Nope, and I'm afraid of what it might contain so I don't use it. DIY using high-quality crystal clear nic-juice is the way I do it.
Flavorings-Related Lung Disease
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Ahhhh... I've been plodding down that road... might have to start sprinting after reading this thread
I will console my nerves with the thought "cigarettes are still probably a lot worse" 
In fairness, there are quite a few retailers who hve had their liquid analysed by a lab and / or print the ingredients on the bottle.
For me, I have only used e-liquids that have been analysed and had results published.
(So never used Dekang at all.... PS: Everyone keeps saying that they make 90% of the e-liquid, but we've only got their word for that and I've seen so many retailers saying that they DO NOT use Dekang, I find that 90% figure somewhat suspect..... Am I the only one?)
For me, I have only used e-liquids that have been analysed and had results published.
(So never used Dekang at all.... PS: Everyone keeps saying that they make 90% of the e-liquid, but we've only got their word for that and I've seen so many retailers saying that they DO NOT use Dekang, I find that 90% figure somewhat suspect..... Am I the only one?)
I would have a lot more faith in these companies if they actually put these statements in writing!
I am suspicious by nature, and not sure I would trust anything of that nature that I was told on a phone call..... for one, I would first want to know the qualification of the person I was talking to (ie were they qualified to make that statement!)
OK... so I'm a cynic
I am suspicious by nature, and not sure I would trust anything of that nature that I was told on a phone call..... for one, I would first want to know the qualification of the person I was talking to (ie were they qualified to make that statement!)
OK... so I'm a cynic
I would have a lot more faith in these companies if they actually put these statements in writing!
I am suspicious by nature, and not sure I would trust anything of that nature that I was told on a phone call..... for one, I would first want to know the qualification of the person I was talking to (ie were they qualified to make that statement!)
OK... so I'm a cynic
It is on the front page of Capella's website in bold letters that they are Diacetyl Free.A Couple more posts and I can actually create a link.
capellaflavordrops com
By the way, I do understand your suspicions so that is why I'm glad they have it in writing.
It is on the front page of Capella's website in bold letters that they are Diacetyl Free.A Couple more posts and I can actually create a link.
capellaflavordrops com
By the way, I do understand your suspicions so that is why I'm glad they have it in writing.
Thanks, kreiderb!! Great news! I've been wanting to try some of theirs.
Angela, somewhere on ECF I read that Lorann was claiming they don't use diacetyl at all in any flavors, but it sounds from your post that they do in some. Do you have more info, which flavors, and is use of diacetyl at Lorann's verified? Expecting a big order with lots of buttery/toffee type flavors that I love so much.
Also, the tobacco flavors are very enigmatic to me. My guess is they are a soup of compounds, and there may be some baddies which give that unique smoky taste. If they are just using tobacco extract that's one thing, but if they are making them from scratch, that's another.
It is on the front page of Capella's website in bold letters that they are Diacetyl Free.A Couple more posts and I can actually create a link.
capellaflavordrops com
By the way, I do understand your suspicions so that is why I'm glad they have it in writing.
Okay, so... does that mean their flavorings are generally safe, or is there still an ambiguity when it comes to specific additives? I am so confused LOL... okay, how about this... those flavorings CAN'T be any worse than cigarettes, right?
I used to inhale straight cigar/pipe smoke and pull the filters off my Lights, and now I'm worrying whether this Chocolate flavor liquid is gonna kill me...
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Not sure where gave you that impression Kurt, but certainly not my intention to imply I had any special knowledge one way or the other. Like you, I have read that they've said they don't, but I've not seen any definitive statement from them, so I remain the cynic that I am
Okay, so... does that mean their flavorings are generally safe, or is there still an ambiguity when it comes to specific additives? I am so confused LOL... okay, how about this... those flavorings CAN'T be any worse than cigarettes, right?
I used to inhale straight cigar/pipe smoke and pull the filters off my Lights, and now I'm worrying whether this Chocolate flavor liquid is gonna kill me...
Thanks for the laugh. This gives a whole new meaning to death by chocolate.
Here is a pdf on the govt analysis of diacetyl bronchiolitis obliterans, which I loosely translate as lung obliteration...definitely worse than some lung cancers.
http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/Chem_Background/ExSumPdf/Artificial_butter_flavoring.pdf
Its long and detailed. Article mentions the possible danger of methyl ketones, of which diacetyl is one example.
I'll ask again: anyone know of a similar health issue with other flavors? Popcorn diacetyl is the only such report I have ever seen, but then until recently I wasn't looking either.
And has anyone here had what appears to be a flavor-related breathing problem? In general I am hearing about docs proclaiming that their vaping patient's lungs are more healthy than ever! Of course if someone has gotten lung obliteration, it is not likely they would be in a place to be able to post it. Unfortunately I think for ECF, people getting sick enough to not vape at all may just go away and not look at this board again, which skews our perception that vaping is safe without our knowing it.
http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/Chem_Background/ExSumPdf/Artificial_butter_flavoring.pdf
Its long and detailed. Article mentions the possible danger of methyl ketones, of which diacetyl is one example.
I'll ask again: anyone know of a similar health issue with other flavors? Popcorn diacetyl is the only such report I have ever seen, but then until recently I wasn't looking either.
And has anyone here had what appears to be a flavor-related breathing problem? In general I am hearing about docs proclaiming that their vaping patient's lungs are more healthy than ever! Of course if someone has gotten lung obliteration, it is not likely they would be in a place to be able to post it. Unfortunately I think for ECF, people getting sick enough to not vape at all may just go away and not look at this board again, which skews our perception that vaping is safe without our knowing it.
and new meaning to the phrase "getting buttered up". Now it means having your lungs obliterated! wow...
Pretty frightening stuff. Hopefully others can shed more light on what's really in these flavorings. Personally, I've found vaping to be a godsend - I'd been suffering from chronic smoker's cough for the past year or so. I'd routinely wake myself up with coughing fits, and I'd hack uncontrollably if I took long deep breaths. It was what really prompted me to consider vaping... and now the cough's gone, and I don't feel totally winded all the time...
oh god, please don't tell me I have to vape unflavored juice 8-o
Honestly, Diacetyl has been discussed here on ECF ad infinitum.
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I'm not too worried about DeKang.
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I'm not too worried about DeKang.
The idea is ridiculous that if someone suffered lung obliteration they would just drop out of the forum without saying anything. If anyone was being harmed by e-smoking and it was documented medically they would be screaming it from the rafters.
I agree that there might be a long term risk from these flavorings but when I compare that to the known risk from smoking analogs I'm satisfied I'm on the right path.
I agree that there might be a long term risk from these flavorings but when I compare that to the known risk from smoking analogs I'm satisfied I'm on the right path.
If you are stricken within this affliction, you are in the ICU waiting for a lung donor. Getting onto the internet while you are on a ventilator and heavy sedation so you don't gag is a touch tricky. I don't think this is happening, because we would likely hear about it in the news, but getting this is being put out of commission entirely for months. Like out.
In addition, someone some weeks ago who was very happy with vaping and active on the board PMs me out of the blue, claiming that she and the others in her family new to vaping were having terrible side effects, and were very scared for their health, and wanted to know where to get some juices analyzed for toxins. I replied, but never heard back, and she hasn't logged on since.
So I don't think my thinking is ridiculous. I think it is part of normal human nature on a forum: you don't like the topic, you get up and walk away. You don't like vaping or are having problems, and you work, raise kids, deal with doctors, and your time to sit down and post is pretty compromised, as is your interest in the vaping world in general.
I'm pretty satisfied I am on the right path too. I am also a chemist and very inquisitive, and current thinking about chemical and medical topics change daily. You seem to be in the "why bother, its better than smoking camp". Its likely then that this thread will be an enormous bore and waste of precious time for you. I wouldn't bother with it.
As a new member, 1 1/2ppd smoker, and a physician this is exactly what I was looking for. Now I know that if I vap, and I do because it makes sense over cigs, then I need use only PG or Glycerol and the nicotine juice without any flavors. This is just IMHO, but at this point it not only makes common sense, but some (??) scientific sense. I love some of the flavors, but no analysis, no smoke.
Ahhhh... I've been plodding down that road... might have to start sprinting after reading this thread
DeKang is made by Bogetech (www.bogetech.com), email them, they willl send you thier monthly lab test results if asked and promptly respond to all emails..
They are also one of the few liquid venders that have openly submitted thier liwuids to the FDA for testing and stand behind thier quality 100% Also, www.yndekang.com
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DeKang is made by Bogetech (www.bogetech.com), email them, they willl send you thier monthly lab test results if asked and promptly respond to all emails..
Also, www.yndekang.com
Crash, that is very good to know! Could you post some of these, maybe start another thread here in DIY? I would so love to see this, and I'm sure others would too.
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