Flavourful DIY eLiquid under 450F

[IDJoel]

my wire is 24ga not 34, not sure if that was a typo or if I had messed up the number when I first posted.

That one is entirely on me. Flat-out sloppy typo. You had said 24ga previously, I knew it, and still typed 34. I am beginning to understand why Dad was always muttering "it's hell getting old!"

If you have any information for me on how to build for flavour, I’m all eyes and ears. This is new for me but I’m eager to learn. The trouble is that between reviews and the countless articles as well as the fast paced development of the equipment, I must say that I am overwhelmed lol.

I hear what you are saying! My coil building skills are about as rudimentary as can be. It works for me; but I am no expert.

I have played with all sorts of factory wound "high-tech" coils (clapton, fused clapton, alien, tiger, hive, etc.). And, if I am being honest, I was unable to discern any difference in any of them. So, for ease, convenience, and the ability to wind my own; I returned to plain old wire. I use either kanthal or SS for a standard/classic spaced coil.

@BrotherBob (in post #22), gave you two very good (IMO) posts, explaining thick vs. thin wire. Start by reading those.

There are a multitude of ways to set up a rig. And, based on your own goals, ability to execute (I couldn't wind my own clapton if my life depended on it), and willingness to practice and learn; you can achieve just about anything. I know of people who like thick wire builds for flavor; and I know of people who like thin wire for flavor. I would not say either group is wrong. They have just found what works bet for them.

The real challenge is being willing to experiment until you find what works for you. Buy in small quantities. Buy some finer gauged wire (30, 28), and some thicker (26, 24 which you already have); and experiment. Make coils with more wraps; and less. See what works for you!

I was/am in the same boat as you. I research until I am completely confused. I have no reason not to believe almost everyone (there is the occasional post that hits the "that ain't right" nerve). And, at some point, I just have to jump in and start trying things.

Just don't try a bunch of different things all at once. For me at least; I can't tell which new thing is doing what. If you want to experiment with wicks... so only wicks. If you want to experiment with coil diameters... do just coil diameters. If you want to experiment with the number of wraps.... you get the idea. It may likely be, to find your best setup, it will be a combination of things. But the best way to get there is one step at a time.

I’m proud of going that DIY and rebuildable route, as I truly enjoy the control, but I need to figure this out entirely before I invest further.

And you should be. If you are like me, and enjoy the "doing," it can be extremely rewarding. The magic comes from having reasonable expectations (not everything is going to work; and that's okay too because I am still learning something), and having patience (the worst time to try something new; is when you are jonesing for a vape "right now!"). Having a tried-and-true rig that you can vape on, while you are experimenting on a second rig, takes a lot of pressure off to "get it right; right now!"

I do, in part, disagree with @Wayneo though. I think you should still revisit your shop. If they genuinely understand the hardware they sold you; I they could be very helpful. If they don't; I hope they have the honesty to say so, and you haven't lost much but a little time. You are still no worse off than you are right now.

I'll wait to hear your results; best wishes!

 

[MoeKeto]

Hey everyone!

I hope everyone had a good long weekend!

So, here’s my update. I returned to the shop on Saturday morning and got them to look at it for me, there was some confusion, as the said that I used the SS316 not the SS316L profile which I gave them the benefit of the doubt, they plugged in my mod, updated it to the latest version, took my coil out and built me a new one with better specs, they didn’t space it out much, but the flavour started coming out at 430F with the cool vape.

As I turns out, there were a few elements in play, but, I’m glad that they fixed it, and owned up to it, and didn’t charge me a single dime. Took like an hour of their time on a Saturday and when I offered to pay they didn’t want anything. I was impressed!

Another interesting note to this is that my juices seem to have a weak flavour, because it takes a lot of heat to bring them out, compared to some of their strongest juices. They had a Black Currant by a company called Nasty Vapes and it tasted way stronger at 430F than any of my flavours. So I think I would have to look into this further to make it work better.

Just wanted to thank everyone for their amazing contribution and sorry for not being able to tag everyone as when I use Tapatalk it shows the forum differently, but I’ll reply to each individual again!


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[MoeKeto]

You should have no problem finding a Sallys in Ottawa. I went into hairdressers in town until I found one that uses that 44060 box. Explained what I wanted it for along with a quick vape education to those who wanted to listen. She gave me a few feet from the BOTTOM of the box that was clean, raced home to wicked up my first build in a subtank mini...rest is history. If the rayon has any sorta breakin taste...its wicked wrong, usually to loose in the coil. Bit of research and there is a Sallys in Kamloops so next visit to my son thats a 7 hour drive...got into town later in the afternoon so first stop was Sallys to get my 500' box of vape nirvana. Cut the box into manageable ziplocks so it stays clean, always digging into the box the dust gets in so grabbing a ziplock is much easier.

I went to Sally Beauty Supply in Orleans, where I live, and man it was an experience lol. That number you sent saved me, as I looked so out of place and they didn’t know what I was talking about lol. I had done some reading on rayon so I went in trying not to scare them with the technicalities but when they asked me what it was used for and I said vaping, the whole store went quiet lol. So I felt inclined to explain. Anyways, I hope that I had interested more people into vaping, told them that it was a better material and explained how it works and how vaping actually works, started a conversation with another guy who was there with his family, all seemed good lol.

They couldn’t find the box until I gave them that magic number, 44060, and then she handed me a big box, which if this works for me like it worked for you, I will never buy cotton again lol.

I will be wicking with it when I try my new batch of DIY eLiquid that’s still brewing, yes, I’m corny and I like to use alcohol terms lol. I have this thought that I need things to brew first, and then ate them lol, steeping is still new to me lol.

Thanks again for this, I’ll wick with it and let you know how it goes!


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[MoeKeto]

I am guessing you are not locking the barrel down properly. The deck has a notch (that the coil needs to be lined up with) the barrel fits in when properly pushed/twisted down and seated all the way. If you push down and twist the barrel to lock it down all the way your tubes are probably going to touch your coil because it is misaligned.

Here is a pic of mine from above with the barrel on and a pic of the coil with the barrel removed where I circled the notch because my camera didn't focus thanks to my shaky hands.

Here is my pulse 22 with a 0.35 ohm build on my RSQ vaping TC SS mode at 450 - 470 F and 55 watts with airflow wide open.

That looks awesome! They fixed up the coil by rebuilding it with a similar set up to what you have, using those little grooves to line it up. The first guy who built it sort of gave it a bit of extra space, I guess that was one of the mistakes. They also updated the mod firmware and told me that I was using Stainless Steel 316 instead of the SS316L. In either case, it tastes much better now, and the issue seemed to be that my juice was also too weak. Some of their strongest tasting flavours were flavourful at 430F while mine didn't, so I guess it was the flavour, and now I have to find ways to improve it. Apparently it takes a lot of chemistry, to actually understand how the molecules react with heat, and that's what I will have to do lol. This vaping world is AMAZING!

But for your coil, how do you get 0.35 ohm with five wraps? I would like to build something like that. I mean, it looks pretty efficient and that spaced out coil must give excellent flavour. What are the specs of this wire? I couldn't tell if was just a single wire or Clapton.

 

[Fozzy71]

But for your coil, how do you get 0.35 ohm with five wraps? I would like to build something like that. I mean, it looks pretty efficient and that spaced out coil must give excellent flavour. What are the specs of this wire? I couldn't tell if was just a single wire or Clapton.

I bought them from AVS here - 10 Pack Triple Core Fused Clapton Coils 316L SS (28gx3 /36g) or (30gx3 /38g)

Tri-Core Fused Clapton SS 30GX3/38G / 3MM / 5 wrap

and the issue seemed to be that my juice was also too weak.

You made it yourself? Did you let it steep? If not, that is step 1. Mix it, shake it and let it sit in the dark for a few weeks. I DIY and I never vape anything unless it has steeped 4 - 6 weeks minimum. I am usually vaping juice that is 2 - 6 months old.

 

[IDJoel]

So, here’s my update. I returned to the shop on Saturday morning and got them to look at it for me, there was some confusion, as the said that I used the SS316 not the SS316L profile which I gave them the benefit of the doubt, they plugged in my mod, updated it to the latest version, took my coil out and built me a new one with better specs, they didn’t space it out much, but the flavour started coming out at 430F with the cool vape.

Outstanding! I am glad they got you squared away. I hope they showed you "what," and "how," as they were doing it. It is good that they fixed the issues' but it is better if they taught you to be able to fix them yourself going forward. Are you now able to connect to EScribe on your own?

They sound like a good shop; and I like the way they conduct business. Don't stop using them as a resource.

Another interesting note to this is that my juices seem to have a weak flavour, because it takes a lot of heat to bring them out, compared to some of their strongest juices. They had a Black Currant by a company called Nasty Vapes and it tasted way stronger at 430F than any of my flavours. So I think I would have to look into this further to make it work better.

@Fozzy71 asked a good question; is your juice-in-question one of your DIY creations, or a commercial juice? If it is a DIY effort, and you are willing to post it, we might be able to offer some suggestions.

I find, from my own experience, that a recipe will require changes depending on the hardware I will be vaping it on. A juice made for a high resistance, low wattage, MTL tank setup, will taste much different if I vape it on a low resistance, high wattage, DTL dripper.

There are all sorts of variables introduced by hardware. Chamber size, airflow volume, airflow point-of-contact, resistance, coil mass, wicking material, and wicking method; are just the ones that come to mind at this moment. As these change; so will the flavor of the juice.

Trying to change both at the same time successfully is near impossible. If you are working on the hardware side of things; it is best to use a tried-and-true e-liquid... something you know the flavor of well (commercial is perfectly fine if you don't have a recipe nailed down yet). This allows you to better understand when a particular build is "working," and when it isn't. If you are working on DIY; having a consistent/repeatable hardware setup is essential to me. When I have a a setup I know produces flavor; I can adapt my recipe to work in that setup.

Just wanted to thank everyone for their amazing contribution and sorry for not being able to tag everyone as when I use Tapatalk it shows the forum differently, but I’ll reply to each individual again!

Nothing to be sorry about; group replies are not rude.

They couldn’t find the box until I gave them that magic number, 44060, and then she handed me a big box, which if this works for me like it worked for you, I will never buy cotton again lol.

For learning to wick with rayon; there is a great thread over in the hardware section:
Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2
Though this is a continuation of a previous thread; there is no need to go back to part one (unless you just "want" to). But, do read all the posts in the first 2 or three pages, to get an understanding on how to wick with rayon (some great tutorials there). Rayon behaves differently than cotton; so we must wick it somewhat differently.

I know the thread is huge and can be a bit overwhelming. If, after reading the first few pages, you have questions; I would encourage you to ask in that thread. They are very receptive to new rayon users and will bend over backwards to help you.

Coil questions I would start here: Coil Builds

For your Pulse BF; you can see what others are doing here: RDA - Pulse BF atty from Vandy Vape

And for your Lost Vapes Therion DNA75C BF; check out: Therion Squonker DNA75C

You've already found the right place for DIY!