Saw a Fox news segment this morning that contained the e-cig. Some doctor was on there talking about other things, but they also discussed e-cig.'s. The doctor was completely noncommittal and said there was no research and he couldn't give an opinion until there was some research. I suppose he missed all the research on the use of PG. At least he didn't cite the recent FDA information as research. He did say if everyone quit smoking the health crises would end. Strange, since only 25% of Amercians smoke. I've heard the "great" Donnie Deutsch say about the same thing on CNBC many times. He wants to ban all tobacco use and thinks that will solve the health care "crisis." I'm sure tobacco is bad for your health, but I have a hard time believing its the cause of all death.
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it isnt, but it is the cause of a lot of otherwise needless procedures, surgeries, and other conditions that cost a lot of money.
as a longtime fox news watcher, i am glad to hear they didnt become part of this ecig maligning spin machine.
as a longtime fox news watcher, i am glad to hear they didnt become part of this ecig maligning spin machine.
Dr. Nitzkin states "Cigarettes currently cause 400,000 deaths a year in the United States. If we get all those smokers to switch from regular cigarettes to e cigarettes or one of the other alternate nicotine delivery products we would reduce that death toll from 400,000 a year to less than 4000 a year, maybe as low as 400 a year."
But the media never puts this in their articles. Ain't it grand that instead of news everyone sees biased commentary disguised as news.
I have been mainly a Fox News watcher for the past 12 years, and I did not agree with there segment this morning, it was as one-sided as it gets as far as I'm concerned.
The title read "Put Your E-Cigs Out" with no question mark, and they brought up the FDA finding cancerous chemicals in what they said "E-Cigs (in a general tense)".
They also had another bogus title that popped up but I forgot what it said. I was furious they did not mention other data in support of e-cigs, and they also did-not bring up the date these test where done by FDA and why now???
The ending was legit, as the Doc did say that they are not sure if e-cigs are harmful or not, but that does not excuse the one-sided nature of the head-line and the entire nature of the conversation.
Diet/exercise (or rather bad diet and lack of exercise) is responsible for 300,000 deaths per year. That is the 2nd largest behavioral cause of death, right after smoking. It greatly affects children -- I would guess that there are more children that are overweight than there are smoking. Although diet/exercise may not be related to cancer, they too "cause a lot of otherwise needless procedures, surgeries, and other conditions that cost a lot of money."
.............which would lead to another health crisis, 400,000 people not requiring the docs or the hospital stays or the meds or the treatments or the money made by these things. Also, an impact on Medicare and social security that would surely colapse those. They really count on those 400,000 people a year dying
Studies have in fact shown that those that exercise and smoke have better health outcomes than those that do not exercise and do not smoke (including lung cancer). These studies were replicated in the early 90's, but it is more convenient to focus on smoking. People will be self-righteous about whatever they can, and the dwindling ranks of smokers make an easy target. I'd bet most of these fascist are addicted to caffiene themselves. Soft drink and calorie taxes are just around the corner and no human behavior is safe. Everyone will look back and remember the avalanche they let lose when they let public sentiment dictate the rights and behavior of smokers and their own less desirable behaviors were then required to change as well. We'll all be punching a clock in the gym soon for good ole big brother. As far as I'm concerned moderate smoking and drinking are the two most civilized things (and civilizing forces) one can do.
Fox News has and always will be one of America's best resources. It's pretty much the only right wing news outlet available nowadays. Pathetic.
It is very comforting to see that at least one media outlet is not "bandwagoning" like the rest, and not extrapolating incredible claims out of the FDA report.
It is very comforting to see that at least one media outlet is not "bandwagoning" like the rest, and not extrapolating incredible claims out of the FDA report.
Sorry to pop any bubbles but they attacked E-cigs full swing when their New York office proliferated this scripted video report nationally to their local branches.
We should contact our local news stations in our respective states and give the side of the e-smoker. The news reports some of this stuff like it's an established fact. "E-cigs" contain antifreeze" Very biased. They found diethelene glycol in 1 cartridge out of the 19they tested. They are not going to report the unbiased truth willingly. We should step up and give our side.
You know what? I dont give a rats ... how much smokers cost the health community. You know why? Because we have more than paid for ANY procedure that ANY smoker could want or need through the exhorbitant taxes levied against us by state and federal government for all these many years. We have paid our dues, how about the rest of the smoke nazi's and their habits of choice???
Sorry, but that is not necessarily true. The tobacco tax revenue was not being collected and saved in some type of super-fund to treat smokers. These are some of the things your cigarette tax dollars paid for:
- Dump trucks, golf carts and a course irrigation system, and a new county jail in New York
- Broadband-cable networks in Virginia
- Psychiatric care for prisoners in New Jersey
- Boot camps for juvenile delinquents, alternative schools, and metal detectors and surveillance cameras for schools in Alabama
- Upgrading public television stations with DVD technology in Nevada
- Harbor renovation and museum expansion in Alaska
- Water and sewer improvements in South Carolina
- Pasture and weather monitoring for a thoroughbred association in Kentucky College scholarships in Michigan
- New schools in Alaska and Ohio
- City parks and the purchase of undeveloped land in California
- A senior citizen prescription-drug program and property-tax rebates in Illinois
- Medicaid dental services in Maine
- Water Resources Trust Fund and flood-control projects in North Dakota
- Operating expenses for the Carolina Horse Park, truck-driver training, pine-straw farming research and equipment upgrades at a knitting plant in North Carolina
- A People's Trust Fund, which will generate interest income that can be spent at the legislature's discretion, in South Dakota
- Help in balancing the budget, which used four years of MSA money, in Tennessee
- Rural economic development in Georgia
- Tax rebates in several states
- Offsetting a revenue shortfall in Wisconsin by selling municipal bonds backed by future MSA payments
The entire "mainstream media" is biased toward the politically right viewpoint based on the fact that their corporate masters are some of the most conservative people in the nation. The idea that FOX News is a loan bastion of the right wing viewpoint is absurd.
You want to see actual liberal biased reporting? Check out Democracy Now. Until then, you're on thin ice when you claim the mainstream ignores the conservative viewpoint.
I dont care what it was saved for. The fact of the matter is we payed into the system exhorbitant taxes by using this product over and above other taxpayers that are obese, alcoholics, etc. Are the obese or alcoholics paying exhorbitant taxes? Nope. Are they still causing a massive drain on our country as far as medical costs? YES. But that is just my opinion. If you are inclined to think like the current administration you are apt to disagree with me. Your mileage may vary...
My thoughts exactly!!!
What's really pathetic is that none of the news agencies should swing either way, they should all be impartial.
Are there any true news sources any more? I can't think of any...they all seem to swing one way or another. Some are worse than others, but they all slant towards their agenda.
Oh I don't disagree with you. All the taxes I spent on tobacco benefited people that feel justified demonizing the "filthy" smokers. That is why I will not go back to cigarettes even if PVs get banned. I will not be held hostage. First they get you addicted and thn they rob you blind by charging $12 for a pack of cigs. That is a technique that local drug dealers use when they give out free samples.
I agree wholeheartedly SAR. Me, I will continue to vape one way or another. It is the only thing I have tried that has worked for me and I refuse to go back to analogs.
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