Fogger V4!!

[bsoplinger]

I don't wanna know how many builds it took to get to that!

Its a great atomizer once you get the build right. Dialed mine in on the second try. But it took me almost a dozen builds to get my kayfun working properly so I can really sympathize with your problem. I got so angry having heard so much about how a kayfun was better than a clearomizer and I couldn't get a build to even be on par with an Aerotank. Perhaps luckily I got the V4.3 (per this threads definition, the one with the big deck) which is most happy with kayfun type builds so after my first build with cotton, I joined the rayon revolution and the second wicking of my initial build was great. I felt like I felt after I'd gotten that Kayfun build correct. It was a so this is what they're all talking about moment. So just stick with it, I'm sure you'll get there.

I also have been coiling my wicks with rayon the same way @thekiwi is and I'm not noticing a whole lot of difference compared to cotton. It's definitely smoother and haven't had a dry hit, but the flavor and vapor seem to be on par. I'm not sure if I'm doing anything wrong here. The other thing I noticed is that with rayon, my juice lasts longer than with cotton. I thought it was supposed to be the other way around. Guess there's a bit more trial and error to be had with it. I think I put too much rayon the first go around.

I have the large deck and wick like a Kayfun, nothing in the channel just over it. Otherwise my builds look much like what the kiwi shows with the exception that I use noticeably less rayon...

My gut reaction to what you're saying is that you've got too much wick. It really should go faster because rayon does wick better and you should notice at least either an increase in the wetness of the vapor or flavor.

The one thing I've found from my switch from cotton to rayon, may not apply to you, is that rayon is so good at wicking it works so well that when you get it wrong you may not realize it. If the density is so high that the center of the coil ends up not getting any juice from the wick inside the coil just the shoulders and the wick at the outside edges will keep the coil wet enough to prevent dry hits. You won't get the moistness, flavor or vapor of doing it right but you'll get something akin to what you were getting with cotton. So if you're not really seeing a difference try reducing the amount you use. Another clue to too high a density is gunk. There's no way, with perhaps the exception of a NET, that after a tankful the wick would be extremely dirty, let alone needing a dry burn. So check on it after the initial tank and if you see a lot of dirt or gunk know you've used too much.

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[TheKiwi]

Hey kiwi, what's the res on that build? I would even venture to say that you could use quite a bit less wick than that.
Pic1: I'd go for a more aggressive angle, thinning the tails by 40%. Each
Pic2: the left tail pictured goes from the coil out, up and kinks down and back towards the inside. If it was cut more aggressively it would mellow down the shoulder wick faster and keep up with lower ohms.

Just wanted to throw that out there, obviously it's working now, that's how mine were on my first builds, and the way I've just described are what I've gotten closer to as I've pushed it harder and harder.
Just my 2 cents.
Vapor!

Ah that was 1.2ohms. Unfortunately I'm currently stuck outta country with only my provari. So there's that. Haha.

I'll take pictures of my next rewick and try a more aggressive cut on the tail and see how that works. Only problem is with my provari I wouldn't be able to test it at higher voltage but we'll see. The picture was from quite a while back though, and I have been cutting my wicks quite a tad shorter so that there isn't so much scrunching up but yeah, thanks for the input! I'll see what I can cook up next!


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[Tbev]

Always keep pushing the limits.... Then it will leak!

 

[timastyle]

I have the large deck and wick like a Kayfun, nothing in the channel just over it. Otherwise my builds look much like what the kiwi shows with the exception that I use noticeably less rayon...

My gut reaction to what you're saying is that you've got too much wick. It really should go faster because rayon does wick better and you should notice at least either an increase in the wetness of the vapor or flavor.

The one thing I've found from my switch from cotton to rayon, may not apply to you, is that rayon is so good at wicking it works so well that when you get it wrong you may not realize it. If the density is so high that the center of the coil ends up not getting any juice from the wick inside the coil just the shoulders and the wick at the outside edges will keep the coil wet enough to prevent dry hits. You won't get the moistness, flavor or vapor of doing it right but you'll get something akin to what you were getting with cotton. So if you're not really seeing a difference try reducing the amount you use. Another clue to too high a density is gunk. There's no way, with perhaps the exception of a NET, that after a tankful the wick would be extremely dirty, let alone needing a dry burn. So check on it after the initial tank and if you see a lot of dirt or gunk know you've used too much.

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bsoplinger - I'll given the lesser wick a try after this one. I'll snap a pic of the coil/wick as I run out of juice and post it here prior to doing anything. I have the rayon running down the channels and I cut them at an angle as Tbev suggested. The rayon played back and forth a bit with some tension (about as much as I do as cotton and how drifter X suggested in his video).

 

[Tbev]

Well not 30 seconds after recommending less wick the Fv4 I have on my provari just ...... a full tank out on my chest...... It doesn't leak standing up but on its side, empty!

 

[bsoplinger]

Well not 30 seconds after recommending less wick the Fv4 I have on my provari just ...... a full tank out on my chest...... It doesn't leak standing up but on its side, empty!

Try adding a bit of alpaca fur to the build

Had something similar happen to me. But that was a week ago. Haven't changed the wick or done anything to it other than refill and I lay it down often. So I just put it down to a pressure issue, perhaps a big swing in air pressure from when I filled it to the time when it gurgled out or temperature but something along those lines because it hasn't happened since.

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[Tbev]

I wrote it off as bad gew gew

 

[nopoison]

Well not 30 seconds after recommending less wick the Fv4 I have on my provari just ...... a full tank out on my chest...... It doesn't leak standing up but on its side, empty!

Sorry to hear that!! I was lucky and it happened in my case! I have some rayon waiting for me to play with later tonight!! [emoji2]
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=583283

 

[WharfRat1976]

Just rewicked after my 3rd tank. Dry burned and brushed. Too lazy to do a coil change. Coils high off the deck with U wicks just touching the decks. No leaks at all. Maybe a little thru airholes since the rayon makes it a saturating juice ...... .6 ohm build at 9.5watts full flavor wet and warmish.

And here is my new addition to the family:

 

[WharfRat1976]

It wasn't thaaaaat much. Maybe 15?

But that's just how building different attys are. I had kayfuns nailed down right from my first build, but I cannot build a non-leaky taifun Gt to save my sorry ... in spite of the number of other people who have it nailed down from the start.

Anyways here's how I've been building mine now

I used a bigger diameter coil (2mm), then followed tbev's advice and snipped the ends at an angle, then poke just the tiniest bit of wick into the channel. It looks a lot more than it really is in the picture tho. I've also been snipping the wicks a bit shorter to reduce the bulge on the edges of the coil, and lowered the coil closer to the air hole

With all due repect, there is no way the chimney will screw down without mangling those wicks hanging well over the chimney threads. Not gonna happen.

Awsum, if you scroll back to the middle of the thread, the vast majority and "experts" posting at the time said to do an Aqua type build on the Fogger is a huge mistake. There are pages and pages touting the KFL deck build. I am just reposting what I learned from this thread.

As you say, "to each his own" and I am sure Kiwi's build works for him and that's awesome.

I know it's a monster thread but well worth going back to the guts of the comments where all the most valuable information can be ascertained.

 

[TheKiwi]

With all due repect, there is no way the chimney will screw down without mangling those wicks hanging well over the chimney threads. Not gonna happen.

Oh no offence taken. That said, it's kinda hard to read that there's no way when I'm looking at it everything is nice and snug. I do use a precision screwdriver to nudge my cotton into place while I'm screwing my chimney section down though.

In any case, I thought the kayfun wicking style was what worked best specifically for the 4.3 with the wide deck? At least that's what I've read. For most part it seems like for the smaller deck versions, folks still do tuck a smidgen into the channels. I could never stop my fogger from leaking when I have no wick at all in the channel

Maybe others can chime in?


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[AMDTrucking]

First look and first build on EHPro Big Buddha.
Nothing special, just two 28 Gauge coils 2.4mm ID, 7 wraps. Came out 0.65 Ohms.
Rayon Wicks, Kayfun style.
I've been vaping on it for the last 30 minutes. Tons of thick, dense vapor and no dry hits or leaking.
This is my first Buddha build, please do not judge to hard.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Looks like a trucker sized rig their good buddy. Smokey takin pictures up ahead now- catch ya on the flip flop...Roger that- Over.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Oh no offence taken. That said, it's kinda hard to read that there's no way when I'm looking at it everything is nice and snug. I do use a precision screwdriver to nudge my cotton into place while I'm screwing my chimney section down though.

In any case, I thought the kayfun wicking style was what worked best specifically for the 4.3 with the wide deck? At least that's what I've read. For most part it seems like for the smaller deck versions, folks still do tuck a smidgen into the channels. I could never stop my fogger from leaking when I have no wick at all in the channel

Maybe others can chime in?

YEP, mines usually a hot mess when full- When I am half way through it usually does not leak at all. Nice build and glad you are enjoying yours as much as I am. I cannot wait to rig up my new Magma. I want to compare it to my Norbert- We shall see.

But yea, going back to the middle of this thread you will see guys storm trooping that any Aqua type build on any of the Foggers is a problem so I just KFL mine and it rocks...

 

[Tbev]

I almost took pictures of my dad's @1.4ohm today when I rewicked it but I didn't, sorry. It's got short tails angle cut to reduce the tails by half, points at the tips, halfway down the channels. Mine @0.5 0hm, same, I can always hear the juice popping inside on the coils, nice wet vapor, no leaks.

 

[AMDTrucking]

Looks like a trucker sized rig their good buddy. Smokey takin pictures up ahead now- catch ya on the flip flop...Roger that- Over.

I think your trucker's impression is stuck somewhere in the 60th of 70th... ... Over.

 

[Uncletattoowhat]

I. Am. Loving. This. Tank. Running dual 26ga at .4ohm wicked with Delasco rayon kayfun style. This thing blows my kfl+ and kfl+v2 out of the water.

Thanks so much to this thread and Tbev's relentless plugging for it lol.

I took the air control ring off completely, but I may have to open up the airflow holes a bit. Still a little tighter than I'd like it.

Cheers!


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[bsoplinger]

My build is around 0.8 ohm, dual horizontal coils. Nothing fancy but it works well enough for me. Compared to my Kayfun builds its a warmer, more moist and flavorful vape. More vapor too but nothing crazy like twice as much or anything. But what confuses me is that I use it with the AFC engaged about halfway I guess. I'm also happy with the air flow on my Kayfuns and their 1.6 ohm builds.

Why is it that everyone else seems to be wanting more airflow in their atomizers and I'm content? Do my tastes truly run that counter to everyone else or am I vaping wrong?

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[Tbev]

I. Am. Loving. This. Tank. Running dual 26ga at .4ohm wicked with Delasco rayon kayfun style. This thing blows my kfl+ and kfl+v2 out of the water.

Thanks so much to this thread and Tbev's relentless plugging for it lol.

I took the air control ring off completely, but I may have to open up the airflow holes a bit. Still a little tighter than I'd like it.

Cheers!


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Glad you like it bud! Looks great too!

 

[TheKiwi]

My build is around 0.8 ohm, dual horizontal coils. Nothing fancy but it works well enough for me. Compared to my Kayfun builds its a warmer, more moist and flavorful vape. More vapor too but nothing crazy like twice as much or anything. But what confuses me is that I use it with the AFC engaged about halfway I guess. I'm also happy with the air flow on my Kayfuns and their 1.6 ohm builds.

Why is it that everyone else seems to be wanting more airflow in their atomizers and I'm content? Do my tastes truly run that counter to everyone else or am I vaping wrong?

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Naw. It's all personal preferences really. If you're more of a mouth to lung hitter, the stock airflow of the fogger is gonna be waaaay more than enough.

It's the folks who are straight lung hitters who will need a looser airflow. Or high wattage vapers; the extra airflow makes a HUGE difference in cooling a scorching hot vape down to a warm or cool vape and I guess if you're chasing clouds.

I wouldn't think too much about it tbh; whatever floats your boat, is the right way to vape


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