Foxnews Today, more Propaganda

[DC2]

Pharmaceutical ads followed by lawyer ads. "If you took this then you can get in on a class action suit and possibly win a paltry amount while we get 75 percent of the proceeds".

You know who it just occurred to me right now might also be throwing some money into the fight against electronic cigarettes?

Big Law.

I'm only joking.
Maybe.

 

[patkin]

In e-juice, no. However, it is my understanding that formaldehyde is formed as a byproduct of the vaporization of the liquid, and that metals can be detected in the vapor because of the metal material(s) used in the coil. What is BS is that these things (when detected) are at very minute trace levels, and those with an agenda focus on them without mentioning that fact, or putting it in context.

I'm +4 allergic to formaldehyde and anything that turns into it in or on the body (its in hair products and cosmetics) and have to monitor everything I use including construction and decorating materials (paneling/cupboards/cloth. Tiny amounts can cause severe problems for me. I have had no reactions to ejuices and have been vaping for almost a year. Actually I find it quite odd when I hear its in smokes. Maybe it was the major reason for all the congestion when I smoked?

 

[Petrodus]

You know who it just occurred to me right now might also be throwing some money into the fight against electronic cigarettes?

Big Law.

I'm only joking.
Maybe.

Joking or not ... good observation.
When regulations start ... We very well may see Attorney Ads on TV
soliciting e-smokers who got a toe ache after vaping to call to see if they
can collect money.

 

[DC2]

Joking or not ... good observation.
When regulations start ... We very well may see Attorney Ads on TV
soliciting e-smokers who got a toe ache after vaping to call to see if they
can collect money.

That ship, it seems, has sailed.
And apparently it didn't get very far.

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/12/action-on-smoking-and-health.html

 

[Petrodus]

That ship, it seems, has sailed.
And apparently it didn't get very far.

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/12/action-on-smoking-and-health.html

That was then ...
When the FDA starts regulating ... the ambulance chasers will have more to consider.
Bottom line ... Time will tell.

 

[Vocalek]

I'm +4 allergic to formaldehyde and anything that turns into it in or on the body (its in hair products and cosmetics) and have to monitor everything I use including construction and decorating materials (paneling/cupboards/cloth. Tiny amounts can cause severe problems for me. I have had no reactions to ejuices and have been vaping for almost a year. Actually I find it quite odd when I hear its in smokes. Maybe it was the major reason for all the congestion when I smoked?

Actually, German researchers found very tiny amounts of formaldehyde (18 micrograms per cubic meter) when they collected exhaled vapor in an 8 cubic meter emission chamber. With a conventional cigarette, they measured 86 micrograms per cubic meter.

They were surprised to find no nicotine and very little propylene glycol, so they redid the testing having subjects exhale into a smaller (10 Liter) container, to get more concentrated exhaled vapor. In this second case, they found much higher amounts of PG (up to 175,000 mcg / m3, compared to <1 mcg / m3 in the large chamber) and also detected a small quantity of nicotine (a high of 7 mcg / m3).

It's interesting that the formaldehyde was actually lower in the small container test -- <2 mcg / m3 on all vapors tested.

The authors commented:

However, continuous monitoring only showed a slight increase of the formaldehyde concentration in the 8 m³ emission test chamber before and during consumption of the three liquids (see Table 4 and Figure 2). This might be caused by the person in the chamber itself, because people are known to exhale formaldehyde in low amounts (Riess, 2010) and the increase was already observed during the conditioning phase (Figure 2). Furthermore, the release of formaldehyde was also below the limit of detection in the small-scale experiments.

Schripp T, Markewitz D, Uhde E, Salthammer T. Does e-cigarette consumption cause passive vaping? Indoor Air. 2012 Jun 2. Does e-cigarette consumption cause passive vaping? [Indoor Air. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI

 

[wv2win]

Has there been an "update" on CASAA's meeting with the FDA??

 

[kristin]

Has there been an "update" on CASAA's meeting with the FDA??

CASAA blog 9/3/13: CASAA: CASAA gives presentation in FDA 'Listening Session' We also discussed it at the September 1st Member Meeting.

 

[Petrodus]

CASAA blog 9/3/13: CASAA: CASAA gives presentation in FDA 'Listening Session' We also discussed it at the September 1st Member Meeting.

We have every reason to believe that the FDA was interested in what we had to say and paid attention. Their questions focused on what we presented. We, of course, know nothing about how seriously they will take it. We remain guardedly optimistic. However, we believe we presented the best possible case for giving consumers a formal seat at the table. If they do not move forward to making that happen, we can safely conclude that they are actively refusing to provide such a seat, in which case we will know that we need to fully mobilize for fighting from the grassroots level and pull out all the stops.

Proof is in the pudding ...
In this case the proof will be revealed when the FDA
releases their proposed demon regulations.

Personally, I hope the FDA makes public their mischief
in October ... I'm grow weary of all the speculations.

 

[Kent C]

It's interesting that the formaldehyde was actually lower in the small container test -- <2 mcg / m3 on all vapors tested.

Makes me wonder if there was a 'control' to the test. Formaldehyde is in lots of things - carpets, deodorent, some hair and nail products, cleaning agents..... about 80 commonly used household/personal products. Someone might have 'just done' their nails

 

[DC2]

In case I need to find these posts again: formaldehyde, FDA listening session

 

[kristin]

Makes me wonder if there was a 'control' to the test. Formaldehyde is in lots of things - carpets, deodorent, some hair and nail products, cleaning agents..... about 80 commonly used household/personal products. Someone might have 'just done' their nails

Formaldehyde is found naturally in human breath. So, the only control would be to have the test in a vacuum, with all air from the building expelled from the room and all of the equipment cleaned in a clean room without human presence, if they want to ensure zero possibility of formaldehyde being present in the ambient air.

According to EPA standards, every human breath poses an unacceptable risk of cancer: http://www.americanchemistry.com/Pr...ms-with-EPAs-Formaldehyde-Risk-Assessment.pdf

 

[Burnie]

Formaldehyde is found naturally in human breath. So, the only control would be to have the test in a vacuum, with all air from the building expelled from the room and all of the equipment cleaned in a clean room without human presence, if they want to ensure zero possibility of formaldehyde being present in the ambient air.

According to EPA standards, every human breath poses an unacceptable risk of cancer: http://www.americanchemistry.com/Pr...ms-with-EPAs-Formaldehyde-Risk-Assessment.pdf

It's like I have said for years, Saliva Causes Cancer, But only is swallowed in small amounts over a long period of time.

Vape On

 

[Kent C]

Formaldehyde is found naturally in human breath. So, the only control would be to have the test in a vacuum, with all air from the building expelled from the room and all of the equipment cleaned in a clean room without human presence, if they want to ensure zero possibility of formaldehyde being present in the ambient air.

According to EPA standards, every human breath poses an unacceptable risk of cancer: http://www.americanchemistry.com/Pr...ms-with-EPAs-Formaldehyde-Risk-Assessment.pdf

Well... what I meant was a 'control' where someone is in the room not vaping - measure the formaldehyde, then put someone vaping and measure the formaldehyde. Or if they're using a machine to vape - before the vaping and after the vaping.

The tip off that something scientifically was wrong was more F in the smaller room - perhaps it was carpeted and the other wasn't. For any real scientist, that would have raised a question. But they got the result they wanted evidently.

 

[Kent C]

I don't want to start another thread but I was watching a rerun of 'This Old House' PBS where they had installed a heat exchanger for the house and as they were pouring in the anti-freeze into the pipes, the guy said 'And this is non-toxic anti-freeze with propylene glycol'. The 'pros' know what's up, but the masses believe the propagandists - some of whom fund that particular program.

I've always thought it a bit odd that they fix up million dollar houses, and review BMW's, Ferrari's and Mercedes (and others of course) on Motor Trend with gov't subsidies for the 'People's network'.