From my understanding.....

[tiburonfirst]

You're dead wrong.



Huh?

Why oh why is it so hard to simply say, "Thanks guys for the warning--I had no idea these things could happen. I'll be careful from now on; I'll try not to leave my batteries on the charger unattended, maybe I'll get a battery charging bag, I'll watch for any signs of overheating, I won't use mods that don't have adequate venting holes and I'll make to sure to use the right kind of batteries and chargers."?

batteries store energy. Anytime you deal with stored energy, there is a chance of that energy being accidentally released. Even Boeing had problems with Li-Ion batteries.

can't resist anymore! this whole debate was started by somebody going offtrack! there has been, to my knowledge, not a single incident of a battery venting by being left in a hot car. all the mishaps occurred during some kind of operation, charging, stacking, shorts, etc.
but being overheated is not good for any kind of electronics so best to carry your stuff with you in the summer

 

[Baditude]

Quite the thread this has turned into...

I disagree. This is an EXTREMELY IMPORTANT topic. Keep the discussion going...

Let's play nice folks.

 

[Light Seeker]

Why oh why is it so hard to simply say, "Thanks guys for the warning--I had no idea

Just a simplistic red herring they're doing.... Going from the initial fallacy that ecigs don't explode, to now semantics over explosion vs venting/fire.

 

[zoiDman]

...........

Katya...

Good Avatar on this Day.

It's just a Shame that So Many horse will be standing on Three or Two Legs today.

 

[eratikmind]

I switch my auto insurance policy over to Geico, today.

- Andy

 

[Hippieangst]

Scary, but informative post. After reading some threads on that post and in this one, I immediately left work because I couldn't remember if I had a battery in the charger or not. When I got home, I found my eGo charged with a happy, green light and no signs of explosion.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/217880-exploding-ego-t-battery.html

 

[zoiDman]

All I know is I have some Serious BBQ-ing to tend to.

Hope everyone is having a Good 3-Day Weekend. And hope we Never Forget why we have the Day Off Today.

I'm out-of-here.

 

[llamainmypocket]

Attypop, its a pointless argument that e cigarettes can experience failure if all electronics can experience failure and everyone knows it. The attempt by some to create an illusion based upon subjectivity that e cigarettes are highly dangerous explosive devices has been defeated. It is likely that the aforementioned illusion was inspired by good intentions but it was still in error. You may or may not be right but your not in disagreement with me as far as I can tell.

 

[llamainmypocket]

Just a simplistic red herring they're doing.... Going from the initial fallacy that ecigs don't explode, to now semantics over explosion vs venting/fire.

E cigs don't explode and can't explode are two different things as is fire and explosions. Your failure to understand the difference is the basis of my criticism. Saying cars don't explode and can't explode are as different as candles which catch fire and fire crackers which explode. Saying candles don't explode does not mean that they can't. Your being a block head because you value feeling right more than actually being right. All that I needed to say was that you are guilty of subjective pretense, that is self evident.

 

[kelli]

i don't know anything about exploding batteries or such....but i did stay in a holiday inn express last night.

 

[Light Seeker]

E cigs don't explode and can't explode are two different things as is fire and explosions. Your failure to understand the difference is the basis of my criticism. Saying cars don't explode and can't explode are as different as candles which catch fire and fire crackers which explode. Saying candles don't explode does not mean that they can't. Your being a block head because you value feeling right more than actually being right. All that I needed to say was that you are guilty of subjective pretense, that is self evident.

Coming on a forum and stating the nonsense you have in this thread to readers that have varying levels of expertise including absolutely none is not just a disservice, it is downright dangerous. Lion batteries, as with any power source, have an inherent danger and risk, and should be treated accordingly even though the risk may be low. These batteries are in many electronics, and as this thread has proven, these same electronics have indeed had malfunctions of a catastrophic nature. To argue whether it is an explosion or a vent is ridiculous, it is catastrophic and has the danger of causing injury. Nobody in this thread has given any indication that our PVs are 'highly dangerous' as you state we have, but that these batteries do indeed have inherent danger which you refuse to admit, and there have been documented episodes of such. If you believe I'm guilty of subjective pretense, frankly I don't care, as I've had a catastrophic incident myself with a lion battery as I've previously stated, and I would rather caution others to their documented risks rather than ignoring any and all danger as you seem to feel, while debating what amounts to nothing more than the timing differences between a vent and an explosion, and the semantics of 'don't' vs 'can't'.

 

[classwife]

This thread can continue, but the pissy attitude needs to stop.

Take a moment, get your self in check...read the forum rules about posting on ECF :

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-forum-rules/51178-forum-rules.html
7. Courtesy
a. Members must be polite at all times. When addressing another Forum user, you will be polite. Courteous discussion is welcome here but heated and abusive argument is not.
8. Personal attacks
You can disagree with the subject matter of a post, but never personally attack the poster - “Attack the post, not the poster”. Treat people as you would like to be treated yourself: with courtesy.

 

[Light Seeker]

Apologies classwife, you're correct. My catastrophic malfunctioning post wasn't an explosion, just a vent

 

[skyztheLynnit]

In other news.. Energizer bunny battery go boom!

 

[classwife]

Apologies classwife, you're correct. My catastrophic malfunctioning post wasn't an explosion, just a vent

All good, venting is one type of malfunction, but I guarantee, there are just some Mods you don't want exploding !

 

[AttyPops]

One thing that I hope we all consider...is not just English language semantics...but the inaccuracy of e-cig terminology.

For example, some people refer to the entire power-unit (the 'e-cig minus the coil type') as a "battery"...particularly for the self-contained models. Thus, they have a power cell, and an enclosure that could build up pressure if it doesn't vent properly.

Thus...debating a venting versus exploding "battery" for e-cigs is fraught with peril.

 

[AngusATAT]

All good, venting is one type of malfunction, but I guarantee, there are just some Mods you don't want exploding !

Preach on, sister!

 

[CoRporis]

The Antz that will invariably read this post will try to use exploding batteries as a reason to ban them. Pointing out that they would also have to ban the iPhone which means a fight with the financial powerhouse that is Apple just might be a deterrent.

I have already agreed earlier in this thread not to leave things like this or even actual cigarette lighters in a hot car. Nothing that is pressurized and/or flammable should ever be left in a hot car. This includes aerosol based hair spray and spray paint cans, cig lighters, propane tanks, and the like.

Wether or not ANTZ/FDA/NSA, read this and say- OMG new info to use!! is irrelevant. New user safety and information should, IMO, be first and foremost the most important topic. Those people that wish to ban ECIG/PVs/whatever you wish to call them will find any and all reason without the info found in this thread. The fact they exist at all is enough of a reason. The fact that the already documented cases they explode is enough.

The nit-picking on the semantics/verbage in this thread is really frustrating and will only confuse new people. It really needs to stop. You say fire, I say explode, the guy on youtube says it "shot" across the room. Enough already! The fact is that a malfunctioned battery did anything beyond just stopped working is good enough reason for caution.

 

[Katya]

All good, venting is one type of malfunction, but I guarantee, there are just some Mods you don't want exploding !

*tiptoes quietly out of the room*

 

[zoiDman]

Just when I thought it was Safe to go to the Grocery Store...