I question everything that is on the news
and i do mean everything. i can read through BS... no problem
and i do mean everything. i can read through BS... no problem
Fox News Saftey Concerns for E-Cigs
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This is the following challenge I posted on the ECF as a response. I would be willing to include the folks at ASH, FDA, BT and BP. Any MD or research panel of MDs.
Or other media outlet.
I would be willing for any MD to do his own case study over the course of 6-12 months with me. Hell folks I am willing to throw this gauntlet down to any MD and to include this with FDA testing. I will take this one for the team, this is my idea.
I am willing to throw this last months progress to the wind in a supersize me like test and challenge.
Providing they cover the costs of everything related to this test. .... log cost and medical expenses.
3-6 months back sliding to my old .... log habits, full blood and panel work up. Full toxin testing. Full lung and system work up. every 2-4 weeks. Also a sleep test showing the effect of smoking analog on the body before during and after various stages of sleep.
Cardiac testing every week, base line testing every week. Showing the rapid and sudden onset of damage caused by smoking.
Keeping a running tally of what I am taking into my body and amounts of toxins and cancer causing substances.
Along with a daily video log like in supersize me.
Then allow me to switch for pving. 3-6 months vaping my choice of strengths and various juices as I have been. same testing battery.
It would be interesting to see the results, the amounts and the hell we have all suffered in our quest to break the bonds of tobacco.
Or other media outlet.
I would be willing for any MD to do his own case study over the course of 6-12 months with me. Hell folks I am willing to throw this gauntlet down to any MD and to include this with FDA testing. I will take this one for the team, this is my idea.
I am willing to throw this last months progress to the wind in a supersize me like test and challenge.
Providing they cover the costs of everything related to this test. .... log cost and medical expenses.
3-6 months back sliding to my old .... log habits, full blood and panel work up. Full toxin testing. Full lung and system work up. every 2-4 weeks. Also a sleep test showing the effect of smoking analog on the body before during and after various stages of sleep.
Cardiac testing every week, base line testing every week. Showing the rapid and sudden onset of damage caused by smoking.
Keeping a running tally of what I am taking into my body and amounts of toxins and cancer causing substances.
Along with a daily video log like in supersize me.
Then allow me to switch for pving. 3-6 months vaping my choice of strengths and various juices as I have been. same testing battery.
It would be interesting to see the results, the amounts and the hell we have all suffered in our quest to break the bonds of tobacco.
dreadbull. this is a great idea... maybe ECF can get a group of their vendors/manufacturers to put in on this.... if most vendors put in , the cost would be nominal to each vendor.. and the study could be given to the ECA and all the B.S Hype would be quelled...
i have no idea of the costs, but i do know that the ECF has a .... load of Vendors... a few hundred here and there from each would make EVERYONES life easier....
And your willing to put your body in as a guniea pig... more power to you !!!
if i wasnt poor and working for tax money, i'd be in 100%
vr, BB
ps. i cant spell or don't have grammar skills... but my bowstaff skills are amazing
i have no idea of the costs, but i do know that the ECF has a .... load of Vendors... a few hundred here and there from each would make EVERYONES life easier....
And your willing to put your body in as a guniea pig... more power to you !!!
if i wasnt poor and working for tax money, i'd be in 100%
vr, BB
ps. i cant spell or don't have grammar skills... but my bowstaff skills are amazing
Nah I said they cover the .... logs and medical.
I would still purchase and support my favorite suppliers, I have my stock and will be doing yet another order just a bit more refined this time
Now if the people conducting the tests supplied anything then that would be fine.
It was not ment to be a plea for freebies
I am honest about this challenge and pose it to any of the media outlets and agencies over the validity of harm and toxin reduction. And to prove to the FDA their findings are not correct, and to the various state and local governments that banning these is not the smart or wise choice.
Neither is taxing these devices into non use.
I would still purchase and support my favorite suppliers, I have my stock and will be doing yet another order just a bit more refined this time
Now if the people conducting the tests supplied anything then that would be fine. It was not ment to be a plea for freebies
I am honest about this challenge and pose it to any of the media outlets and agencies over the validity of harm and toxin reduction. And to prove to the FDA their findings are not correct, and to the various state and local governments that banning these is not the smart or wise choice.
Neither is taxing these devices into non use.
Nah I said they cover the .... logs and medical.
I would still purchase and support my favorite suppliers, I have my stock and will be doing yet another order just a bit more refined this time
It was not ment to be a plea for freebies
I am honest about this challenge and pose it to any of the media outlets and agencies over the validity of harm and toxin reduction. And to prove to the FDA their findings are not correct, and to the various state and local governments that banning these is not the smart or wise choice.
Neither is taxing these devices into non use.
I'm down for that Idea... Let's do it.
u may have misunderstood my comment it wasnt meant for freebies. i meant for them to Dontate for the medical costs for the research. it would be their business's/ lively hood if pv's get banned ... i assume all the needed tests would be a pretty penny for 6-12 months....
The length of time was to get a baseline set of readings, toxin build ups etc.
I also suggest the analogs to pv as how we quit or quitting, the medical costs of those tests would be through the roof.
Anyone know where I can pose this human guinea pig idea to the FDA? maybe they will foot the bill since BT is lining their pockets.
Hell I should just propose this test to Judge Leon and have the court/fda/se/njoy/BT foot this.
I also suggest the analogs to pv as how we quit or quitting, the medical costs of those tests would be through the roof.
Anyone know where I can pose this human guinea pig idea to the FDA? maybe they will foot the bill since BT is lining their pockets.
Hell I should just propose this test to Judge Leon and have the court/fda/se/njoy/BT foot this.
The reason SE refused to appear is the same as why Obama has refused to appear on Fox. They would have been ripped to shreds. They are not fair and balanced in any way, shape or form, and push the agenda that the neo-right 'invite' them to by way of, no doubt generous, lobby contributions to the Murdoch media coffers.
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Great point... I forgot that Obama hates Fox News just as much as everyone in America.
Fox news is biast, they are one of several news agencies that use their program to support their own views.
Wow!
I mean just Wow! It really amazes me how the otherwise intelligent folks on this forum who are concerned about the future of e-cigs can degrade this discussion down to bashing the news network that segment aired on for ideological reasons that have NOTHING to do with e-cigs.
Seriously folks this thread should be about debunking the misrepresentation of e-cigs on the media. Its no place ideological slant from eith side of the isle. If news bashing is all you want to accomplish take it the DNC or RNC websites forums.
This is a place for e-smokers as a community not for a specific political party or ideological stance.
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I mean just Wow! It really amazes me how the otherwise intelligent folks on this forum who are concerned about the future of e-cigs can degrade this discussion down to bashing the news network that segment aired on for ideological reasons that have NOTHING to do with e-cigs.
Seriously folks this thread should be about debunking the misrepresentation of e-cigs on the media. Its no place ideological slant from eith side of the isle. If news bashing is all you want to accomplish take it the DNC or RNC websites forums.
This is a place for e-smokers as a community not for a specific political party or ideological stance.
J-
So you're saying you'd prefer yet another "What e-cig should I buy?" thread instead? This is a forum.
fo·rum (fôr'əm, fōr'-)
n. pl. fo·rums also fo·ra (fôr'ə, fōr'ə)
1.
a. The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.
b. A public meeting place for open discussion.
c. A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.
2.
A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.
3. A court of law; a tribunal.
[Middle English, from Latin; see dhwer- in Indo-European roots.]
Bashing Fox News (or any other network news program) should be a part of any discussion when they have involved themselves in the issue.
In fact, I would say that such discussion goes directly to the whole reasoning behind why right-wing sympathisers such as Fox would involve themselves in the issue. It is the right that have their ideology firmly rooted in promoting big business interests. It doesn't get bigger than big tobacco and big pharma.
The only stories that Rupert Murdoch gives a damn about are the ones that give his empire the biggest boost in profits.
Why do you think that we seem to see ex VP Cheney criticising the current administration on a weekly basis, even when it is now none of his sodding business. No doubt it is in his interests to do so
The neo-cons got their butts kicked last Nov, now they are looking for payback.
Re-read those posts bashing Fox and tell me again how many are bashing that report on e-cigs and how many were just bashing Fox due to their own personal bias.
Bash Fox for shoddy reporting on e-cigs fine. Thats within the issue of this thread and belongs here.
Bash Fox because you are on the Obama love train or are simply touting the party line for the Dems, not needed. That has no bearing on the dicussion of e-cigs and doesnt belong in this thread or this sub-forum. The subject of this thread is the report by Fox News but not weather they are partisan to one political party of another.
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I would be willing to do my challenge if fox footed the bill and reported correctly on it.
I'm glad you pointed that out. I missed that completely.
And Epheon... Did you not see the deffention of the work Forum? Here it is again:
fo·rum (fôr'əm, fōr'-)
n. pl. fo·rums also fo·ra (fôr'ə, fōr'ə)
1.
a. The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.
b. A public meeting place for open discussion.
c. A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.
2.
A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.
3. A court of law; a tribunal.
Now I want to take this part of the deffention out and highlight something:
b. A public meeting place for open discussion.
Now and open discussion means anything goes regardless of what the original subject was.
It's exactly what were doing now
Death to FOX NEWS!!!!
If that were true, PR lawyers like Gloria Allred would be unemployed.
It's not like the segment was O'Reilly or Glenn Beck, it was a morning 'fluff' show with a 3 minute segment limit, viewed literally by millions of disposable-income adults getting ready for work.
SE put out a press release just recently that was captioned here on the forum under "sales of ecigs increase before Christmas' or something along those lines - why put out a 'position' press release, if they are being 'evaluated' in court, but not appear on a Fox segment, where it was obvious the hosts were exceptionally curious about the product? To the point the good doctor was actually taking both sides of the issue? What's the difference between a press release picked up by Reuters, and appearing live for 3 minutes, sidestepping sensitive questions while explaining the product? None that I see. What am I missing?
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