Forcing vapers to breathe second-hand smoke

[Eranda13]

You stated non-smokers are protected from smokers and then you stated that your a non-smoker, which means you are protected as well.

Actually you misread it- what I'm saying is that non-smokers ARE protected from being near smokers- but vapers are NOT (they are expected to vape in the "smoking section"). So as a vaper, I am NOT protected equally with non-vaping non-smokers.

Then there are those who seem to confuse personal choices with rights these days....

My point is... if non smokers have "rights" i.e. not to be subjected to second hand smoke, then why do I not have the same "right" as a vaper if I don't want to sit/stand/be near smokers?

By this logic- if *I* am able to "walk away" from smokers, or "find another spot to stand", then why aren't non-vaping, non-smokers expected to "walk away" or "find another spot to stand"? Because they are protected by laws from having to alter their behavior to avoid something dangerous. I am not.

 

[Lessifer]

I think the fear of FDA regs has made some feel like we need to hide , hopefully after "deeming" and hopefully they aren't too bad more will stand up for their right to vape. Vaping is NO different than wearing cologne or perfume and shouldn't be treated any differently.

I don't feel the need to hide, but I also don't feel the need to be inconsiderate. If someone were walking through the store periodically spraying body spray every few feet, you can bet I'd say something. If I were at a restaurant and someone pulled out a can of hairspray and started spraying the air every thirty seconds, I'd say something. I vape openly, in places where I think it won't disturb other people.

 

[Lessifer]

Actually you misread it- what I'm saying is that non-smokers ARE protected from being near smokers- but vapers are NOT (they are expected to vape in the "smoking section"). So as a vaper, I am NOT protected equally with non-vaping non-smokers.



My point is... if non smokers have "rights" i.e. not to be subjected to second hand smoke, then why do I not have the same "right" as a vaper if I don't want to sit/stand/be near smokers?

By this logic- if *I* am able to "walk away" from smokers, or "find another spot to stand", then why aren't non-vaping, non-smokers expected to "walk away" or "find another spot to stand"? Because they are protected by laws from having to alter their behavior to avoid something dangerous. I am not.

You DO have the same protections, the same rule that keeps the smokers away from the non-vaping non-smokers keeps them away from the vaping non-smokers. You're confusing not being able to vape in the non-smoking area with being forced to vape in the smoking area.

You have the right to not be subjected to second hand smoke if you don't want to be, that is separate from your non-existent "right" to vape wherever you feel like it.

 

[NicoHolic]

My point is... if non smokers have "rights" i.e. not to be subjected to second hand smoke, then why do I not have the same "right" as a vaper if I don't want to sit/stand/be near smokers?

You DO have that same right! You just can't vape when you're exercising it. That's a different issue.

 

[jpargana]

I am a smoker and I don't ever get "mistreated". If your living in a 'leased' home, that does

not equate to your 'own' home. It means your leasing it from the owner or contractor so depending on that person,

they can allow or forbid your privileges in the lease contract.

Why did I take up vaping? Started out of curiosity then ended up as a hobby and to help quit/cutback smoking.

Well, in our 'version of the universe', the pictures below were displayed outdoors. It was in France.

Let's not forget that this is not just about the twisted mind of those who created them. In every country, there are regulatory agencies that decide what ads can be displayed, and what ads should be banned. So, people with ruling power decided that it was OK to let them be displayed... because, you know, as far as anti-smoking is concerned, anything goes...

One thing is having gruesome medical images attached to a pack of cigarettes. That sort of campaign is specifically targeted towards smokers (people who buy cigarettes, anyway), and while I don't quite agree with it, I can at least see the logic behind it: trying to 'scare' smokers into skipping that next cigarette they were about to smoke, maybe trying to convince them to cut back.

On the other hand, there is... that... is it targeted to smokers? No way; it is displayed outdoors for everyone to see! Is it effective, from a tobacco control perspective? No smoker in the world will look at those pictures and think "OMG, now I realise how society sees me!! I feel so ashamed, that I will stop smoking right now!!".

Really...

No, no... this is a campaign targeted at the rabid anti-smoker. The message is, "If we (the creator of the picture, the ruling agency that allowed it to be displayed...) can mistreat smokers this way, so can you. Follow our lead."

Ironically, that ad was sponsored by a so-called "Association for Nonsmokers' Rights". I guess that says it all: an association of non-smokers who believe they have the right to vilify and de-humanise smokers.

Maybe you, individually, do not feel mistreated as a smoker. That's your personal view, and you're surelly entitled to that.

For my part, something like that makes my blood boil... and I'm not even a smoker anymore. That's hardly the point anyway, because in the closed minds of those who actually enjoy that kind of advertising, vaping equals smoking...

By reading a bunch of good examples already put on this thread, I believe a fact remains: most smokers (and vapers alike) feel indeed mistreated in their everyday lives... and rightly so, in my personal opinion.

 

[Robino1]

^^^^^^ Well said JP! ^^^^

 

[nakmuay7]

yet another example of demonizing a product that really helps people

Perhaps with a bit of lobbying you can get the EU to say public places must also provide a place separate to the smoking shelters for vapers like us.

 

[NicoHolic]

I'm sorry, but smokers have done it to themselves. Butts on the ground everywhere, especially around building entrances, despite ashtrays. Flicking cigarettes out the car window into yours or onto your chest if you ride a motorcycle. Emptying car ash trays on the ground in parking lots. Stinking up every place they go for everyone except themselves, who can't smell anything anymore. Even though I field stripped butts from my early days in the military, I thoroughly understand why smokers are so despised.

 

[Robino1]

I can't say I despise anyone. In Philly, those cig .... throwing people are keeping sidewalk sweepers in their jobs.
You wouldn't believe some of the things I've seen people just toss to the ground. Ugh!

It isn't just smokers that litter, so I don't think it's fair to despise smokers for littering. I'm not that far removed from smoking that I feel like I'm better than them. Even just saying that sentence doesn't seem right. Lord! What gives us the right to be all high and mighty and act like the people we would hate when we, in fact, did smoke?

Do you know that second hand smoke is something that the ANTZ came up with to scare people? They are trying to get third hand smoke to be an issue! Seriously?!?! What has our society come to? Who gives anyone the right to be superior over others?

If I can vape indoors I will. If I have to vape out of doors, so be it. Granted, I truly feel that vaping is not harmful in any way to others and I will make my voice heard. Respect goes both ways though. I don't fear second hand smoke. Sure it stinks, but that's all.

If I despised smokers, I would have to despise my daughter.......Isn't gonna happen. I would have to despise most of my band mates, isn't gonna happen.

Well damn...
*stepping off soapbox*

 

[MrStik]

You are not forced to breathe in second hand smoke because you are a vaper. You are being "forced" to breathe in second hand smoke because you choose to vape. I chuckle at those who think it is an outrage that they have to step 25 feet from a business to vape and are completely outraged because they have to stand with smokers because of it.. .Um.. No, those people can easily step 30 feet away, 40 feet away or even be 25 feet away but AWAY from the smokers.

 

[Talyon]

I for one Vape because it is saving my life, this is a proven scientific fact, and YES I have a right to do so, I'm considerate but well not be forced to Vape in the Smoking section. There are Lawyers for this, and YES in time this well happen, many lawsuits are forthcoming.

I'm A VAPER, not a smoker and am doing no harm to anyone, not my fault there are ignorant people.

Go ahead put me in jail, fine me don't matter, I know I'm right and have millions of people who agree.

I QUIT Smoking.

I'm a person damn it, lol.

When science proves im doing harm to my fellow humans I'll,abstain.

Some shouldn't procreate but well u know.....

Don't tread on me.

 

[Zealous]

I'm sorry, but smokers have done it to themselves. Butts on the ground everywhere, especially around building entrances, despite ashtrays. Flicking cigarettes out the car window into yours or onto your chest if you ride a motorcycle. Emptying car ash trays on the ground in parking lots. Stinking up every place they go for everyone except themselves, who can't smell anything anymore. Even though I field stripped butts from my early days in the military, I thoroughly understand why smokers are so despised.

Well....I'm not a smoker any longer but I do not agree with this statement. You say "smokers did it to themselves." Ya know what? I WOULD have put my cigarettes out in an ashtray in my car IF there WAS AN ASHTRAY IN MY CAR. There has not been an ashtray in my car since the very old beat up one I had when i was in high school and that was a long time ago. And I might not have stunk SO BAD if I hadn't been stuck smoking in enclosed rooms so often.

I don't disagree that smoking is a messy habit or that cigarette smoke makes things smelly, etc. But I do disagree that smokers all did this to themselves. They had help.....LOTS of help.

 

[Robino1]

^^^^ amen ^^^^

 

[mattiem]

I can't say I despise anyone. In Philly, those cig .... throwing people are keeping sidewalk sweepers in their jobs.
You wouldn't believe some of the things I've seen people just toss to the ground. Ugh!

It isn't just smokers that litter, so I don't think it's fair to despise smokers for littering. I'm not that far removed from smoking that I feel like I'm better than them. Even just saying that sentence doesn't seem right. Lord! What gives us the right to be all high and mighty and act like the people we would hate when we, in fact, did smoke?

I can't despise those that toss their butts but I do wish they would police themselves better. Even while I was a smoker it really bothered me when someone was too lazy or indifferent to use the provided place for disposing of the butts.

Do you know that second hand smoke is something that the ANTZ came up with to scare people? They are trying to get third hand smoke to be an issue! Seriously?!?! What has our society come to? Who gives anyone the right to be superior over others?

Here is where we totally agree. I cringe each time I read a post here from former smokers that have been brain washed into believing that this is gospel so in turn, keep the myth going. I've never been convinced that second hand smoke causes any of the things that the ANTZ have been pushing down our throats for years.

If I can vape indoors I will. If I have to vape out of doors, so be it. Granted, I truly feel that vaping is not harmful in any way to others and I will make my voice heard. Respect goes both ways though. I don't fear second hand smoke. Sure it stinks, but that's all.

If I despised smokers, I would have to despise my daughter.......Isn't gonna happen. I would have to despise most of my band mates, isn't gonna happen.

Well damn...
*stepping off soapbox*

You took the words right out of my mouth. Thank you.

 

[NicoHolic]

...I WOULD have put my cigarettes out in an ashtray in my car IF there WAS AN ASHTRAY IN MY CAR. There has not been an ashtray in my car since the very old beat up one I had when i was in high school and that was a long time ago.

It's easier to try to blame someone else than take responsibility for what you do. I get it... the car manufacturers MADE you toss cigarettes out the window (instead of providing your own ashtray). Right... just like the OP is being MADE to breath second hand smoke.

 

[JMarca]

We just bought a new 2014 Explorer a few days ago as our old car finally died, the old one an '05 had an ashtray the new explorer comes with two ashtrays, I kid you not!

 

[bluecat]

It's easier to try to blame someone else than take responsibility for what you do. I get it... the car manufacturers MADE you toss cigarettes out the window (instead of providing your own ashtray). Right... just like the OP is being MADE to breath second hand smoke.

Technically the OP is not being MADE to breathe second hand smoke. The OP can move away from smokers. Now allowing the OP to vape inside an office is forcing other employees to breathe second hand vapor. Can a person with a peanut allergy have a reaction to peanut vapor?

 

[DC2]

I'm sorry, but smokers have done it to themselves.

I agree with you about throwing butts on the ground and all that, but this is factually incorrect.

Smokers have not done it to themselves, this has all been done to them...
Through a targeted, concerted, well-planned, well-funded, decades long propaganda campaign.

 

[patkin]

Understand this is only my personal opinion but if my doc told me that I would ask why. I'm not buying second-hand smoke being an issue in the situation. It smacks of ideology to me. But, I do agree that vapers should be provided with smoke-free areas. I recently had to vape in an outside shack (enclosed smoking area with very loud fan ventilation) due to many hours of waiting on someone's medical procedure to be completed. It was a government facility and I wasn't going to risk vaping anywhere else. I did not enjoy the experience multiple ways.

 

[patkin]

Can a person with a peanut allergy have a reaction to peanut vapor?

I'm allergic to roses. Its up to me to handle my numerous allergies with daily meds and emergency kits. Its not up to others to accommodate me and my allergies. Its not up to legislators to ban rose perfumes/colognes either.