Forcing vapers to breathe second-hand smoke

[Busted knuckles]

[QUOTE
If fact, it you took most of anti-smoking conversations, and then replaced 'smoker' by anything you like (well, don't like, actually ), you would, many times, end up up with racial slander. Just try it yourself, and you'll see what I mean.[/QUOTE]

This is true, smokers are seen in a prejiucial light, and so are vapers. It's just ignorance, but it's also ignorant to believe that it's OK to vape in a crowded room full of non vapers!
Even though our vapor (mostly) smells good and all of the studies I've read indicate that second hand vapor is harmless its still an intrusive habit. My solution on the campus of the collage I attend is to go to an un populated area to vape. I usually avoid the smoking area because I don't care for the smell of second hand smoke.
There are no rules yet at my school, I've checked, but I was told by a pubic safety officer that I can only vape in the smoking area, even though I was not around any other human beings. I ignored him and walked away, but that's when I decided to do be pro active and start working with the school administration before they just lump us in with the smokers.

OP, good luck with your company, maybe you can educate them on the health benefits of vaping and how we would like to not be stuck in the smoking area because we are ex-smokers! There are a number of studies you can direct them to.
I'll be putting a List of links together that can be pasted into an email and sent to those we would like to educate. And I believe there is already a list somewhere on this forum but I've forgot wher it is.

 

[bluecat]

This is true, smokers are seen in a prejiucial light, and so are vapers. It's just ignorance, but it's also ignorant to believe that it's OK to vape in a crowded room full of non vapers!
Even though our vapor (mostly) smells good and all of the studies I've read indicate that second hand vapor is harmless its still an intrusive habit. My solution on the campus of the collage I attend is to go to an un populated area to vape. I usually avoid the smoking area because I don't care for the smell of second hand smoke.
There are no rules yet at my school, I've checked, but I was told by a pubic safety officer that I can only vape in the smoking area, even though I was not around any other human beings. I ignored him and walked away, but that's when I decided to do be pro active and start working with the school administration before they just lump us in with the smokers.

OP, good luck with your company, maybe you can educate them on the health benefits of vaping and how we would like to not be stuck in the smoking area because we are ex-smokers! There are a number of studies you can direct them to.
I'll be putting a List of links together that can be pasted into an email and sent to those we would like to educate. And I believe there is already a list somewhere on this forum but I've forgot wher it is.

Well said mate... especially this...

"This is true, smokers are seen in a prejiucial light, and so are vapers. It's just ignorance, but it's also ignorant to believe that it's OK to vape in a crowded room full of non vapers!"

 

[CommaHolly]

this is going to take YEARS to work itself out,,,,,,,

I suggest that you try communication if you're asked to vape in the smoking section, and you briefly explain your issue and see if they will accommodate you,,,,

if they are not interested in accommodating someone who's quit smoking due to the big C,,,,,,,,they are jerks, and you may have to position yourself as far out and upwind from the smoking section as is possible.

 

[wv2win]

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This is true, smokers are seen in a prejiucial light, and so are vapers. It's just ignorance, but it's also ignorant to believe that it's OK to vape in a crowded room full of non vapers!...........................

And those of us who advocate to vape most places openly also advocate to do so respectfully and with common sense. No one is suggesting we vape on crowded elevators. We also should not self-regulate ourselves to smoking areas.

 

[bluecat]

And those of us who advocate to vape most places openly also advocate to do so respectfully and with common sense. No one is suggesting we vape on crowded elevators. We also should not self-regulate ourselves to smoking areas.

From what I read on quite the opposite... Most I see is I vape... It is not harmful to anyone.. I will vape where and when I please type attitude. Which has changed quite dramatically from when I joined ECF some 1.5 years ago.

 

[Penn]

I'm seeing both sides of this.

We can (and I believe should) educate as much as possible but some people will just apply the falsely exaggerated second hand smoke belief to vaping. At some point any further attempt to get your point across will just be an action of hostility which only makes all vapers look bad in the eyes of that type of fool. This means some businesses will choose to restrict or ban it. I am against the law deciding it as well as smoking BTW. If it is someplace like a restaurant you need to either go without or go to the smokers, the choice is yours.

Airports have what some call the "smoker's aquarium". If an airport told me I had to go into that room during the only 5 minute period over a 6 hour trip (yeah, long flight with connections) I'd be annoyed. The same goes in any situation where a person would have to go extended periods without a vape. Maybe if we continue the fight through respectful education separate smoking and vaping sections will become a new norm (it would be even better if vaping anywhere was accepted but I just don't see that happening.)

Then there are those mentioned who will go after it everywhere.

One place I worked allowed smoking outside and by the doors were picnic tables. Most of these areas had quite a few tables and it was just understood you didn't smoke at a table without an ashtray. There was one door almost no one used and there was usually no more than 3 of us who used the only table by that door. One day someone came out to sit with us then started complaining about smoke. That is what was referred to in a court case that made it to the supreme court as "going to the problem" in my eyes. He could have gone to 90% of the property and not been "offended" but came to us instead.

 

[Patkid]

Firstly, OP, I am sorry about your cancer. Oral cancer is a frightening diagnosis and I am glad yours seems to have been treated early and well. Many are not so lucky.

I am just so freaking happy that my house and my clothes and my hair don't smell anymore that the rest just slides right off my back.
I had my great room and dining room painted w/ the deodorizing primer and paint with the money I've saved.
I can vape in my bedroom and while watching TV and while reading and while drinking a hot cup of coffee at my kitchen table.
I feel so grateful to be free of cigarettes that the debates of where to vape just don't make a difference to me.
I was a very respectful smoker and I am a very respectful vaper.
I vape in my car or my home or on my deck.
If I feel the need to vape where it is frowned upon I either leave or wait.
I am too grateful to get upset.

What does upset me is the possibility of restrictions on acquiring what I need to vape.

Best Regards,
Pat

 

[novio]

i know of quite a few recreational activities i take part in that i know for sure most businesses wouldn't want me doing on their property at all and im fine with that. however it is lame that vaping gets put in with smoking, but nobody's forcing you to put your health at risk. you can always find some place without carcinogens in the air to vape at, hell even your car.

 

[twgbonehead]

I'm seeing both sides of this.

We can (and I believe should) educate as much as possible but some people will just apply the falsely exaggerated second hand smoke belief to vaping. At some point any further attempt to get your point across will just be an action of hostility which only makes all vapers look bad in the eyes of that type of fool. This means some businesses will choose to restrict or ban it. I am against the law deciding it as well as smoking BTW. If it is someplace like a restaurant you need to either go without or go to the smokers, the choice is yours.

Airports have what some call the "smoker's aquarium". If an airport told me I had to go into that room during the only 5 minute period over a 6 hour trip (yeah, long flight with connections) I'd be annoyed. The same goes in any situation where a person would have to go extended periods without a vape. Maybe if we continue the fight through respectful education separate smoking and vaping sections will become a new norm (it would be even better if vaping anywhere was accepted but I just don't see that happening.)

Then there are those mentioned who will go after it everywhere.

One place I worked allowed smoking outside and by the doors were picnic tables. Most of these areas had quite a few tables and it was just understood you didn't smoke at a table without an ashtray. There was one door almost no one used and there was usually no more than 3 of us who used the only table by that door. One day someone came out to sit with us then started complaining about smoke. That is what was referred to in a court case that made it to the supreme court as "going to the problem" in my eyes. He could have gone to 90% of the property and not been "offended" but came to us instead.

A very good post! However, it seems like you don't fly much lately; very few airports still have a smoking area past TSA, or anywhere indoors. (Manchester, NH is one that does!). And a couple have just one smoking area VERY far from the terminals, and put up these "cute" signs that say "Only 2,876 more steps to the smoking area" (I kid you not!). When you get there, it's a small dark alcove under an overpass (drips when it rains). You can't even smell the smoke because of the overpowering smell of bus exhaust! Wish I remembered which one it was so I could refuse to fly through there again!

But I agree wholeheartedly that Bar owners, restaurant owners, businesses, etc. should be able to decide whether they allow vaping (and whether they put vapers in a vaping section).

 

[novio]

or get 100% pg and vape with a stealth sized device up your sleeve. holding in a few seconds before exhaling should alleviate all vaporzzz

 

[novio]

or go in a bathroom stall, blow enough vape to be light-headed from nic and walk out. your a human living with other humans on earth, adapt to their rules!

 

[k3vin]

Stealth vape..While it may not be P.C...oh well..If you take a small enough vape and hold it,nothing comes out.If you take a pull,and blow it downward,most people,from what I have seen,do not even notice it..

Am I saying break the rules??? Well,if you cant beat em',beat em.

 

[Brusky]

Well I'm not sure what version of the universe you live in, but yes - they do get special mistreatment. Step outside for two minutes? If you can get 25 feet away from any give building entrance and back in two minutes. If it's a hospital or college campus - better take up jogging to get completely off the facility grounds before you can light up. In your own home? Well don't count on that one either if it's written out of your lease or banned by the condo association. Don't even mention vaping, because someone will get it written out of your lease or condo rules - for no other reason than just because they can. That's supposed to be acceptable status quo?

That's neither here nor there - you missed the OP's entire point that as a non smoker who is vaping she is being treated exactly like a smoker. And even though having quit smoking is expected to be subjected to second hand smoke because place of employment (or society in general for that matter) sees no distinction between smoking and vaping. Apparently you don't either. So I ask you: If they are that similar why did you bother taking up vaping? For the purpose of having your "privileges" stepped on with equality?

I am a smoker and I don't ever get "mistreated". If your living in a 'leased' home, that does not equate to your 'own' home. It means your leasing it from the owner or contractor so depending on that person, they can allow or forbid your privileges in the lease contract.

Why did I take up vaping? Started out of curiosity then ended up as a hobby and to help quit/cutback smoking.




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[Oaken007]

Sir, please step away from the smokers!! hahaha

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

Since nobody's forcing you to vape ever, anywhere, I don't know if it can be argued that anyone is forcing you to inhale second hand smoke by requiring that vapers vape 25 feet from an entrance. Yes, I do get your aggravation...you're vaping to AVOID the illnesses associated with smoking (as well as for pleasure, I'm assuming), yet you're basically asked, one way or another, to go stand with the smokers.

But it's within your power to vape or not and likewise, it's within your power to stand 25 feet in the opposite direction from the door that the smoker is standing.

I know it's aggravating, I do get that part.

 

[Zealous]

To me it seems like the OPs main frustration is the double standard that goes on in society. I agree that vapers aren't "forced" to be with smokers. They can abstain from vaping to avoid it or vape somewhere away from smokers but still following the building guidelines. This is true. But it's annoying that vapers must abstain or follow smoking laws when they aren't smokers but only "look" like smokers while other people get to do other things any where they want when they are equally as disgusting to look at.

People who chew & spit gross me the hell out. And when I'm driving down the street it pisses me off to watch the guy in front of me open his car door so he can spit on the ground. That's effen disgusting & i don't care if it's allowed by law or not. It's absolutely disgusting & I am forced to look at it because there's no law banning such a thing (and I think there should be cuz that is so freakin gross a person should be made to feel ashamed of themself for doing such a thing wherever they please blah /rant)

And people who wear heavy cologne offend me as much. The scent of many colognes & perfumes make me sneeze until I get away from the individual. Yet I am forced to stand there with them in places like an elevator or walk up the stairs, which sometimes isn't an option. But even if it is an option it's not fair that I should have to do that or sneeze my face off until I am able to escape the scent. Yet they are allowed to wear what they want & my problems with it are my problems because the law says so.

I think the OP would like for our habit to be tolerated in the same way other habits that are offensive are tolerated. Unfortunately we don't live in that world and I also am sorry for that.

 

[second2none]

I think the fear of FDA regs has made some feel like we need to hide , hopefully after "deeming" and hopefully they aren't too bad more will stand up for their right to vape. Vaping is NO different than wearing cologne or perfume and shouldn't be treated any differently.

 

[Eranda13]

Truly, my original post wasn't about finding a place where the smokers don't go, to vape. It's about the fact that non-smokers are "protected" from breathing second-hand smoke by the laws governing where smoking is allowed. But MY protection, as a NON-SMOKER, doesn't exist- because vaping looks like smoking, therefore it must be just as bad, and therefore I don't deserve protection.

What if society decided that drinking coffee was bad and dangerous because of the caffeine, and all coffee drinkers must now follow smoking rules. Would it be fair to force coffee drinkers to be exposed to second hand smoke- even though they are not smokers?

What I want to know is- why are my rights as a NON smoker non-existent?

 

[Brusky]

Truly, my original post wasn't about finding a place where the smokers don't go, to vape. It's about the fact that non-smokers are "protected" from breathing second-hand smoke by the laws governing where smoking is allowed. But MY protection, as a NON-SMOKER, doesn't exist- because vaping looks like smoking, therefore it must be just as bad, and therefore I don't deserve protection.

What if society decided that drinking coffee was bad and dangerous because of the caffeine, and all coffee drinkers must now follow smoking rules. Would it be fair to force coffee drinkers to be exposed to second hand smoke- even though they are not smokers?

What I want to know is- why are my rights as a NON smoker non-existent?

You contradicted yourself a bit. You stated non-smokers are protected from smokers and then you stated that your a non-smoker, which means you are protected as well. Just don't vape by smokers.

 

[Racehorse]

This is true, smokers are seen in a prejiucial light, and so are vapers.

A group of us went thru this when we wanted to bring our dogs to work.

It was really inconvenient to leave them home, and hire a pet sitter to walk them while I was gone. Cost me a bundle.

Of course, we all realized we could have chosen not to own dogs, or, get our resumes out, and move to wherever state and whatever company had values more like our own.

Many people do find their ideal job and work culture this way.

Then there are those who seem to confuse personal choices with rights these days....


I agree that life isn't fair, I do get that part. Laws aren't always fair, either. I do get that part, too. I have just never imagined that life on earth with billions of people sharing it that it is ever going to be totally even steven and fair. There's just too many likes and dislikes out there, and we will all try to win for our own. I do try to help by supporting our ability to keep vaping legally and as hassle free as possible, but I would be lying if I said that was my primary "cause" in life, because it isn't, since vaping is only one small part of my own life.