For those with multiple PVs- a few questions

[glasseye]

I know that some of you have many more PVs than you can vape in a day or a week or whatever. And some of us are acquiring more because of the uncertainty come April. That, and the whole backup your backups and then back that thang up thing I read so much here.
So my questions pretty much have to do with getting the longest life of PV and battery that you can out of each device, and I am mostly wondering about devices that will be used in the future. So bear with me because I'm sure some of these questions are going to be stupid. lol

When you get a new PV do you charge it up and test it? Does it depend on whether or not the battery can be removed?

Do you store them with batteries removed if you can? Do you drain them first?

What about ones that the batteries can't be removed like an eGo Twist or an MVP? Again, if you've charged it up and tested, do you go ahead and drain it first?

Do you just rotate all your stock? Never buy things that can't have their batteries changed? Talk to me Oh Wise Ones.

 

[Buggs5347]

You don't want to ever drain a battery completely.

 

[Absintheur]

You will always be able to buy batteries...pretty tough to make them illegal, same with the mods themselves. If you want a mod that will last more or less forever get a mechanical. I use all my PVs in rotation or in certain situations. When the batteries need charged i charge them and put them in a storage box till needed. My eGo needs charged I charge it.

About the only thing the FDA will be able to regulate will be the nicotine itself.

 

[grandmato5]

My proprietary ecigs like Egos, Twist, Vgos are stored with their battery charged at about 3.6 ohms if they're not going to be used in the next month or longer. One's I'm using within a month are fully charged and ready to use at any time. Same abt 3.6VT charge goes for any 18650, 18350, 14500, ect batteries I have that are not being regularly used. One's I regularly use are fully charged and ready to use at any time. None of my APV battery holders that take the 18650, 18350, 14500, 16340 batteries are ever stored with batteries in them if they aren't going to be used for the day.

I always test new ecigs/APV's when I first recieve them and use them consistantly for at least a few days. If they were to be DOA or have any other problems I'd want to return to vendor ASAP.

 

[Thrasher]

yea i agree just like they cant seem to ban devices for smoking ......uuuuuh other stuff, they cant stop the mods either. the whole beef is with ecigs and juice it seems. either buy a nice mechanical or a few well built electronic mods, the batteries we replace ourselves are all heavily used in the flashlight world so they arent going anywhere.

 

[Rickajho]

Hmmm... The one question - about whether you should store batteries charged or uncharged - that's a bit to technical for me on a Saturday evening. I'm sure someone will chime in. At least for long term storage (like months) you would never want to leave a lithium battery depleted and remaining depleted for an extended period. You might come back to it and find it won't take a charge at all.

As far as what to do with a new PV? Well no matter what, you are dealing with a battery. Either an eGo type where the device is pretty much the battery. Or some type of APV - and those all require batteries that you insert to my knowledge. No matter what type, the batteries might (usually) arrive with a partial charge from the factory. If you are really DYING to try out your new device - sure, you can at least start with that initial charge until the batteries turn themselves off and you then must charge.

Overall, I think I'm hearing "FDA paranoia" here? If that's where you are going with this and want to get a ton of batteries - no matter what sort... Rotate them in use. No battery improves with age - either in use or sitting idle.

 

[gthompson]

You should store a battery charged. But there's no point, they can't outlaw batteries.

 

[DesmondTheMoonbear]

Batteries should always be available for mods. If you have a mod that accepts 18350s or 18650s etc, you should be fine device wise. Atty and juice wise....that's another story...

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[glasseye]

Hmmm... The one question - about whether you should store batteries charged or uncharged - that's a bit to technical for me on a Saturday evening. I'm sure someone will chime in. At least for long term storage (like months) you would never want to leave a lithium battery depleted and remaining depleted for an extended period. You might come back to it and find it won't take a charge at all.

As far as what to do with a new PV? Well no matter what, you are dealing with a battery. Either an eGo type where the device is pretty much the battery. Or some type of APV - and those all require batteries that you insert to my knowledge. No matter what type, the batteries might (usually) arrive with a partial charge from the factory. If you are really DYING to try out your new device - sure, you can at least start with that initial charge until the batteries turn themselves off and you then must charge.

Overall, I think I'm hearing "FDA paranoia" here? If that's where you are going with this and want to get a ton of batteries - no matter what sort... Rotate them in use. No battery improves with age - either in use or sitting idle.

It's not really FDA paranoia, honest. Or some kind of survivalist hoarder thing either. I just don't know how to deal with certain types of batteries in the proper way. In my work I don't deal with that, and in life I just charge stuff up when the red light blinks or the stupid phone beeps at me. I know many things but not those things.
Thank you all for your responses, I don't mean to be a brown-noser hitting the like button for all of them, but I did really learn something from each post.

 

[juicejunky]

I'm not sure how long you have been vaping, but aside from an FDA ban, your vaping needs and preference in equipment may change as you progress. May not as well, but new equipment comes out all the time. There was an FDA scare when I started about 2 months in and I bought a ton of cartomizers and KR808-D1 batteries. A month later I had moved on to dripping on an eGo and 510 threaded attys. It was a huge waste of money hoarding and I gave most of the extra stuff away.

Now if there had been a ban, possibly a different story. If you are truly worried nicotine would be the most difficult thing to get. You can buy some and put it in your freezer. You could build a mod and even an atomizer if forced to- all multipurpose parts.

If the worse should happen via the FDA, I'm sure we'll get some warning to stock up. You'd just have to move fast.

Lithium batteries lose about 10-25% of their charge per year sitting in a drawer depending on their quality. Charge them full and recharge them at least once a year so they never run down completely.

 

[SissySpike]

I do not store my mods with the batteries installed I have a Opus and a fistpack that has a battery pack I charge them completely before storing. I use each one at least once a month. I have 4 or 5 set up with different flavors and I take something different to work each day. The Opus I can send to evolve to have the battery changed when it no longer holds a charge and the fist pack I can get a battery and change it my self.

 

[chemsoldier83]

I was talking to the owner of a battery store a few weeks ago and he thought it might be possible for him to take my egos apart. So he can replace the batteries. Im looking into it to reduce cost. but if the batteries are banned then that might be a option. Cant ban everything

 

[Baditude]

Hmmm, I have four mods. Two mechanicals and two are variable voltage. Both the mechanical Silver Bullet and variable voltage Provari each have well-earned reputations as being extremely durable and dependable. Both are American made and can be serviced no matter how old the mod is. Their manufacturer's are both strong and well-run companies that should be able to survive a mild economic downswing in sales after any FDA rulings that might affect e-cig manufacturers.

I use each of my mods at least once a month whether they need it or not . Each one has a fresh battery, and at least 3 backups. The Silver Bullet and Provari both share the same 18650 size battery of which I have a total of 5 of those batteries. In addition I have 2 batteries in 18450 size for the Provari in short mode. I have one of the best, if not the best, battery charger in a Pila. All the batteries I own are AW brand, imr batteries; for my money one of the top two batteries made.

I use cartomizers in my tanks, which are a perishable item. Even should those be somehow affected by supply-demand after FDA rulings, I just received my first rebuildable atomizer, for which the only perishable items that would need to be replaced would be only wire and stainless steel mesh or cotton string -- pretty common items

The one area that would affect me most would be availability of getting nicotine. I've dropped from my first juices being 24 mg down to 12 mg at the present time. I'd miss the nicotine, but if supplies of vegetable glycerin (VG), propylene glycol (PG), and nicotine-free flavorings are available I could get by with doing DIY.

I've got my fingers crossed that e-cigs won't be banned entirely. More likely to be regulated and taxed. The government really can't ignore what a money maker the e-cig industry could be for them. So, if given the choice, I'll take regulated-&-taxed over an all-out-ban any day of the week.

 

[Thompson]

I'm not sure if I should take Battery University as the end all, but they suggest storing batteries at 40%, not 100% or 0%.

I never directly used newly purchased batteries without a charge. Even JoyeTech has some rough instructions as what to do when one arrives (charge it, use it 20~ minutes, charge it again). I'm pretty certain they come out of the factories after testing around this 40% mark.

But that said I think varying temps seem to matter more.

For long-term storage, manufacturers recommend a 40 percent charge. This allows for some self-discharge while still retaining sufficient charge to keep the protection circuit active. Finding the ideal state-of-charge is not easy; this would require a discharge with appropriate cut-off. Do not worry too much about the state-of-charge; a cool and dry place is more important than SoC. Read more about How to Store Batteries

 

[xsphat]

Me personally, I charge the batteries to full right out of the box then treat whatever product it is just like my other devices as far as charging goes. Another thing, i find it way harder to wait for a new cellphone to charge than a new e-cig.

 

[Trick]

I'm starting to get a decent-sized collection of mods here, but to be honest, if I was starting to consider whether I'd have to store one with the batteries in it or not, that'd be a sign to me that maybe I should sell the thing. Generally, as soon as I start pirating batteries out of one mod to use in another, the one I just took the battery out of goes up on the classifieds. I only keep the ones I actually use.

 

[exodus454]

I'll usually charge my batteries to full when I get them, unless it's a new mod and I can't wait. I'll do some vaping on it down to voltage cutoff, and then recharge. I've never had an issue to make me do otherwise.

As far as storing batteries goes - all 4 of my current PV's are in constant circulation so they never get to that point. They all get used at least once a day or every other day. But from what I know about batteries, I'd try to use it to half-wayish dead and then store it. Almost any rechargeable I've encountered doesn't like to be stored fully charged or fully dead, regardless of chemistry.

 

[klynnn]

I really like the spinner and would buy more -but these days with what is going on with the FDA and the uncertainty that encompasses every aspect of the american economy I won't probably buy many more. I am looking at mainly long term rechargeable batteries in any apv I buy in the future. More than likely I will check them to make sure everything functions and then store them away. No telling what happens in the next year or so but I like to be prepared.

 

[Fiamma]

I still have a few Twists around but all my other mods, mechanical or vv or vv/vw use replaceable/rechargeable batteries. You should let a battery rest before recharging for at least an hour. Once charged it should go into a battery box and be used in rotation. Most AW IMR's are only good for 500 or so cycles. I use 18350, 18490, 18650, 26500 and 26650 batteries. The 26xxx series do not get rotated as fast as they hold up longer under use. I do check those once a week or so to make sure they are holding their charges. I use far more of the 18xxx series batteries in a week.

Any mod I am not using on a regular basis is shelved sans battery. I use a lot of my stuff most of the time. I like to vary my juices a lot each day and my devices are all pretty much assigned to a juice.

I have tried to plan for the worst. I brought in extra cartos and atties and the freezer is full of nic. I also have RBA's, but my 901's are my preferred dripping atties and I am still bringing them in as I can afford to do so.

If the best outcome arrives I just don't have to buy anything for a long time. If the worst arrives I'm good to vape for a long long time.