tin foil and white box 'em is what I do. Freezing is better but perhaps overkill.

I had some 5ml glass bottles of domestic original formula for a year and I was still vaping that. Bearing in mind the vendor I got it from probably had it at least a year as they were the small 5ml bottles and had the original labels on so at least two years old...

I thought it was "fine" until I received this newer batch and I can tell now the flavour is muted and a bit "not right" but certainly not something I would throw away, so I would estimate as 2 years.

There you go. That's a good sign. My remaining sample is at least that. Your newer supply should fare better. No way of telling exactly how old those 5ml samplers were.

I read here on these forums that the new formula for Domestic and I believe TC was fine as long as you let it steep a few weeks, the neg reviews were from the brand new fresh formula JC made and people cracked the bottle open and didn't like it. According to my research, had they let those same bottles steep a few weeks they tasted pretty much like the originals.

I am basing my decision to buy these 15 bottles with the new formula labels on them on that very forum post/opinion

Did you try the new formula by chance Mac?[/QUOTE]

It's worth a try. I honestly steeped nothing as I've been vaping samples provided to me by others for evaluation (of the revision). So my supplies have been limited. My reaction and theirs…no comparison to original. To be fair, it needs considerable steeping to be tolerable (not my opinion, but from direct anecdotal reports of other vapers).

Still, I would keep all if I could particularly the originals. Time may reveal other opportunities. If I had enough of the stuff, I'd try something mebe contrarian but say…mix the two (100 drop mix, <8ml). I would keep on enjoying it as long as I could by mix or supplement like my base to allow myself the comfortable opportunity to explore alternatives. You have an important baseline for your flavor preferences. That's more than a great many who've never come close to that sweet spot.

Good luck and HNY!

 

[roseenglish]

Thanks for that info. I have put the bottles back in the fridge and will buy a tupperware box soon.

I think after your feedback of the new formula, I will not blow $600 on these new forumated bottles then. I was in two minds anyway as they would probably not last the 18 months before the current batch I have runs dry.

After all, I have enough to last me 12 to 18 months and its the original stuff too so no need to take a risk with something that may well turn out to be a major disappointment.

Are you UK based by chance? I am happy to send you for free the 2 remaining 5ml bottles of Domestic 1.8mg (Original) for free. PM me.

What exactly do you do when you say people send you samples and revisions?

 

[MacTechVpr]

Thanks for that info. I have put the bottles back in the fridge and will buy a tupperware box soon.

I think after your feedback of the new formula, I will not blow $600 on these new forumated bottles then. I was in two minds anyway as they would probably not last the 18 months before the current batch I have runs dry.

After all, I have enough to last me 12 to 18 months and its the original stuff too so no need to take a risk with something that may well turn out to be a major disappointment.

Are you UK based by chance? I am happy to send you for free the 2 remaining 5ml bottles of Domestic 1.8mg (Original) for free. PM me.

What exactly do you do when you say people send you samples and revisions?

I think that's a wise choice. I'm afraid further samples will just frustrate me at this point. But thanks so much for the offer just the same. I'm not in UK but Hollywood Beach FL…

As to my projects…in 2013 I introduced the principle of strain in winding contact coils ultimately adapting the human mechanics for a tensioned micro coil in Spring '14. It's been lost in the clamor over big power, multi-wire and ever changing shiny these days (as opposed to deflection or forming). However, if you want to make the perfect coil in electrical terms, that's the way it's done. That is, if you want both optimal flavor and vapor. IOW, the best the wire can produce. I've posted thousands of remarks on the subject which oddly, given the ramifications, you'd have a hard time finding here on ECF. Well, at least that's what my friends report of late. Come to think of it, I can't seem to find too many of them hangin' out here either.

My projects have localized given the politics and I'm quite content for the moment serving the needs and interests of those I've worked with over the years. Still I manage to help sometimes a couple'a three folks a week get quit. It still remains as rewarding as when I first started doing rebuilding tutorials. I relish the close and personal, mostly for the smiles.

Good luck and HNY!

 

[roseenglish]

I think that's a wise choice. I'm afraid further samples will just frustrate me at this point. But thanks so much for the offer just the same. I'm not in UK but Hollywood Beach FL…

As to my projects…in 2013 I introduced the principle of strain in winding contact coils ultimately adapting the human mechanics for a tensioned micro coil in Spring '14. It's been lost in the clamor over big power, multi-wire and ever changing shiny these days (as opposed to deflection or forming). However, if you want to make the perfect coil in electrical terms, that's the way it's done. That is, if you want both optimal flavor and vapor. IOW, the best the wire can produce. I've posted thousands of remarks on the subject which oddly, given the ramifications, you'd have a hard time finding here on ECF. Well, at least that's what my friends report of late. Come to think of it, I can't seem to find too many of them hangin' out here either.

My projects have localized given the politics and I'm quite content for the moment serving the needs and interests of those I've worked with over the years. Still I manage to help sometimes a couple'a three folks a week get quit. It still remains as rewarding as when I first started doing rebuilding tutorials. I relish the close and personal, mostly for the smiles.

Good luck and HNY!

You lost me at "the principle of strain in winding contact coils" lol I am guessing you have an engineering mind

I tell you what's missing in the market and that's a good old fashioned ciggalike (Spelling) I know there are some models out there but they are not marketed very well. Amazon sell a few but nothing groundbreaking like the eRoll used to be.

When people first quit analogs the hand to mouth and the feeling of the cig in your hand or even hanging out of your mouth are important psychological factors. Much like a ...... addict will tell you scoring the gear, prepping the foil etc is all part of the addiction. Not that I am comparing ...... with cigarettes, just the psychology of the rituals associated with any addiction.

It seems to be the market has gone insane. Cloud chasing? WTF is that about? Since when did losing yourself in a cloud of vapour become so important? I guess once you make the switch then vaping becomes a whole new addiction and develops a totally new set of rituals.

I digress. My point is for a someone trying to make the switch the market is flooded with boxes and screwdriver type devices to the point that you're not "cool" unless you own "blah blah" device and walk around with a permanent cloud above your head like you have your own micro climate following you.... And its got very technical and confusing for a novice and yes I count myself as a total novice.

Vaping has moved on and developed but I think the original point of why people want to vape has almost been forgotten about and that is to wean analog smokers off cancer sticks and onto something considerably less dangerous for their health.

Micro e cigs played an important part in gaining converters to vaping. China loves them but here in the UK not so much choice at all.

Liz -

 

[MacTechVpr]

You lost me at "the principle of strain in winding contact coils" lol I am guessing you have an engineering mind

I tell you what's missing in the market and that's a good old fashioned ciggalike (Spelling) I know there are some models out there but they are not marketed very well. Amazon sell a few but nothing groundbreaking like the eRoll used to be.

When people first quit analogs the hand to mouth and the feeling of the cig in your hand or even hanging out of your mouth are important psychological factors. Much like a ...... addict will tell you scoring the gear, prepping the foil etc is all part of the addiction. Not that I am comparing ...... with cigarettes, just the psychology of the rituals associated with any addiction.

It seems to be the market has gone insane. Cloud chasing? ... is that about? Since when did losing yourself in a cloud of vapour become so important? I guess once you make the switch then vaping becomes a whole new addiction and develops a totally new set of rituals.

I digress. My point is for a someone trying to make the switch the market is flooded with boxes and screwdriver type devices to the point that you're not "cool" unless you own "blah blah" device and walk around with a permanent cloud above your head like you have your own micro climate following you.... And its got very technical and confusing for a novice and yes I count myself as a total novice.

Vaping has moved on and developed but I think the original point of why people want to vape has almost been forgotten about and that is to wean analog smokers off cancer sticks and onto something considerably less dangerous for their health.

Micro e cigs played an important part in gaining converters to vaping. China loves them but here in the UK not so much choice at all.

Liz -

There are two ways to shape metals. One is forming, deflecting or bending the wire, as in our case. The other is strain which is elongation, stretching. Creating winds with a pin vise or other mandrel like a screw driver (as hoop ring winders do for example) with just the right amount of pull (easy to do for most) and you can force a realignment of the metal's crystalline structure. It stiffens the wire and permits uniform contact, oxidation (by electrical pulsing) and accordingly resistance proportionally. Strain is in everything. Somewhat irregularly in wire and more so with handling. This effects performance I found, in various ways. We gain an advantage by managing it.

For some time before I quit I thought the cigalike performance was crucial but inadequate. It still is, I agree. However, I can't imagine something performing better than say a Kanger Protank Mini on a pen with a stable coil in it. I quit easily with this after many disastrous attempts. At the end of the day the circuit makes a difference. A big one.

After a short time I found the broad variety afforded by open systems (rebuildables) far better allowed me to experience my preferences in cigar and pipe flavors as well as more comparable vapor volume performance. I've been rather surprised over time just how many of us enjoy the greater output…if we can accomplish it without the heat. However, I 'd agree that for most our compulsion has been replaced with shiny-itis.

Folks learn to apply power effectively and quickly narrow the focus towards satisfaction. This stems the urge for exuberant spending. The latter isn't an inevitable part of this process. Vaping is more like cooking than any other human activity. With some basic knowledge we just click our heels Dorothy and readily find that unicorn. But we need to think more like the chef than hobbyist vape gear reviewers.

I probably could write a book on the subject but I'll suffice to say that the way this industry has evolved we have in fact replaced our previous habituation with compulsive spending. That regrettably for many of us it serves to sublimate the urge for a satisfactorily good vape. Our strongest instinct is community and this sharing, even if as simple as the delights of our latest acquisition, is far more important to our psyche than how good the vapor was. It's the thing that matters not the result. We would have been better served if the focus had been on quality rather than quantity.

The vape suffers for a lack of knowledge.

Good luck and Happy New Year.

 

[MacTechVpr]

@roseenglish, I suppose you've heard that avejuice has resumed prod of both Boba's and Gorilla Juice as I first heard reported here…

New Boba's Clone | Page 5 | E-Cigarette Forum

Hear the rework is true to the orig altho not 100% vg.

Thought you might be interested.

Good luck.

 

[vapdivrr]

@roseenglish, I suppose you've heard that avejuice has resumed prod of both Boba's and Gorilla Juice as I first heard reported here…

New Boba's Clone | Page 5 | E-Cigarette Forum

Hear the rework is true to the orig altho not 100% vg.

Thought you might be interested.

Good luck.

I have to admit, the new bobas is darn good and pretty close to what I remember.

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

 

[MacTechVpr]

I have to admit, the new bobas is darn good and pretty close to what I remember.

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

Hope so and pleased for AVE coming back with it.

Good luck.

 

[orior]

You lost me at "the principle of strain in winding contact coils" lol I am guessing you have an engineering mind

I tell you what's missing in the market and that's a good old fashioned ciggalike (Spelling) I know there are some models out there but they are not marketed very well. Amazon sell a few but nothing groundbreaking like the eRoll used to be.

When people first quit analogs the hand to mouth and the feeling of the cig in your hand or even hanging out of your mouth are important psychological factors. Much like a ...... addict will tell you scoring the gear, prepping the foil etc is all part of the addiction. Not that I am comparing ...... with cigarettes, just the psychology of the rituals associated with any addiction.

It seems to be the market has gone insane. Cloud chasing? ... is that about? Since when did losing yourself in a cloud of vapour become so important? I guess once you make the switch then vaping becomes a whole new addiction and develops a totally new set of rituals.

I digress. My point is for a someone trying to make the switch the market is flooded with boxes and screwdriver type devices to the point that you're not "cool" unless you own "blah blah" device and walk around with a permanent cloud above your head like you have your own micro climate following you.... And its got very technical and confusing for a novice and yes I count myself as a total novice.

Vaping has moved on and developed but I think the original point of why people want to vape has almost been forgotten about and that is to wean analog smokers off cancer sticks and onto something considerably less dangerous for their health.

Micro e cigs played an important part in gaining converters to vaping. China loves them but here in the UK not so much choice at all.

Liz -

Totally agree. I hate the direction the vaping industry has taken.

I'm exactly like you Rose. I vape Ecab and Eroll for the last 5 and half years. I also gathered 30 eroll batteries, 3 mega PCCs, and some 15 ecabs to last me for the next 8-10 years

I also tried Kamry micro, eleaf Icare mini and eleaf solo. Nothing beats the eroll and the ecab for me.

Until now I can't understand how Joyetech just discontinued the eroll like that, so quickly after they released the eroll-c. I'm sure there were enough people who used them, it's a real enigma for me.

I already wrote to Joyetech asking them to bring the eroll back, or at least keep spare parts on the market.
They answered that my mail was forwarded to the R&D team.
Maybe you should consider writing to them too. Maybe if they received more mails from people who are missing the eroll something would change.. It can't hurt.

 

[Michelle2468]

Hi!! I used red oak domestic and genuine 21 for about 6 years. After a long time searching, I just found a similar liquid that is amazing. It is called LiQUa “traditional tobacco”. Go to liqua.com. I use the 1.1%






QUOTE="roseenglish, post: 20208823, member: 8998"]I will try to keep this short

Started vaping in 2012 - Settled on a British juice (British Bulldog) which was blended by Johnson Creek - That was discontinued 2013 so did some research found out who made it and settled on Red Oak Domestic - Never used anything else but that since.

I don't like messing with flavours I like what I like "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" right?

I know JC messed their formula up some time back due to new regulations but luckily I avoiding that nightmare by buying old stock in the UK.

That bulk buy is about 5 weeks from running dry and as some of you might know Johnson Creek has closed its doors so no one is selling it anywhere. They're not allowed (apparently)

So I have spent in 1 week £500 including shipping on tobacco flavoured liquids and I kid you not all but 2 bottles have ended up in the bin, most after just smelling the stuff. Perfumed sickly sweet junk, totally fake.
I am close to trying coffee flavours because I cannot keep blowing money as I am trying to find a 100% VG tobacco that doesn't have some chemical aftertaste or artificial sweet perfume smell that makes me want to heave.

You have to understand i am so far out of the loop when it comes to products bc I have used the same liquid and device (that's another story - ) for five years.

I have learned this week about NET tobacco juices and have ordered a further £300 worth of those from various vendors and am waiting on the delivery.

The irony is, JC Red Oak was not a NET liquid and yet to me it seemed so authentic with no fake flavour or smell to it. Furthermore for a 100% VG they made their juice very thin so it wasn't too hard on the atomiser.

Are there any JC Domestic fans or ex fans that can recommend a brand that is similar or better ( I doubt that) I figure if a person loved Domestic then they must have a similar pallet to mine and their suggestions are more likely to be a hit for me.

Thanks in advance !

Liz[/QUOTE]

 

[Michelle2468]

LIQUA TRADITIONAL TOBACCO