From my understanding.....
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Oh Wait... wrong type of Kaboom.
If an ecig blows up in the forest and no one is around, does it still make a sound?
On topic- I agree with Sue, I wouldn't leave an ecig or any other equipment with a battery in a hot car for long periods of time.
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Oh really? Electric Cigarette Explodes in Fla. Man's Face - ABC News Granted, from what the ECF community has gathered this was a case of stacked batteries but still. A car battery holds 12 volts, if a charger fails while charging an unprotected battery, how many volts will that battery receive?
Going to have to disagree with you again. Texas man injured when Droid screen explodes | khou.com Houston
OK so batteries can explode. Next up ban the iPhone, iPad, as well as ALL other rechargeable battery devices.
Regardless of what can and cannot happen with batteries, going after eCigs based on the batteries is stupid unless you plan on doing it for ALL battery powered devices.
Regardless of what can and cannot happen with batteries, going after eCigs based on the batteries is stupid unless you plan on doing it for ALL battery powered devices.
Well, you can see with the video above a tiny ego 650mAh had enough to breach the housing. But I agree... the larger battery mods are usually stainless steel with threading .... the housing wont blow. But these larger batteries have much more venting, and the weakspot in most of these mods is the pressed-in 510 connector. Unfortunately, aimed directly at your face
Scott- who in this thread is saying ban ecigs? Maybe I missed something, but warning someone not to leave it in a hot car is not saying ban them.
Exactly. We all still use them, we just have learned to use them responsibly. Do not leave in a hot car, learn to use a voltage meter, and then use it often. Make sure your mod has proper venting. Stack batteries at your own risk.
Oh Wait... wrong type of Kaboom.
I think that's called an electrical fire. Your implication of the, "that proves it" argument, does not prove what you think it proves. Furthermore, you entirely miss the point of debate which pertains to misleading people... Even if you found a toaster that exploded that does not mean toasters are dangerous explosive devices.
The Antz that will invariably read this post will try to use exploding batteries as a reason to ban them. Pointing out that they would also have to ban the iPhone which means a fight with the financial powerhouse that is Apple just might be a deterrent.
I have already agreed earlier in this thread not to leave things like this or even actual cigarette lighters in a hot car. Nothing that is pressurized and/or flammable should ever be left in a hot car. This includes aerosol based hair spray and spray paint cans, cig lighters, propane tanks, and the like.
I have already agreed earlier in this thread not to leave things like this or even actual cigarette lighters in a hot car. Nothing that is pressurized and/or flammable should ever be left in a hot car. This includes aerosol based hair spray and spray paint cans, cig lighters, propane tanks, and the like.
You may call it an Electrical Fire. I just call her a Hottie.
BTW - I'm not in this Debate. Seems like the Only thing being Debated are Semantics.
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No one here is saying anything about banning batteries.
My point from my original post here about battery safety is that given the right circumstances the batteries that we use day in and day out have the potential to be dangerous things. Under NORMAL circumstances they are relatively SAFE to use. Just use common sense and know what NOT to do with them.
+ - Use only the approved battery that your device's manufacturer recommends.
+ - Use only reputable, brand-name batteries that have a proven track record of quality control.
+ - Do not use magnets in a battery device or a charger in order to make a connection.
+ - Use only a reputable, brand-name charger to charge your batteries, and never leave a battery that is charging unattended.
+ - Never over-discharge a battery. Never over-charge a battery. A multimeter or battery voltmeter is a good thing to have to check battery voltage coming out of a battery device and also check it coming off of a charger.
+ - Do not expose batteries to high heat. This would include leaving them in direct sunlight or in a hot car for a period of time.
+ - Use only mod battery devices that utilize a vent hole, use a collapsable hot spring, or have a power switch designed to vent a hard-shorted battery in thermal runaway.
+ - Never stack batteries unless the mod is specifically designed for this.
+ - Never place a battery device in a place where the power switch can inadvertantly be pressed (pocket or purse). Remove the battery or the juice delivery device first to break the electrical circuit. If your device has a power on/off feature, use it.
+ - Do not place a bare battery in a pocket or purse where there is metal (loose change or keys). Place it in a plastic battery case. Battery Cases
+ - For the utmost safety, use the special fire-......ent bags to charge your batteries in Battery Cases : Safe Charging Bag.
+ - Also consider using one of the VapeSafe Battery Fuses in your mechanical mods that offer no built-in safety features Batteries : Vape Safe Mod Fuse 2
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Its important to make such distinctions when people are making a mountain out of a mole hill if the difference between the two is also semantics.
You may be right.
But I still think She is a Hottie. And Not an Electrical Fire.
Batteries that malfunction (due to overheating or other problems...like shorts and too high amp draw) swell. It may block the vents. Then in a mod in particular with blocked vents...it will build up a lot of pressure. Enough that the lithium reaction causes a violent explosion of the e-cig case. Suppose it COULD happen with IMR too if the vents are blocked.
The battery venting reaction isn't as fast as normally associated with explosives. However, pressure is pressure. Put some dry ice in a 2-liter bottle with 1/3 water in it (OK, DON'T). It will explode. The literal meaning of the word.
I don't know what the hell you are debating. Explosion due to pressure buildup, 2-liter, e-cig, or anything else is still an explosion. Sure, some chemical combos are quicker than others, but the end result is still a boom. And possibly a fire.
Why are we even debating this?
The OP asked if he can keep his stuff in the car in winter or summer.
Summer: Glove box or carry, IMO. Carry is better. Crack the windows. I don't want to use batteries over 90 degrees F if I can avoid it.
Winter ... no problem. Watch for condensation on the PV though if you're worried about the electronics. (Rare, but a thought. Taking a cool PV into a warm air place MAY get some condensation. May not be an issue. I don't remember having a problem with it). The batteries like cold. Some store li-ion batteries in the freezer.
Juice....no big deal. Heating the juice thins it. Cooling thickens it. So hotter juice = more chance for leaks. Degrades faster with heat too. OTOH...good way to "fast steep". lol.
Suggest you keep the batteries in a cool place if possible before charging.
Two things you're not ignorant of. Keep working on it, #3 is just around the corner.
You're dead wrong.
Huh?
Why oh why is it so hard to simply say, "Thanks guys for the warning--I had no idea these things could happen. I'll be careful from now on; I'll try not to leave my batteries on the charger unattended, maybe I'll get a battery charging bag, I'll watch for any signs of overheating, I won't use mods that don't have adequate venting holes and I'll make to sure to use the right kind of batteries and chargers."?
Batteries store energy. Anytime you deal with stored energy, there is a chance of that energy being accidentally released. Even Boeing had problems with Li-Ion batteries.
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