*FLAVOR CHASER* Build tips & tricks

[da8ap]

IMO the best flavors I got, I got it from the zipper coil and clapton coil, so I did an experiment and twisted two strands of 32g one CW and another CCW and clapton them on a 26g, and the flavor is unbelievable .. it was a goofy idea that I had that really paid off IMO

the only thing with this coil is that u have to keep it clean or it well rust on u with in a few days so just unwick and clean when ever ur not using it

 

[Soignee]

IMO the best flavors I got, I got it from the zipper coil and clapton coil, so I did an experiment and twisted two strands of 32g one CW and another CCW and clapton them on a 26g, and the flavor is unbelievable .. it was a goofy idea that I had that really paid off IMO

the only thing with this coil is that u have to keep it clean or it well rust on u with in a few days so just unwick and clean when ever ur not using it

I'll give that a go this week mah friend! Thanks. Sounds full of metal!

 

[jeffreyace]

All these builds look super fun to try and do, but I don't have the time nor patience to try lol. I usually do 26g dual arouND .4 and 24g dual around .25. I did however quick twist some 26ga and did a 5 wrap on a 2mm screwdriver, came to .18ish (ohm meter broke while installing 2nd coil), I would say I get less flavor from twisted.
and everytime I try a parallel coil, the middle wrap is always a hotspot. Looks perfect while heating and crimping and positioning, but when I wick snd fire, after 3 or 4 seconds the middle wrap starts glowing. I've only had one parallel coil work for me and it was the best flavor vape I've ever had. I'm debating on buying a few different ones from twisted messes but it's hard to justify paying for wire when I have it in front of me.

 

[Soignee]

All these builds look super fun to try and do, but I don't have the time nor patience to try lol. I usually do 26g dual arouND .4 and 24g dual around .25. I did however quick twist some 26ga and did a 5 wrap on a 2mm screwdriver, came to .18ish (ohm meter broke while installing 2nd coil), I would say I get less flavor from twisted.
and everytime I try a parallel coil, the middle wrap is always a hotspot. Looks perfect while heating and crimping and positioning, but when I wick snd fire, after 3 or 4 seconds the middle wrap starts glowing. I've only had one parallel coil work for me and it was the best flavor vape I've ever had. I'm debating on buying a few different ones from twisted messes but it's hard to justify paying for wire when I have it in front of me.

Jeffery, since I more or less know you from the other sub forum, I will respectfully say. You are probably doing it wrong. Now that may be because you don't have the patience nor the time...I have 3 kids, a wife and a job that sucks 50 hours a week from mah life, not counting the 12 hours a week of driving...twisting 2 feet of Clapton coil took me 45 minutes on mah first try. I'm 52 this year, so I'm starting to develop patience...time I still don't have.

It would help a lot if you could post some pics of the coils that you are building (and having issues with) so that you could get some guidance.

I have found that anything you can see demonstrated on YouTube ANYONE can build. You just might need a little help from the folks on ECF to get you there. I for one have used a ton of advice from this forum and this sub forum to help me with mah coil builds!

What do I and we on this sub forum need to do to help you out mah friend!?

 

[da8ap]

I'll give that a go this week mah friend! Thanks. Sounds full of metal!

yeah be sure to let me know what u think of it .. just now I realized that I said 32g wire when in fact I used 34g not a big deal might even work better with 32


jeffreyace, building coils is more of a hoppy the important thing when it comes to vaping is vaping to not smoke so if u dont have the time to build its not a big deal manage with what u can

 

[Soignee]

yeah be sure to let me know what u think of it .. just now I realized that I said 32g wire when in fact I used 34g not a big deal might even work better with 32


jeffreyace, building coils is more of a hoppy the important thing when it comes to vaping is vaping to not smoke so if u dont have the time to build its not a big deal manage with what u can

I've got both gauges so I may try it with both. Thanks for the update.


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[Kemosabe]

So I "twisted" some Clapton coil up today, 32 g over 24 g. Did 5 wraps on a 3/32 mandrel, came out at .45 ohms...Great flavor, it's a roaring, noisy build but it vapes very smoothly.

The coil has been pulled out to the edge of the deck and is centered on the air hole of the Mephisto and dialed down to 1/16th of an inch.

Did you wrap the Clapton by hand?

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

as far as ohms go you should get the same when using either the 32 or 34 as the current runs the route of less resistance which will be the inner, the outer wire gets heated, what would make a big differance in my eyes is the spacing of the actual claptons, i notice the tighter more snug i can get them the better for flavour, but no doubt whatever you do the claptons are gonna open up a little when wrapping around your mandral, the juice or vape gets fired and spat from all the nooks and crannies, MM wire and Braided are also really good.
All IMO ofcourse

 

[jeffreyace]

Jeffery, since I more or less know you from the other sub forum, I will respectfully say. You are probably doing it wrong. Now that may be because you don't have the patience nor the time...I have 3 kids, a wife and a job that sucks 50 hours a week from mah life, not counting the 12 hours a week of driving...twisting 2 feet of Clapton coil took me 45 minutes on mah first try. I'm 52 this year, so I'm starting to develop patience...time I still don't have.

It would help a lot if you could post some pics of the coils that you are building (and having issues with) so that you could get some guidance.

I have found that anything you can see demonstrated on YouTube ANYONE can build. You just might need a little help from the folks on ECF to get you there. I for one have used a ton of advice from this forum and this sub forum to help me with mah coil builds!

What do I and we on this sub forum need to do to help you out mah friend!?

I probably am lol.
I don't have a drill, nor do I plan on buying one just for vaping purposes.
I twist the wire by hand. It usually spits and sizzles.
On my phone so don't really feel like having to upload a picture even though it probably be helpful lol sorry.
it's a 4/5 wrap on a 2mm screwdriver, 26ga twisted (by hand) ohms out to around .2

 

[Soignee]

Did you wrap the Clapton by hand?

I wrapped the coil with a Kuro type coiler...very efficient at producing a nice coil.

 

[Soignee]

I probably am lol.
I don't have a drill, nor do I plan on buying one just for vaping purposes.
I twist the wire by hand. It usually spits and sizzles.
On my phone so don't really feel like having to upload a picture even though it probably be helpful lol sorry.
it's a 4/5 wrap on a 2mm screwdriver, 26ga twisted (by hand) ohms out to around .2

Gotcha mah friend! Even a cheapy drill will up your twisted game a lot... or doing something like folding your wire over a drill bit, securing the ends with a vice grip or hemostats. Twisting vertically so the drill bit is above the vice grips rather than horizontally. Gravity will then help your wire twist a bit tighter.

So maybe to help you out with your parallel build then, try this link... The Art of the Parallel Coil: A Guide to Boosting Your Vaping Output

I hope some of that may help!

 

[Kemosabe]

I wrapped the coil with a Kuro type coiler...very efficient at producing a nice coil.

thanks. so do you wrap the outer wire of the clapton with the coiler too?

 

[Soignee]

thanks. so do you wrap the outer wire of the clapton with the coiler too?

I understand what you are asking now. No. I use a drill. The 32 g goes into the side of the drill chuck and the 24 g goes down the center. A couple of hand twists in the same direction that the drill will spin (I go away from me) and then use low speed until you are comfortable with how the 32 g is wrapping then increase the speed. I'm on mah phone at work right now so I can't post a YouTube but if you search YT you can find a method to watch and get an idea

Hope that helps.


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[Kemosabe]

I understand what you are asking now. No. I use a drill. The 32 g goes into the side of the drill chuck and the 24 g goes down the center. A couple of hand twists in the same direction that the drill will spin (I go away from me) and then use low speed until you are comfortable with how the 32 g is wrapping then increase the speed. I'm on mah phone at work right now so I can't post a YouTube but if you search YT you can find a method to watch and get an idea

Hope that helps.


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Thanks! appreciate it

 

[whosrandy]

My first successful Clapton! And what a treat the flavor is!

Fused 28g, wrapped in 36g - all A1 kanthal

.3 ohms, dual coil 7 wrap, 2mm

Mutation X v1 on FT SMPL

 

[Soignee]

My first successful Clapton! And what a treat the flavor is!

Fused 28g, wrapped in 36g - all A1 kanthal

.3 ohms, dual coil 7 wrap, 2mm

Mutation X v1 on FT SMPL

Very nice looking!

Where are you placed as far as your air holes etc...?

 

[whosrandy]

Very nice looking!

Where are you placed as far as your air holes etc...?

Smack dab lined up perfectly with the center line of air holes. So, air hits underneath and above at equal rates (in theory). Also, when I place the cap back on, I align the airholes so that it's slighty off to the right... meaning it's not hitting the coils perpendicularly (90 degree angle). It's more of a 45 degree angle. It's my favorite build by far.

The Mutation X v1 was my first RDA and I immediately dismissed it after finding atties like the Veritas, Magma, CLT v2, etc. I am so glad I went back! This atty simply requires the right engine under the hood and then it's right up there with the best.

 

[jeffreyace]

Gotcha mah friend! Even a cheapy drill will up your twisted game a lot... or doing something like folding your wire over a drill bit, securing the ends with a vice grip or hemostats. Twisting vertically so the drill bit is above the vice grips rather than horizontally. Gravity will then help your wire twist a bit tighter.

So maybe to help you out with your parallel build then, try this link... The Art of the Parallel Coil: A Guide to Boosting Your Vaping Output

I hope some of that may help!

I do mine exactly that way. There is always a hotspot right in the middle on both "coils"
maybe I'm doing to many wraps? I usually do 6 or 7 to try and keep my ohms a little higher.
maybe I'll try doing a 4/5 and see how it goes.

 

[pls0138]

Very cool thread.
I have been really into twisted and parallel builds lately. I have a clapton coil and a twisted 28 gauge coil in my two lemos right now, both single coil builds at around 1.1 ohm. Flavor is defiantly better IMO compared to a standard 1.0 ohm build using regular 26 gauge.
In my Mutation X V3, I have a single parallel coil using twisted 30 gauge wire, 7 wraps/2.4 mm diameter clocking in around 0.5 ohm. I am loving the flavor and performance of this coil, plenty of surface area with the twisted parallel coil, has a pretty quick ramp up time, and wicks rather well for being so long using rayon (only time I get a dry hit is when the wick is completely dried out). I have only three air holes open (one diagonal row in front of the coil) and I line it up so I have an air hole underneath, in front of, and above the coil. Since the coil is so long those off set air holes at the top and bottom are still in line with coil, I think this is probably why this is my favorite build so far in this atty, with a regular 7/8 wrap single coil those two air holes are kinda in no man's land. I'm realizing more and more that the way the air hits your coils has a lot to do with the overall performance.

The one interesting aspect in the whole twisted/parallel rda build debate to me is that they seem to work best in cloud chasing-type attys like the MX because you need the bigger post holes, deeper juice wells, and larger air flow to accommodate such a beefy coil. It almost seems like contradiction that a flavor chaser coil wouldn't work as well in a more widely viewed flavor chaser-type rda like the magma or the tugboat. I really can't say much on the subject beyond that since the MX is the only RDA I have at the moment, but I would defiantly like to hear the opinion of some you more experienced builders on the matter.

 

[kartoffelfaust]

It almost seems like contradiction that a flavor chaser coil wouldn't work as well in a more widely viewed flavor chaser-type rda like the magma or the tugboat.

I've done a dual clapton on my tugboat v2. 30g over 26. There's plenty of room on the deck for that. The trick, esp with that large of outer wire, is how to build as a dual coil, since you cannot fit two leads that thick through the positive post. This is the one time I mess with "sleeper" style coils, where you build two coils on the same piece of wire so only one wire through positive post. Have to be careful with claptons, because too much force and the outer wire can get deformed quickly.

Next time I order wire I'm going to pick up 32g or 34g just to use as the outer wire in this setup.