frustrated and struggling with vaping.

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The awesome thing about ecigs and eliquid is you do not have to inhale it to get the nicotine. With cigarettes you have to inhale the smoke and your lungs absorb the nicotine, but with ecigs you do not have to inhale because the nicotine is absorbed in your mouth instead of just the lungs! I had coughing fits when I started vaping when I smoked also, and then when I started smoking less where the crap was clearing out of my lungs. Looking for to hearing about your new eliquid, and progress!

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so, i havent been directly counting the death sticks i've been smoking... but based on how much is left in the pack when i go to bed i'm at about 3/4 of pack a day, which means my smoking has significantly increased while my vaping has stayed the same.
24mg WTA from aroma ejuice should arrive tomorrow or thursday, so i'm really hoping that will actually give me some satisfaction.
i'm still dealing with pain and coughing fits especially with my first few vape sessions of the day. it gets better as the day goes on, and if i hold it in my mouth for a few seconds before inhaling it at least for the first few sessions. is this a normal thing?

No it really isn't normal at all. Honestly if this were happening to me I would stop doing it. Your body is telling you something, you shouldn't just power through pain and coughing fits.
 

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MikeE87, if I knew you irl i'd punch you. But I don't so im just gonna ignore you in the future.
I'm not willing to give it up, my lungs are fickle and have been since my last bout with pneumonia. I can't imagine this is worse than smoking. I have noticed that the pain and coughing seems to be worse the higher the pg level- but this is only a observation and could be coincidental, i don't have enough experience to say one way or the other.
After my first few vaping sessions of the day it's no longer an issue, it's rather bizzare. I've been attributing it to my lungs needing to adjust, but I don't see others that inknow who are as new to vaping as I am having the same problem.
Hrmmm.
not inhaling is an option, but im the kind of person who inhales cigars and pipes. Never done the whole mouth draw exhale thing.
it's also possible that I'm just nitpicking and trying to tear this apart mentally to convince myself that this won't for work me- I've been known to do that. I want it to work though.
I can't really say if it has a chance until the higher nicotine level WTA stuff comes.
coughing fits or not, if that offers even the slightest bit of satisfaction, then I'm in this for the long haul.
 

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so, i havent been directly counting the death sticks i've been smoking... but based on how much is left in the pack when i go to bed i'm at about 3/4 of pack a day, which means my smoking has significantly increased while my vaping has stayed the same.
24mg WTA from aroma ejuice should arrive tomorrow or thursday, so i'm really hoping that will actually give me some satisfaction.
i'm still dealing with pain and coughing fits especially with my first few vape sessions of the day. it gets better as the day goes on, and if i hold it in my mouth for a few seconds before inhaling it at least for the first few sessions. is this a normal thing?

It's normal for me, I can't handle any throat hit in the morning at all, without having that same cough-up-a-lung reaction I got from cigarettes; I've always figured it was my asthma that caused it, but maybe it's normal for a lot of smokers (or even recently-ex-smokers) to greet the day that way. :D I mixed up a really tasty cinnamon-apple-clove ejuice mixture for morning, that has zero throat hit if I vape it at any other time of day, but in the morning, with my voltage turned down to about 3.6v, it's just right -- it's mild on the throat though a bit higher in nicotine than my regular vape, so I get over my morning temptation without all that coughing. The coughing *is* a LOT better than it was, almost 3 wks smoke-free, but with asthma, some coughing is always normal in the morning -- it's how I get my lungs awake, I guess. :D At least I no longer wake up 1) sounding like a water pipe, or 2) reaching for the inhaler before I'm even out of bed. :thumb:

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it's also possible that I'm just nitpicking and trying to tear this apart mentally to convince myself that this won't for work me- I've been known to do that. I want it to work though.
I can't really say if it has a chance until the higher nicotine level WTA stuff comes.
coughing fits or not, if that offers even the slightest bit of satisfaction, then I'm in this for the long haul.

Good for you. It's entirely possible that the cigarette addict in your head is reaching for any little thing it can find, to deter you from the "horror" of quitting -- brains are bad about doing crap like that; they just want what they want when they want it, and don't have the capacity to realize that the thing they want is going to kill the entire organism -- you. Brain is like a spoiled-rotten 3 yr old; it takes *mind* to rise above that sort of childish thinking, and act in a more positive way. I think of it as my "little self" -- the spoiled rotten addict -- and my Real Self, the one who doesn't want to die of lung cancer or COPD, and who owns this brain, not the other way around.

It really is possible; I smoked for 39 yrs and did not have the SLIGHTEST interest in quitting, when I got here in January; all I was looking for was a way to indulge my "habit" without having to go hang out on the front porch, freezing my bits off. But I started reading all this about how easy it was to quit, using e-cigs, and when I started really vaping regularly, I found that the smokes just didn't taste good; the longer I vaped, the worse they tasted; the last one tasted like a mouthful of lye, it was so bitter and acrid and just plain nasty. I made myself sit out there in sub-freezing temps, smoking that last one right down to the bitter end, so I wouldn't forget how awful it was.

On my 5th day smoke free, was the first time I woke up without sounding like a water pipe, and I was confused -- I'd been waking to the sound of my own lungs for 30 yrs. The lack of that sound was like a shaft of light in the darkness; I knew it was really possible, and it was really worth whatever it took.

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When I first started vaping, I would cough too. especially the first couple vapes of the day. This was when I was mixing with analogues prior to three weeks ago. The coughing stopped a couple days after I put the cigs down. The main reason for the coughing is drawing the vapor straight into your lungs. Draw into your mouth, taste it for a bit, then inhale if you need to. May sound funny, but try to french inhale like chicks do, lol. You'll absorb much more nicotine that way. (Just practice that when not in front of the guys, lol).
 

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I am new to vaping too and have experienced the same feelings. Still not off cigs entirely but have slowed way down on them. What seems to be helping me is to switch between higher nic fluids and my current regular strength nic. After a couple of weeks at 24 I needed to go lower so went to 18 and then quickly to 12. I have 6 now but still need to use 12 regularly. As long as I am reducing the number of cigs I'm not going to beat myself up at this stage. Yes, I wish I had been able to stop analogs immediately as I had thought would happen. Now I have decided to enjoy the journey instead of trying to make it happen. Hang in there.
 
1 year off cigs for me woo hoo .for anyone struggling out there ...keep at it ..Once I discovered microcoils and cotton I (and my Kayfun).
I knew I would never smoke again..watch alot of youtube pbusardo,riptrippers,grimgreen etc...they are a great knowledge base for all different products,building coils etc.I learned so much from those guys ...good luck to all new vapers
 

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I do what bover907 said, I draw into my mouth and then inhale into my lungs or sometimes I don't inhale and let the vspor out through my nose. I love drawing the vapor in my mouth first, because like bover said you will get to really taste it!
I never inhale directly into my lungs, because it actually kinda hurts me....lol I do not know if it is hard on other fellow vapors. :)
Do not give up! You can do it! We all have faith in you! Just one day at a time!

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Maybe it's an asthmatic thing then.
that's good to know.
I don't doubt that the first thing I reach for when I get out of bed will continue to be my nebulizer... but I'd like to stop following it with a smoke. Even I know I'm a tool for doing that.

Yeah I felt like an idiot for so long; gotta fork over mega bucks for the inhalers, so I can keep smoking. Gotta fork over mega bucks for the cigs so I gotta keep forking over mega bucks for the inhalers. :facepalm:

I do think it's an asthmatic thing, that continuing cough in the morning. When you sleep, your breathing is very shallow; on waking, an asthmatic has to get those bronchioles moving, because there is going to be *some* amount of mucus in them, because of the night-long shallow breathing, and that must be cleared before the wheeze or even the little draggy feeling goes away.

That morning "green giant standing on my chest" (as I described the feeling to my son, when he suffered bronchitis but often wheezed) was how I first recognized that something was wrong with my lungs. Several quacks gave me some BS meds for it, but it didn't go away, so I finally went to the chief of pulmonary medicine at Wyandotte Hospital (in michigan, when i lived there), and he diagnosed me at once, "textbook asthma" he said, and apparently adult-onset asthma is not unusual in smokers, and usually leads to COPD.

Anyway, I do still need the inhaler, that hasn't gone away and may never; there is no "cure" for asthma after all. But it's not the same urgent necessity that it was when I was still smoking, I don't use it nearly as often, and I believe the need will decrease, the longer I'm smoke-free. I've got this "vaping not smoking" chart on the wall here, and it says that after 3 months, the lungs regain the ability to clean themselves. To which I can only say, COME ON THREE MONTHS! :D

One thing -- you mentioned that PG kinda irritates your throat, but that's the primary vehicle, the "carrier" liquid, in most asthma inhalers (I use Ventolin, which is the only HFA albuterol that doesn't taste like grain alcohol) -- which I'm sure is why I've had NO issues with PG since starting vaping. Last week, my usual PG-Blend Virginia was sold out, and I had to get the VG blend instead, just to keep the same taste -- I'm unfortunately quite picky about that. I found that vaping 85% VG gave me a sensation in my chest like I had a hairball I couldn't cough up, just really uncomfortable. The VG is just too heavy for my lungs, so I have to stick to 85%-and-up PG blends, and drink LOTS!!! of water to make sure I stay hydrated. The irritation you feel might be just that really bad dry throat, and PG can definitely cause that, but you might find a higher level of PG easier on your lungs; it's a lot lighter, and also carries taste a lot better, and gives a much better throat hit. I've been back on my regular PG blend for 2 days, and already that "hairball" feeling is easing a lot. By the end of the week I expect it should be gone, and I will definitely make sure in future to order enough, far enough ahead of my needs, that I NEVER have to vape the VG stuff again.

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IMMENSELY useful and enlightening thread... :toast:

first post, gotta get the first newbie 5 posts out of the way, lol. have not started vaping yet but will in a matter of days when the e-cig starter kit arrives in the mail... peering into these forums before i even begin is very useful and encouraging - this whole thing is overwhelming, and there is so much useful here.
 

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IMMENSELY useful and enlightening thread... :toast:

first post, gotta get the first newbie 5 posts out of the way, lol. have not started vaping yet but will in a matter of days when the e-cig starter kit arrives in the mail... peering into these forums before i even begin is very useful and encouraging - this whole thing is overwhelming, and there is so much useful here.

Yeah it seems that a lot of folks whine about having to start out here with those 5 posts, but when I got here, I was so overwhelmed I was glad there was a definite place to start, or I wouldn't have known WHERE to start! I wasn't really "vaping" yet either, had tried a few of the drugstore disposables and was completely underwhelmed, so I came to that fount of all knowledge -- a/k/a Google ;) -- and just searched for "e-cigarettes" -- and it brought me here. Thank god!!! Some really great folks here enlightened me about the eRoll, since I was deadset on a "cigalike," and that little beauty got me to quitting smoking -- which I never thought would happen! :D

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.... eRunning to go lookup eRoll ..... :laugh:

can you tell me what about that one was particularly pleasing for you?

i also am starting with a cigalike; am beginning to see that's a pretty typical newbie move, LMAO.

but i really did not want to start with one a those huge hookah-lookin things, lol. not sure i'm ready to start this process with something that looks like a rocket launcher sticking outta my face. :ohmy:
 
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.... eRunning to go lookup eRoll ..... :laugh:

can you tell me what about that one was particularly pleasing for you?

i also am starting with a cigalike; am beginning to see that's a pretty typical newbie move, LMAO.

but i really did not want to start with one a those huge hookah-lookin things, lol. not sure i'm ready to start this process with something that looks like a rocket launcher sticking outta my face. :ohmy:

Heh... I still kinda feel that way, even though I now understand their appeal.

I liked the eRoll because it was the smallest cigalike I could find, that was also refillable/rechargeable. Also, I got the "silver" version, so that to an onlooker, it's a bit more clear that I'm not 'smoking a cigarette' (the blue LED at the tip is a dead giveaway too! :D ). My dependence on nicotine is not enormous; I had smoked ultra-lights for about 20 yrs, and recently had cut down from my usual pk a day to about 13-15 a day; however I had a VAST psychological dependence on smoking, and I knew that I needed something *in my hand* that would closely approximate the size and shape of a cigarette. It's not exact; the eRoll, small as it is, is still a bit heavier than a cigarette, and I smoked those slim 120s, so it was quite different from that, but still close enough to the size and shape of a cigarette that it could fool my inner addict into thinking I was smoking. Although I got an iTaste vv3 (variable voltage and wattage) earlier in the week that ended up quitting smoking, and I love it completely, on a few occasions when cravings have hit me hard, I'd go get the eRoll and "pretend" I was smoking; it's extremely helpful in that regard.

Also, the eRoll isn't costly, and that was a huge consideration at first, when I was still helping to keep Big Tobacco in business, :D and it also doesn't need any additional parts -- the iTaste for instance, like *most* e-cigs, needs a topper of some kind -- a tank to hold the liquid, or some other kind of doohickey -- there are several kinds, though the tank (clearomizer or glassomizer), seems like it might be the most popular.

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VERY helpful, thank you.

this ---> 'I knew that I needed something *in my hand* that would closely approximate the size and shape of a cigarette' ...

and this ---> 'and "pretend" I was smoking; it's extremely helpful in that regard'

... is IT, EXACTLY. for me. those are pretty much my same reasons for wanting the cigalike. i feel like it HAS to mimic my 'typical smoking behavior', if i want it to feel like a successful substitute. Also i'm not a tinkerer or a hobbyist. Having to futz around with stuff just annoys me. I want something that works simply and easily without having to tweak stuff, fool around with parts, etc.

After reading a lot here, I now realize this may not be what i stay with - especially after reading about the gardens of earthly delights of delicious juices - but that it really IS the best starting point for me. thanks so much.
 
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A few days ago I started vaping seriously- like hours of vaping, after a morning of smoking. I got a bad cough a few times. I think it would go away eventually, but it's something I think that is due to smoking, my lungs were feeling sensitive and I got a pins and needles sensation from the PG.

My GF has a friend and she loaned her an e-cig to try and she hacked a bit too (probably taking very hard drags). It turns some smokers off, but it's my understanding it's normal and it goes away in time.
 
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Have you tried maybe a 12 mg nic, and turning up the power to have more smoke effect, and it feels like smoking a bit more? I got started a couple days ago with 18 and it burned, however dropped to 12 and got a pt2 mini, which was more efficient and haven't had a single throat burn and have been taking bigger pulls, and being satisfied.


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I'd add to the nic level I find in the morning I need something with a bit more kick and I usually use Johnson Creek domestic in 24mg. Then later in the day I go down to 18mg but I've only been off smokes for a month or so thus far but this works for me. Currently hitting the 24mg while starting the woodstoves in the shop but looking forward to the smoother vape of the lighter nic stuff;)

It's a process though and everyone is different but I'd start with higher nic.

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