Fogger v2 performance upgrades

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I have tried 2 mm hollow ekowool no luck, then 2x1.5 mm silica, neither of those worked. Dry hits all the time. Most succesful setup is mesh and 1.5 mm silica on top of it. Still not saturated enough. Waiting for suggestions.

Cotton. I never had a dry hit. Use cotton yarn if possible and don't use a ton.

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Cotton. I never had a dry hit. Use cotton yarn if possible and don't use a ton.

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I was a big fan of cotton until a friend of mine who is a medical doctor told me that cotton fibers have 0.5-5 micron diameter which does permament damage to lungs and alveoli, with consistant usage it will cause pneumoconiosis eventually. I dont like mesh either for health reasons but never had any luck with silica.
I think the problem with the fogger is that chimney strangling the wick, I might try cutting silica a bit shorter so that it won'tget out of base at all. I fear it might be flooded if there is too much gap between silica and the hole for excess wick.
 
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If cotton were that hazardous to our health we'd have been extinct a long time ago. Cotton has been used for clothing since at least 5000BCE in both the Old World and the New. I still like ceramic better, but just sayin'...

Inhaling from a cotton fiber is not the same thing as wearing it. Everytime you fire it many fibers got separated from the wick and gora to your lungs. Proper silica has 5-10 micron diameter which is big enough to be coughed or got out of your system by mucus, however cotton cannot.
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I was a big fan of cotton until a friend of mine who is a medical doctor told me that cotton fibers have 0.5-5 micron diameter which does permament damage to lungs and alveoli, with consistant usage it will cause pneumoconiosis eventually. I dont like mesh either for health reasons but never had any luck with silica.
I think the problem with the fogger is that chimney strangling the wick, I might try cutting silica a bit shorter so that it won'tget out of base at all. I fear it might be flooded if there is too much gap between silica and the hole for excess wick.

Inhaling from a cotton fiber is not the same thing as wearing it. Everytime you fire it many fibers got separated from the wick and gora to your lungs. Proper silica has 5-10 micron diameter which is big enough to be coughed or got out of your system by mucus, however cotton cannot.
These are the words of a doctor who is also a vaper

Sorry, still not buying it. If you do just a minimal amount of googlefu you easily get a sense that cotton fibers are actually in the 10-20µm range, much larger than any size that would make them an inhalation hazard.
for example: http://www.ugacotton.com/vault/rer/2009/p028RER2009.pdf

Your doctor friend should probably know that cell size is a pretty conserved feature of multicellular life, and macroscopic structures derived from cells in living things generally are at least as big as one cell. In this case, eukaryotic cells are usually in the 10-100µm range, so natural fibers such as cotton, linen, or hemp cannot be significantly smaller than 10µm.
 
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Sorry, still not buying it. If you do just a minimal amount of googlefu you easily get a sense that cotton fibers are actually in the 10-20µm range, much larger than any size that would make them an inhalation hazard.
for example: http://www.ugacotton.com/vault/rer/2009/p028RER2009.pdf

Your doctor friend should probably know that cell size is a pretty conserved feature of multicellular life, and macroscopic structures derived from cells in living things generally are at least as big as one cell. In this case, eukaryotic cells are usually in the 10-100µm range, so natural fibers such as cotton, linen, or hemp cannot be significantly smaller than 10µm.

Then what about this? Byssinosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I know we don't inhale as much amount as cotton fabric workers but, cotton decays on the surface of coil every time it is fired as it is not very heat resistant. You might beright but at least we can say it is not as safe as proper silica. XC-116 is said to be best in terms of heat resistant and fiber diameter, but I can't find it anywhere around in my country.
 

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Then what about this? Byssinosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I know we don't inhale as much amount as cotton fabric workers but, cotton decays on the surface of coil every time it is fired as it is not very heat resistant. You might beright but at least we can say it is not as safe as proper silica. XC-116 is said to be best in terms of heat resistant and fiber diameter, but I can't find it anywhere around in my country.

I've read XC-116 can be super bad for your health if not heat treated properly...but I'm not certain. Apparently even the manufacture got involved when they found out the product was being used for wicking in ecigs. One company won't sell it to you because it's for industrial use, and not for human consumption uses, etc...

I've heard once it's heat treated its safe, but I'm still confused since the XC116 is SO heat resistant, I'm not sure baking it in a kiln for 12 hours at 1300 degrees Fahrenheit is actually doing much? I know it's cuts better after heat treatment, I've seen the YouTube videos. But that stuff can take like 2000+ degrees.

Like I said, I don't know. Some people here boil their cotton before using it, I personally do NOT. Not the organic cotton balls I've used or the peaches & cream 100% cotton yarn I used (and I use the yarn a lot and really like it since its SO easy to thread)

I guess when you get down to it, who knows what's in some of the juice were vaping? I vaped juice made in China, all the time...who knows what's in there! LOL

My brother always says in 5 years you'll see those tv lawyers commercials that say if you or a loved one ever vaped, call 1-800-BAD-DRUG.... LMAO

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Then what about this? Byssinosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I know we don't inhale as much amount as cotton fabric workers but, cotton decays on the surface of coil every time it is fired as it is not very heat resistant. You might beright but at least we can say it is not as safe as proper silica. XC-116 is said to be best in terms of heat resistant and fiber diameter, but I can't find it anywhere around in my country.

This is pure conjecture. I don't think this applies to the way we utilize cotton. For vaping, cotton is used as a wick, which means that it is kept saturated in liquid. I doubt that any cotton dust is being produced.

As for silica wicks, below are OSHA papers that may interest you. I only post this to show that no wicking material may be safe. We really need serious studies to be conducted to determine whether or not vaping is safe. What about all the other materials that are used, such as plastic tanks, chrome platings, nichrome or kanthal wire, welding materials etc? We haven't even considered these as yet.

https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/syntheticmineralfibers/index.html
 

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This has actually been a great, hassle-free setup. Ok, so the construction of the ceramic piece is a total PIA, but you only have to do it once... The I just replace the hemp fill and dry burn clean.

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In case you've been wandering, that coil is triple-twisted Kanthal-A1 32ga.
 
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The stone is the infamous Bon 60 grit white tile rubbing stone that always seems to be out of stock on Amazon.

Cut and shaped with Dremel and diamond tools. Drilled with a 2.5mm diamond bit.

The bottom of the piece is curved such that it leaves an airspace of about 1mm to the air tube. I did this to prevent gurgling.

The rest of the chamber is packed very loosely with hemp fiber (bleached with oxyclean, boiled, dried in the microwave). I do need to use the silicone o-ring around the chimney threads to prevent floods.
 
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This is pure conjecture. I don't think this applies to the way we utilize cotton. For vaping, cotton is used as a wick, which means that it is kept saturated in liquid. I doubt that any cotton dust is being produced.

As for silica wicks, below are OSHA papers that may interest you. I only post this to show that no wicking material may be safe. We really need serious studies to be conducted to determine whether or not vaping is safe. What about all the other materials that are used, such as plastic tanks, chrome platings, nichrome or kanthal wire, welding materials etc? We haven't even considered these as yet.

https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/syntheticmineralfibers/index.html

I know there is not enough research about these subject but I must correct you about something. Even though cotton is saturated and it doesn't burn directly when coil is fired, you give energy when heated and it results in defragmentation. Then those particles get into your lungs although not as much as cotton workers. But still it is a usual suspect.
 
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