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I've been mulling over this thread since yesterday. One thing no one has brought up is the size of our devices. I'm a petite lady (I prefer that term to "runt") with very small hands; made the switch with a cigalike. Very comfortable size and weight. Added an eGo and ProTank to the arsenal; love the device for how it produces, but it's almost too big and heavy for me to handle. I rotate between cigalike and eGO, depending on mood. So IMO it's another factor to add to the "what's right for me?" equation.
PS: I'm anxiously awaiting the advent of the mini ProTank for reasons stated above! And for someone to come up with a 1000mAh cigalike-size battery...
PS: I'm anxiously awaiting the advent of the mini ProTank for reasons stated above! And for someone to come up with a 1000mAh cigalike-size battery...
You might not have to wait that long...
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I use everything from an old volt 808 cigalike to and ego to a vamo. They all give a perfectly fine vape. Some just work better in certain circumstances in my life than others so I swap out. Not everyone needs to do that.
DO what works for YOU! Staying off stinkies is the name of the game.
DO what works for YOU! Staying off stinkies is the name of the game.
A good point was made about other inexpensive devices - ego, whatnot - really - the device is, for all intents and purposes - a VOLTAGE source - and that's all. If 2 devices put out the exact same voltage to the atomizer - they will provide the same vape.
The rest is looks, battery capacity, build quality, features - but truth is - I CAN take 2 wires, connect them to a battery, and then connect them to the atomizer when I want to vape - and it will be...exactly the same vape (just...inconvenient as all hell).
There are a lot of very well built and inexpensive mods and atomizers that I still use and recommend. Vamo, of course - but there are a lot of similar devices. I do recommend a variable WATTAGE device - it is so much easier - no worrying about resistance - just set it and go. Vivi Novas are fine - I just feel they have been left behind by some of the newer clearomizers out there - plus- there are so many Nova clones that you don't know if you are getting a real VISION nova - or a piece of crap that will overflow your toilet when you put it where it belongs.
If you want to get into rebuildables - there are a ton of good ones that are not expensive. The RSST is probably, IMHO, the best of the bunch. I have one here that I have drilled out to 1/16 inch airhole - and.....it's almost too intense. Almost. AGA's are also great, and some of the outright clones are okay - but when you start getting down to the 12-15 dollar price point - well.....
Does the high end stuff vape noticeably better than the "good" stuff? It can - but it's likely a combination of the device quality AND the knowledge of the person - someone that spends a lot of money is likely to LEARN the craft very well. As I did say above - the RSST I have - damn - but it's a combination of a good device and being setup CORRECT.
If you want to get into the high end stuff - wait. Especially with genesis and Odysseus/Ithaka/Penelope atomizers and the like - wait. Wait until you can setup your RSST - AGA-T, Terminator-C, or whatnot - in your sleep. You may not need to move on once you learn how to set them up - I have ALL of the above devices, and they vape like a DREAM.
As I mentioned in the first post though - never be ashamed of what you vape - if it works for you - it's right for you. Yes - I chase the perfect vape and throw quite a bit of money at it - but that's me - and - sure, I have found some vapes that are incredible - but again....there is that silly RSST....and it's crazy good.
Some real quick advice and I will move on. Don't stack batteries - just - don't. You can read all kinds of things telling you it's safe - it's not. Right now - you might not even know what stacking batteries is - and that's great - but when you get to where you THINK you want to do it - don't. I don't do it - once you get VERY advanced - MAYBE if you WANT to try it and are VERY careful and everything - fine - but I just don't recommend it at all. Hope that was CLEAR?
Find a juice you LOVE - not like - LOVE. You can spend a lot of effort and money tasting juices and whatnot - but, hopefully, you will find 5 or so that you can vape all day long. There are a lot of good juices out there - and there is a lot of...well, CRAP - I know - tase is subjective - but sometimes - crap is exactly that!
Keep vaping. If you have a question or whatnot, send a message - be happy to help you.
The rest is looks, battery capacity, build quality, features - but truth is - I CAN take 2 wires, connect them to a battery, and then connect them to the atomizer when I want to vape - and it will be...exactly the same vape (just...inconvenient as all hell).
There are a lot of very well built and inexpensive mods and atomizers that I still use and recommend. Vamo, of course - but there are a lot of similar devices. I do recommend a variable WATTAGE device - it is so much easier - no worrying about resistance - just set it and go. Vivi Novas are fine - I just feel they have been left behind by some of the newer clearomizers out there - plus- there are so many Nova clones that you don't know if you are getting a real VISION nova - or a piece of crap that will overflow your toilet when you put it where it belongs.
If you want to get into rebuildables - there are a ton of good ones that are not expensive. The RSST is probably, IMHO, the best of the bunch. I have one here that I have drilled out to 1/16 inch airhole - and.....it's almost too intense. Almost. AGA's are also great, and some of the outright clones are okay - but when you start getting down to the 12-15 dollar price point - well.....
Does the high end stuff vape noticeably better than the "good" stuff? It can - but it's likely a combination of the device quality AND the knowledge of the person - someone that spends a lot of money is likely to LEARN the craft very well. As I did say above - the RSST I have - damn - but it's a combination of a good device and being setup CORRECT.
If you want to get into the high end stuff - wait. Especially with genesis and Odysseus/Ithaka/Penelope atomizers and the like - wait. Wait until you can setup your RSST - AGA-T, Terminator-C, or whatnot - in your sleep. You may not need to move on once you learn how to set them up - I have ALL of the above devices, and they vape like a DREAM.
As I mentioned in the first post though - never be ashamed of what you vape - if it works for you - it's right for you. Yes - I chase the perfect vape and throw quite a bit of money at it - but that's me - and - sure, I have found some vapes that are incredible - but again....there is that silly RSST....and it's crazy good.
Some real quick advice and I will move on. Don't stack batteries - just - don't. You can read all kinds of things telling you it's safe - it's not. Right now - you might not even know what stacking batteries is - and that's great - but when you get to where you THINK you want to do it - don't. I don't do it - once you get VERY advanced - MAYBE if you WANT to try it and are VERY careful and everything - fine - but I just don't recommend it at all. Hope that was CLEAR?
Find a juice you LOVE - not like - LOVE. You can spend a lot of effort and money tasting juices and whatnot - but, hopefully, you will find 5 or so that you can vape all day long. There are a lot of good juices out there - and there is a lot of...well, CRAP - I know - tase is subjective - but sometimes - crap is exactly that!
Keep vaping. If you have a question or whatnot, send a message - be happy to help you.
An Introduction to Electronic Cigarettes - YouTube
Thanks Todd - there is no better video out there for people wanting to know about vaping and are new to it.
Seriously - well done Todd.
And - for the newbs - Todd is ONE great guy - seriously.
Thanks Todd - there is no better video out there for people wanting to know about vaping and are new to it.
Seriously - well done Todd.
And - for the newbs - Todd is ONE great guy - seriously.
Flattering, and thanks for that.
I have all the bells and whistles - mods and such that cost - well - I'm single, so....I don't have to report! The fact though is - it's all about the individual person - what they WANT out of vaping. If a little gas station e-cig works for them - that's terrific (and...I am jealous!) - maybe a VAMO and a protank or whatever in that realm, also great. My own attitude is I have a hobby now - I have expensive toys that I must master (wick and coil and all that fun) - but - I don't smoke so - I don't care what I spend (I mentioned I am single - that IS important here!).
Be happy with what you have - and - maybe you want something different but can't afford "X" device - ask! There are usually many alternatives to a "top" product that essentially are the same - as an example - the Cobra clone. I have a real Cobra - and I had the clone - the vape - pretty much the same.
The only thing that is important really is - if you have been able to quit smoking or are working at it - stay the course. Find something that works for YOU - doesn't matter what it is if you are happy with it - and ENJOY it. Feel free to laugh at people like me that spend a ton of money - BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEED TO. The VAPE isn't that different. I can setup a VAMO and a Cobra clone that will...blow your head off..... So - again as I said in a previous post - the expensive rebuildable atomizer isn't going to vape any better than the cheap rebuildable atomizer - it's ALL in how you set it up. The expensive ones are...pretty. The Cobra is titanium - yippee (okay..I like it....) - but - do you need that? The RSST and AGA-T are stainless steel (so is my Zen - but...wait...that was expensive....hmmmm) - see what I am saying? LEARN how to setup a reasonably priced atomizer (I won't say cheap - they are TOO good for that word) - and then - maybe - if you want - get a "top" atomizer - just honestly - don't expect it to be a much, if at all, better vape.
It is STILL hard to beat an RSST with a 1/16th inch air hole. Period. Stainless steel rope, mesh top, easy as can be - and...wow.
Obviously I love to ramble...but..oh well - I am very passionate regarding vaping - and helping folks. I want them to have the information that I didn't have when I started - maybe save them some money by getting them into a really good vape that is also reasonably priced.
Gave a VV ego and protank away to a coworker tonight. He vaped it a couple times. Yep. You are now an ex-smoker - it showed. THAT is what it is all about.
There is a relatively new thing out called a micro - clearomizer that you may want to look into. pbusardo has done a review over on youtube and it appears to be pretty good.
That is exactly it. Whatever works - and NEVER be ashamed or feel that you NEED to have some expensive thing because - whatever.
So - okay - I am passionate about vaping - but then again, guess I should be as I smoked cigarettes for..........27 years at least - and was up to about 2 ppd when I quit. Fact is though - I didn't plan to quit smoking. I had a couple beers and...ran out of smokes. Oops! So - I figured a would just vape for the rest of the night - well - I never bought another pack. Not to say it was EASY - but - it wasn't that hard. Haven't had a single smoke - don't miss them - and truthfully - they stink - really. Nice to know that I am done with them.
All you ever need to do as a vaper - is not smoke cigarettes. That's it. The "secret" is out - if you don't smoke - you WIN.
Sure - there are some folks that want to question if vaping is safe...while they seem to have...no problem with taxable cigarettes.....
Cigarettes have...lord knows how many carcinogenic (CANCER!) causing things - and....e-cigs are...let's see...vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, flavoring, and nicotine. Soo..let's look at the ingredients:
VG - vegetable glycerin - supermarket - tons of stuff - VG
PG - Propylene glycol - uhh...used as a preservative in food and other product - recognized by the FDA as safe and non-carcinogenic
Flavorings - Hello - visit your supermarket - you will find a lot of flavorings are packed in - tada - VG
Nicotine - a stimulant - and - separated from the burning of tobacco - considered about as harmful as...caffeine.
Now - IF you combine the above ingredients and SOMEHOW - they turn into PLUTONIUM - vaping is bad. Otherwise it is far safer than smoking.
Just be aware though folks - the tobacco lobby is large - and they don't like the vaping thing. Come to think of it - Washington isn't too keen on it either - because they are not getting the INCREDIBLE tax dollars that they were getting when you quit smoking. Oh, did you think that the tax was about health? SIN taxes are enforced at an arbitrary level in order to maximize revenue - they are increased to a point where there is an actual DIP in proceeds - and then leveled off - it's the same with alcohol and tobacco. It has never had anything to do with ANYONE'S health - it has ALWAYS been a maximum taxation game and taking advantage of substances that are known to be addictive. Of course - I HATE our government but that's another story......
All you ever need to do as a vaper - is not smoke cigarettes. That's it. The "secret" is out - if you don't smoke - you WIN.
Sure - there are some folks that want to question if vaping is safe...while they seem to have...no problem with taxable cigarettes.....
Cigarettes have...lord knows how many carcinogenic (CANCER!) causing things - and....e-cigs are...let's see...vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, flavoring, and nicotine. Soo..let's look at the ingredients:
VG - vegetable glycerin - supermarket - tons of stuff - VG
PG - Propylene glycol - uhh...used as a preservative in food and other product - recognized by the FDA as safe and non-carcinogenic
Flavorings - Hello - visit your supermarket - you will find a lot of flavorings are packed in - tada - VG
Nicotine - a stimulant - and - separated from the burning of tobacco - considered about as harmful as...caffeine.
Now - IF you combine the above ingredients and SOMEHOW - they turn into PLUTONIUM - vaping is bad. Otherwise it is far safer than smoking.
Just be aware though folks - the tobacco lobby is large - and they don't like the vaping thing. Come to think of it - Washington isn't too keen on it either - because they are not getting the INCREDIBLE tax dollars that they were getting when you quit smoking. Oh, did you think that the tax was about health? SIN taxes are enforced at an arbitrary level in order to maximize revenue - they are increased to a point where there is an actual DIP in proceeds - and then leveled off - it's the same with alcohol and tobacco. It has never had anything to do with ANYONE'S health - it has ALWAYS been a maximum taxation game and taking advantage of substances that are known to be addictive. Of course - I HATE our government but that's another story......
A point for the people who become hobbyists and want to chase that perfect vape on a budget.... you can always become a modder. I have a lot of fun building my mods and have come up with some great original designs (as well as quite a few that sucked) while spending less than I did as a smoker. Same goes for DIY juice
I'm only pointing this out because you are clearly educated and passionate.
And the world of vaping always needs MOAR people like that in our quest to be free.
So one thing you didn't mention, which might actually be the BIGGEST factor, is Big Pharma and the ANTZ.
They have historically been our biggest enemy, with the most to lose in this fight.
And yes, it is a fight, and has been for years.
Good advice, I started vaping about oh maybe 5 years ago and it didn't work for me because the hardware just wasn't *there* yet. Everything was expensive, produced lackluster vapor, leaked, you had to carry 16 batteries in the car with you to get through a day... plus I was looking for a reason to go back to smoking and that made all so easy.
Fast forward to last Christmas when my wife included a new provari for me in my stalking. It's been in a drawer since. Last month I got an itch, pulled it out and started reading. Got me a couple protanks and wow, it's a different world now compared to 5 years ago. It's hard to not get hung up on the money, but since I've been making my own cigarettes for years, I'm already in the DIY mindset trying to save money wherever I can.
And the part about being a contest... I've started buying all sorts of stuff to test. For instance, I got a Sigelei ZMax mini and I'm finding that for 65 bucks, it performs every bit as good as a 150 dollar provari and has all the same features like circuit protection, etc.
the hardest part of this all is finding what YOU like and what fulfills YOUR itch. The amount of threads I have read here in the past 4 weeks probably equates to reading The Art of War 19 times in a row. It's confusing and overwhelming to say the least. At some point after I experiment for a couple more months, I am going to do a long write-up as an all-in-one post that will cover all the most common options and questions I had about them when I first started vaping again. For instance, it bothers me when I see people say rebuildables are for experts only. No, they aren't. All you need to do is make sure you use a mod that is safe for this sort of behavior, or use one of the 15 dollar resettable electronic fuse boards. Even my mom could rewind a new Protank head. Things like this turn new users away from what can be an affordable and enjoyable experience and those notions are not in short supply. ECF users have been incredible in helping out too. Only on occasion do I get a response like "go read the threads, your question has already been answered". And that means a lot because for one simple question, there can be 500 threads and guaranteed all of them contain conflicting information.
I think it is real important that new people understand that this IS doable. They CAN quit smoking or DRAMATICALLY reduce their smoking. They also need to know without doubt, they will rarely get what they want on the first attempt, and that is why it is so important to keep at it. There are so many devices and options out there, you WILL eventually find those couple of flavors and the right devices to deliver it that will make vaping a lot more enjoyable that you ever hoped cigarettes would be. the expense can sometimes make someone cringe, but you need to forever keep reminding yourself that A) think about how much you were spending on tobacco and B) there is no price that can be put on the health benefits.
Fast forward to last Christmas when my wife included a new provari for me in my stalking. It's been in a drawer since. Last month I got an itch, pulled it out and started reading. Got me a couple protanks and wow, it's a different world now compared to 5 years ago. It's hard to not get hung up on the money, but since I've been making my own cigarettes for years, I'm already in the DIY mindset trying to save money wherever I can.
And the part about being a contest... I've started buying all sorts of stuff to test. For instance, I got a Sigelei ZMax mini and I'm finding that for 65 bucks, it performs every bit as good as a 150 dollar provari and has all the same features like circuit protection, etc.
the hardest part of this all is finding what YOU like and what fulfills YOUR itch. The amount of threads I have read here in the past 4 weeks probably equates to reading The Art of War 19 times in a row. It's confusing and overwhelming to say the least. At some point after I experiment for a couple more months, I am going to do a long write-up as an all-in-one post that will cover all the most common options and questions I had about them when I first started vaping again. For instance, it bothers me when I see people say rebuildables are for experts only. No, they aren't. All you need to do is make sure you use a mod that is safe for this sort of behavior, or use one of the 15 dollar resettable electronic fuse boards. Even my mom could rewind a new Protank head. Things like this turn new users away from what can be an affordable and enjoyable experience and those notions are not in short supply. ECF users have been incredible in helping out too. Only on occasion do I get a response like "go read the threads, your question has already been answered". And that means a lot because for one simple question, there can be 500 threads and guaranteed all of them contain conflicting information.
I think it is real important that new people understand that this IS doable. They CAN quit smoking or DRAMATICALLY reduce their smoking. They also need to know without doubt, they will rarely get what they want on the first attempt, and that is why it is so important to keep at it. There are so many devices and options out there, you WILL eventually find those couple of flavors and the right devices to deliver it that will make vaping a lot more enjoyable that you ever hoped cigarettes would be. the expense can sometimes make someone cringe, but you need to forever keep reminding yourself that A) think about how much you were spending on tobacco and B) there is no price that can be put on the health benefits.
Umm ok, to the few people who are fighting on this thread. Just cut it out. If you were arguing technical points or had differing opinions on some real substative point, I'd say more power to you. Those are helpful arguments. You guys are just picking on one another personally. Cut it out.
As for this thread, I think it's well written and some of us who are into the more technical advanced stuff could learn a lot from it. Whenever I see a newb, I do try to avoid all the ridiculous esoteric ECF talk. All you are doing is confusing a person who is new to the experience, so keep this in mind when advising newbs.
As to the size of devices, man do I agree with that. Smaller is better in my opinion. You suppliers/innovators out there need to focus on this. Quit making things the size of a baby's arm. We want smaller, pocketable devices.
As for this thread, I think it's well written and some of us who are into the more technical advanced stuff could learn a lot from it. Whenever I see a newb, I do try to avoid all the ridiculous esoteric ECF talk. All you are doing is confusing a person who is new to the experience, so keep this in mind when advising newbs.
As to the size of devices, man do I agree with that. Smaller is better in my opinion. You suppliers/innovators out there need to focus on this. Quit making things the size of a baby's arm. We want smaller, pocketable devices.
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