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[lorikay13]

Well you people that don't like clove...PLEASE VOTE......you have it backwards. I'm not fishing for any certain outcome...I really want to know how many people would actually want it compared to people who don't. I have a couple customers who have asked for it...and indicated that IF we had it many of their friends would buy the SS as well. So it seems to be a "group" thing...I'm thinking that is because it smells so GOD AWFUL that clove users have to stick together...LOL.

I have another issue with clove.....it's an oil. And clove eliquid has clove oil in it. I'm just not sure that's a good thing. I can't imagine Bill would ever go for this since he LOATHES the stuff......but what the heck...doesn't hurt to test the market, right?

oh...THANK YOU for voting!



Katya...whatever that creature is....I want one.

 

[Paislia]

Ah, you have to use the oil to make the liquid - no wonder nobody can make it right!

oh, and that is a hedgehog - SOOOOOUper cute pets - you need one!

 

[Katya]

Yup, it's a hedgehog, Lori, and it's all yours!

Seriously though, I tried three different kretek (clove) flavored ejuices in the past and I really couldn't vape them at all. All came from very well-regarded ECF-approved juice vendors. No, I didn't buy them--I received them as samples/gifts. I had the same problem with anything cinnamon flavored. Later on I learned that they are indeed made with essential oils (clove, cinnamon and some citrus flavors are made with non-water soluble oils.) There have been many discussions about dangers of using oils in vaping and reports of plastics (as in clearomizers) being damaged by oil-containing ejuices.

Here's what Kurt, our resident chemist and a person I trust completely, had to say on the subject of oils:

Esters in of themselves are not necessarily bad. Banana, pear, grape, rum and many other flavors are esters. But like alcohols, there are those that are ok for ingestion, and those that are not. Ethanol is not nearly as bad as isopropanol, and there is only one carbon difference.

Water-insoluble oils tend to dissolve things better than water-soluble flavors, as has been experienced with cinnamon oil here. Clove oil is similar in this respect (grind up some cloves in a plastic-lidded coffee-grinder, and see what it does to the plastic). Frankly anything that dissolves plastic is right out for me and vaping.

My advise is to stick to water-soluble flavorings. Essential oils may be "natural", but if they are water-insoluble, other problems from inhalation can arise. Not talking about reactions to form other compounds, just talking about insoluble oils themselves...if they do not dissolve, then they cannot be easily expelled.

There is a general belief here that flavorings should be all natural, and come from natural sources, like fruit extracts or essential oils. I completely disagree with this, because inhalation is NOT eating, and simple water soluble molecules that have a good food safety record are the lowest risk. The issues with inhalation make this especially important.

And here's a thread worth reading (with Kurt's input):

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/302953-vaping-clove-oil-safety.html

There are more threads discussing the subject, if anyone is interested. I've read enough to convince me to stay away from eliquids containing essential oils.

 

[Lady J]

oh wow, Katya (and Kurt). I never considered that it was an oil. No wonder they've pretty much all been awful. I wonder if I still want a good clove vape knowing about the plastic thing.

 

[lorikay13]

There is a general belief here that flavorings should be all natural, and come from natural sources, like fruit extracts or essential oils. I completely disagree with this, because inhalation is NOT eating, and simple water soluble molecules that have a good food safety record are the lowest risk. The issues with inhalation make this especially important.

whoever this guy is....he has my 100% approval!!! the word "natural" means NOTHING in the world of legalities and food labeling. It means even LESS in the vaping world. I could not agree more.....give me a clean room, lab created single molecule over something cooked up in someones garage in a turkey fryer any day And you think I'm kidding? Those of you who have been around know I'm not...there are juice vendors out there who pride themselves on their "home cooked" tobacco brews....NO THANKS! Rattlesnake venom is organic and natural...just like strychnine....and botulism.

 

[CES]

But..but..LK, botulinum toxin comes in ever so handy if you want to inject it into your face to make sure you can't move those pesky muscles that make wrinkles.....

(All sarcasm aside- i agree with you and Kurt 100%, Natural doesn't necessarily equal good. )

 

[lorikay13]

hehe...right you are CES....it's also used to treat stuttering...and um....pelvic floor dysfunction.....but I'm relative sure NOBODY wants to hear about that.

 

[CES]

stuttering? really? and it doesn't do this by eliminating speech entirely? (aren't there people that we'd all want to treat in that case )

 

[tiburonfirst]

all i can say is that kurt seems to be the only qualified chemist contributing on ecf and i'd trust his judgement any day .....

if he feels oils are dangerous i'd stay away ......

 

[lorikay13]

You got my vote Tib! And CES.....yes.....it's used in EXTREMELY controlled doses.....injected directly into the muscles around the larynx.....it works the same way in the pelvic floor for what they call outlet syndrome. And HELL NO I would not know from personal experience either way....LOL. I would be petrified to even use Botox!!!! Rather let a rattlesnake bite me...at least that's natural. hehe







so is eating poisonous mushrooms....RFLMAO!!!!!

 

[Allazar]

You got my vote Tib! And CES.....yes.....it's used in EXTREMELY controlled doses.....injected directly into the muscles around the larynx.....it works the same way in the pelvic floor for what they call outlet syndrome. And HELL NO I would not know from personal experience either way....LOL. I would be petrified to even use Botox!!!! Rather let a rattlesnake bite me...at least that's natural. hehe







so is eating poisonous mushrooms....RFLMAO!!!!!

The are some types of mushrooms that are quite good though LK

 

[CES]

LK, these cartos refill quite nicely


I wish i had some SS business cards. I was out last night and was talking to a couple of people who were familiar with, but had only tried genergic e-cigs. So i was showing them my various and sundry batteries and set ups (i carry several with different flavors at all times ). I let them try the halligan with the new cartos. they were blown away! so i told them where they could get them, and gave them cards for the local store, but didn't have any SS cards to give as well.

 

[lorikay13]

well CES......you could always carry....a pen. HAHAHAHAHAHA smokestik.com is pretty easy to remember.....no?

 

[CES]

...so i told them where they could get them...

 

[lorikay13]

flickflick.....hehe...missed that part.