For the love of god can some explain the $200 plus mechanical mods

[Tbev]

I wanted a bottom feeder, I have everything else and I'm on the hunt for the perfect vape. I figured a Rio is the best available but it's not good enough, in my opinion, don't give me any crap reo guys, my feeder will kill your reo, so I built one myself, I thought about doing a run of them for sale, I've got a bunch of people that want one but I decided that I would have to sell them for too much money to make me OK with the amount of time involved, and the honest truth.... It's mine, and nobody else can have it.
That being said I see the reason behind high prices, you have to justify either multiple cnc machines or Mills, lathes, presses, etc. All high dollar equipment, or lots of hours turning then out for production by hand.
I think you also want to get as much as you can for your idea before China clones it.

Another thing I've learned is that some things like the mod I made, would not be cost effective to Clone at the same quality. It simply wouldn't work as well as far as v drop, efficiency,etc. goes without shelling out the money for quality materials to begin with.

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[NiburianElf]

I believe at such a small scale it is quite expensive to produce these things... Now why someone would want to spend the 200 dollars on a well made metal tube...idk. Brand name authentic mods that are known to work well are worth the money, but so are well-made proven clones ... I guess the best example of an affordable authentic mod would be the Magneto. More mod makers should consider competing with clones by finding a way to get their price down, this would be the natural flow of the market right?

Either way I have no serious moral dilemma with clones considering we all have the ability to make our own decisions about purchasing what we want to purchase. Selling clones as authentics I do disagree with that practice.

 

[PLANofMAN]

Anyone remember the Oni by Vape Los Angeles debacle? Vape Los Angeles | VXLA | Modified $150 mod, supposedly designed and made in America, but in reality, an Enzonic EHPro clone made in China.

 

[Alchemy]

If you find the originals too expensive then so be it, there are other options. Have a nice vape that's all that matters in the end.

 

[WattWick]

If all there was to it was a tube and a button, we'd all be using the same mod. Personal preference plays a big part. Not only to the end-user, but also to the designer that can't find exactly what they want on the market.

Visual design. Button placement. Size. Button design; recessed, protruding, magnetic, spring, locking mechanism, venting... etc and so forth.

There are quite a few variables. Once you figure out more about exactly how you want your allday-everyday devices to look and feel, you may realize that this exact set of preferences is not found in a whole lot of devices. There may not even be enough of a market for this specific set of preferences that there is any sense in having a Chinese factory churn out tens of thousands of mods to make them for cheap. Making 10.000+ of something is cheap per unit. Making 10-100 of something at a time requires far less of an investment up front, but costs a lot more per unit.

Want a cheap not-clone mod? You better agree with the designers at Smok or UD. Want a cheap clone? You better pray the original mod that best matches your preferences gain enough popularity to make cloning it a safe investment.

 

[Tbev]

Your half right elf.... The other way is to make a product that is so much better the Clone market cannot compete,.
This is my prototype that has turned into my baby my adv and is better in every aspect of vaping.

If you want all the specs you can check out my thread, I haven't been very active there lately but there lots of pics n stuff.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lit-aluminum-sub-ohm-bottom-feeder-beast.html

 

[jimivapr]

I get what yr all saying, quality is important, food should be high quality, your car should be high quality, your wife's purse should be high quality, but we're talking here about a steel tube with a button.
No fancy electronics, no clockwork mechanics, just a tube with a button.

Someone said the original is going to last a lifetime, but let's face it, yr going to buy a new mod next month anyways.

Have you missed seeing the never ending stream of posts by people having nasty problems? The number of posts about removing 'flavor wicks'? Think any of this has to do with the onslaught of bogus hardware in this space? no?


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[Heavyrocker]

More cash is spent on the clones than the orginals if you ask me,some people have 20 clones and tanks.

 

[jimivapr]

More cash is spent on the clones than the orginals if you ask me,some people have 20 clones and tanks.

I'll bet that nearly everyone who starts vaping gets burnt by the 'clone' crap several times before they either give up or find a real piece of hardware that actually works. I wish there were a more straightforward way to get going. It's strange that patent fraud is so widely accepted, if not respected, on this site.


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[PLANofMAN]

I'll bet that nearly everyone who starts vaping gets burnt by the 'clone' crap several times before they either give up or find a real piece of hardware that actually works. I wish there were a more straightforward way to get going. It's strange that patent fraud is so widely accepted, if not respected, on this site.


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Probably because few modders can afford to take out patents, let alone international patents.

 

[Purplepeeps]

Your half right elf.... The other way is to make a product that is so much better the Clone market cannot compete,.
This is my prototype that has turned into my baby my adv and is better in every aspect of vaping.

If you want all the specs you can check out my thread, I haven't been very active there lately but there lots of pics n stuff.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lit-aluminum-sub-ohm-bottom-feeder-beast.html

Are you going to engrave it? That would look cool!

 

[Tbev]

Personally I like the current "right of the mill" look but if you look at the thread, there's a block, I use these for decks to hold attys on when I build, one has a media blasted finish, that's what the Nimbus cap is, it used to be gold, and another block is a hastily done mirror finish, I was going to put mirror serial numbers over media blasting on the bottom but since it's mine I'll probably just media blast the bottom for the heck of it, and leave it alone. I've been waiting for something to break/wear out so I had an excuse to play with it at the shop but it just keeps on working so I haven't touched it. I also thought about anodizing, coating like a provari, etc, I can do anything I just prefer this look.

If I engraved anything on it I would make it like Sammy L's wallet, "it would be, the one that says" "BAD MOTHER FFCKER " on it.



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[Tbev]

Just to get back on topic, may just be me but a device like mine, being a bottom feeder with all the features this has would be something I would justify spending a lot more money on a tube mod, especially one that doesn't even have the sense to recess the bottom button to eliminate the safety.

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[HawaiiVPR]

If you are vaping a (insert product here) next to me, and I don't ask you if its real or not, guess what? It means I don't care, so don't bother telling me how clever you are for buying a clone, or how superior your mod is because it original.

You buy what you can afford, and you enjoy what you buy. Doesn't matter if you are a newb or a seasoned pro, you vape to get off cigarettes, everything else is just icing on a cake. Some people like cake, some don't, and there's not a thing anyone can do about that, so to each their own and so on so forth.. LOL

 

[tj99959]

If you are vaping a (insert product here) next to me, and I don't ask you if its real or not, guess what? It means I don't care, so don't bother telling me how clever you are for buying a clone, or how superior your mod is because it original.

You buy what you can afford, and you enjoy what you buy. Doesn't matter if you are a newb or a seasoned pro, you vape to get off cigarettes, everything else is just icing on a cake. Some people like cake, some don't, and there's not a thing anyone can do about that, so to each their own and so on so forth.. LOL

I would ask you "how well does it work", not if it's a clone or not.

 

[tragictaste]

What about $150 for a mod+atty hybrid, is this still unreasonable?

 

[EvilZoe]

What about $150 for a mod+atty hybrid, is this still unreasonable?

Only if you don't like it...lol

 

[Miira]

If you are vaping a (insert product here) next to me, and I don't ask you if its real or not, guess what? It means I don't care, so don't bother telling me how clever you are for buying a clone, or how superior your mod is because it original.

You buy what you can afford, and you enjoy what you buy. Doesn't matter if you are a newb or a seasoned pro, you vape to get off cigarettes, everything else is just icing on a cake. Some people like cake, some don't, and there's not a thing anyone can do about that, so to each their own and so on so forth.. LOL

This. I am only going to ask where you got it if I am looking to buy one.

 

[WattWick]

I could cross the $200 line for a hybrid, but I'm not paying that kind of money for a mod. It gets to a point where it feels like the only thing that adds "value" is the fact that something costs a lot. Unless there is a lot of clever design and machining involved, I feel this limit is at about $150. Much above that; someone is doing something wrong. Either in the design, machining or pricing department. Or a combination thereof.

 

[Nikkita6]

Anyone remember the Oni by Vape Los Angeles debacle? Vape Los Angeles | VXLA | Modified $150 mod, supposedly designed and made in America, but in reality, an Enzonic EHPro clone made in China.

Sure do ... and its for sale on FT right now for $21, and one of my ECF gf's just received one today ... she loves it, and at $21 why shouldn't she?