Funky weird cough. My cold or vaping?
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Well, in my case it's the variability that surprises me. A good one doesn't make me cough at all, I just get a great tingling hit. A bad one feels like it'll kill me before I finish it. No correlation with the supplier of the readymades or with my methods of refilling or the number of times I've refilled. The only thing that might make sense is some kind of degradation due to storage - for all I know the bad ready-mades could have been old stock, and I think the bad refilled ones had been left around some time before I used them. I refilled a cartridge several times today, and used it immediately, and it's been fine.
Is storage known to cause trouble like this? The bottle of liquid has been around for some time but I can still make good refills from it, which would suggest at least that keeps well. So why would it go off when it's in the cartridge?
Valid questions, don't you think? And they're just part of the great unknowns about e-smoking.. unknowns that need to become knowns, and quickly. If the FDA demands side effects of e-smoking be listed on devices and liquids, what would we say?
The members of ECA better be ready with a proper list.
Surely anyone can see that some degree of regulation is essential if e-smoking is to evolve and blossom. The present situation is ridiculous .. and dangerous.
The members of ECA better be ready with a proper list.
Surely anyone can see that some degree of regulation is essential if e-smoking is to evolve and blossom. The present situation is ridiculous .. and dangerous.
I don't care what the product is someone is going to have side effects, real and imaginary. I say imaginary because thats one of the ways placibos help a study.
Hell, I still say the best solution in the world would be if the cigarettes themselves were regulated, and they were made with just natural tobacco without all the other crap they put in it to hook you. If you could smoke tobacco without being completely hooked to it like I am now, I think they wouldnt be all that bad. I would love just to be able to have a cigarette here or there and not have to smoke a pack and a half a day. :-\
It's a complex issue. On the one hand there's definitely something funky going on with e-cigs, above and beyond any placebo effect. The phlegm I coughed up from the bottom of my lungs wasn't imaginary. It's so tantalising because I've experienced both extremes but I never know which one I'm going to get because I (and/or the suppliers) haven't ironed out some flaw in the method, even though everything looks so simple and easy to control. Meanwhile we have an alternative to tobacco smoking that could save lives or it could kill. We need some good science here!
So I agree that proper research and regulation is urgently needed. The fact that tobacco is both legal and lethal tends to get in the way of common sense.
I also agree that there are relatively safe forms of tobacco smoking, and they aren't talked about enough in the public debate. Tobacco can be grown and cured in such ways as to dramatically reduce its carcinogenic properties. I've heard that Turkish tobacco is a lot less dangerous than the Western stuff. It beggars belief (yet seems to be a fact) that Western tobacco contains enough radioactive material to explain all the lung cancer deaths it causes - radioactivity in tobacco is largely avoidable, but nobody seems to be selling the safe form. All we get from health professionals and governments is that we must quit smoking.
There is also something that can be added to tobacco that is believed to dilate the airways of the lungs (tobacco smoking normally constricts them), thus allowing the smoker to cough up the filth before it does much damage. It's widely available and many people do indeed add it to tobacco, though that's not its primary purpose. I won't mention it by name because I don't want to break the forum rules. I used to use it myself but it's illegal and I'm likely to be tested for it in the near future, so I had to stop. 'Nuff said.
So I agree that proper research and regulation is urgently needed. The fact that tobacco is both legal and lethal tends to get in the way of common sense.
I also agree that there are relatively safe forms of tobacco smoking, and they aren't talked about enough in the public debate. Tobacco can be grown and cured in such ways as to dramatically reduce its carcinogenic properties. I've heard that Turkish tobacco is a lot less dangerous than the Western stuff. It beggars belief (yet seems to be a fact) that Western tobacco contains enough radioactive material to explain all the lung cancer deaths it causes - radioactivity in tobacco is largely avoidable, but nobody seems to be selling the safe form. All we get from health professionals and governments is that we must quit smoking.
There is also something that can be added to tobacco that is believed to dilate the airways of the lungs (tobacco smoking normally constricts them), thus allowing the smoker to cough up the filth before it does much damage. It's widely available and many people do indeed add it to tobacco, though that's not its primary purpose. I won't mention it by name because I don't want to break the forum rules. I used to use it myself but it's illegal and I'm likely to be tested for it in the near future, so I had to stop. 'Nuff said.
Yeah, I agree. They add a lot more stuff to the tobacco, its really a science. Cigarettes are engineered. They are meant to hook us badly. It doesn't hook everyone to a crazy extreme, but they do get a nice percentage who really get hooked bad, like me lol.
But still, I am not sure why people are getting surprised if they get a cough, or spit up phlegm. We aren't inhaling oxygen, we are inhaling a substance. Our lungs are made to breath in oxygen, not PG, or VG or anything else. I am sure after time it accumulates in the lungs. I think its actually a good thing you guys are coughing something up, at least it means your getting some of it out of your system instead of it just building up there forever.
But still, I am not sure why people are getting surprised if they get a cough, or spit up phlegm. We aren't inhaling oxygen, we are inhaling a substance. Our lungs are made to breath in oxygen, not PG, or VG or anything else. I am sure after time it accumulates in the lungs. I think its actually a good thing you guys are coughing something up, at least it means your getting some of it out of your system instead of it just building up there forever.
Right - even those medically-approved cold nicotine inhalers have side effects.
With me, I'm just annoyed that I can't reproducibly get the effect I want - I know it's attainable, because it sometiimes happens - big nicotine hit, very little visible vapour, and no cough reflex or phlegm at all.
With me, I'm just annoyed that I can't reproducibly get the effect I want - I know it's attainable, because it sometiimes happens - big nicotine hit, very little visible vapour, and no cough reflex or phlegm at all.
The head shops sell smokeless vaporisers for that too......strangely enough I was considering getting one so I can use it for nicotine - I suspect the effect would be more reproducible than my e-cig. One I saw was basically a soldering iron with a little iron "basket" in place of the bit. Containment was an inverted jam jar - could probably make one quite easily, if I knew what material to use for the "basket." Couldn't use it in public though, without getting the wrong kind of attention
The head shops sell smokeless vaporisers for that too......strangely enough I was considering getting one so I can use it for nicotine - I suspect the effect would be more reproducible than my e-cig. One I saw was basically a soldering iron with a little iron "basket" in place of the bit. Containment was an inverted jam jar - could probably make one quite easily, if I knew what material to use for the "basket." Couldn't use it in public though, without getting the wrong kind of attention
Really? I've never heard of such a thing. Can you tell me what to use on google?
Ah. I found an example. I'm confused as to how it relates to our E-cigs... but I am worried of violating forum rules.... IF you put say.... Tobacco.... into this thing...
And then thing vaporized the tobacco with heat..... How is that any different from lighting it on fire? I mean, what we use is highly refined chemicals to replace the flaming plant matter... But the people using those are putting plant matter directly into them.
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A vaporiser (that's what they're called) doesn't have a temperature as high as the flashpoint of vegetable matter - so there's no smoke, but the nicotine vaporises just like it does in an e-cig.
Vaporizer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But, if the plant matter is put in directly, would they not be vaping large numbers of chemicals other then the desired chemical, thus making it perhaps better then smoking, but still.... ? Hmm...
Now, on the original subject.... In the last day or so, I am vaping new flavors. I 'seem' to be being a bit better. I will keep you advised.
Now, on the original subject.... In the last day or so, I am vaping new flavors. I 'seem' to be being a bit better. I will keep you advised.
^ Also, head shops may these days be reluctant to sell you one of these devices, as the law seems to be clamping down on them. However, they might be more co-operative if you show them your e-cig and e-liquid and explain that you only want it for nicotine delivery. You'd probably want to discuss its suitability with them, as I'm not sure whether they'd all work with e-liquid or not. Apparently it's within the law to sell a vaporiser as long as it's not sold as "drug paraphernalia" - which obviously it wouldn't be in this case, really it's just a big e-cig you'd be buying.
Looking at the article, I'd say good temperature control would probably be an important feature, as it is with e-cigs.....ideally I'd want one with an adjustable thermostat and digital temperature readout so I'd know exactly what was going on. Actually I think this could easily be an improvement on e-cigs, as there are fewer constraints on the design - the cig has to be battery-powered, small and light, and it's inherently difficult to see what's going on inside, whereas these vaporisers can be whatever they need to be. So many e-cig users complain of problems in getting a reliable nicotine hit, and that's my biggest beef with the things, though it doesn't intrinsically need rocket science to vaporise and inhale a drop of nicotine liquid, and get a repeatable hit.
Of course you're inviting trouble if you use a device from a head shop in public places - you wouldn't be breaking the law if you used it solely for nicotine, but telling that to the authorities before they've dragged you away screaming might not be so easy.
Looking at the article, I'd say good temperature control would probably be an important feature, as it is with e-cigs.....ideally I'd want one with an adjustable thermostat and digital temperature readout so I'd know exactly what was going on. Actually I think this could easily be an improvement on e-cigs, as there are fewer constraints on the design - the cig has to be battery-powered, small and light, and it's inherently difficult to see what's going on inside, whereas these vaporisers can be whatever they need to be. So many e-cig users complain of problems in getting a reliable nicotine hit, and that's my biggest beef with the things, though it doesn't intrinsically need rocket science to vaporise and inhale a drop of nicotine liquid, and get a repeatable hit.
Of course you're inviting trouble if you use a device from a head shop in public places - you wouldn't be breaking the law if you used it solely for nicotine, but telling that to the authorities before they've dragged you away screaming might not be so easy.
I'd have thought so - but there have been a number of studies showing the vapour contains a lot less toxins than actual smoke - smoke contains combustion products which are a lot less healthy than plant vapour - tar and carbon monoxide for a start. I wouldn't feel too safe using tobacco in these things though - tobacco contains radioactive polonium-2108-o, which isn't at all safe, and that might get vaporised. It's the reason cigarette smokers often get bladder cancer as well as lung cancer, or so I've read.
If that's true, we should grow 40 quadrillion bushels of tobacco and use it to solve the energy crisis!
If that's true, we should grow 40 quadrillion bushels of tobacco and use it to solve the energy crisis!
Yes and nicotine would be a lucrative by-product - there'd be so much of it that we could bring down the price of e-liquid to a few pennies per bottle
Here's where I first read about the radioactivity of tobacco:Health effects of tobacco - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We'd need a lot of the mineral apatite for a good yield of radionuclides - apparently that's how America manages to make its tobacco so rich in the stuff - before e-cigs I was considering getting some Turkish baccy to reduce the health risks, but it's not easy to find it over here. Maybe it just doesn't appeal to the Western taste buds. Not that the polonium is essential for the flavour, the apatite starves the plants of nitrogen and that gives it the taste, only apatite is also radioactive - you'd think the FDA would be into stopping them from using that, but they've got better things to do, like blocking the importation of e-liquid....go figure.
Back on topic, I haven't had a significant cough for a couple of weeks, still don't know what caused mine, but my e-liquid doesn't cause it. As long as I keep the atomiser moist (either with topping off or direct dripping), my lungs are pretty sound. I have had a slight sore throat occasionally, and I think I know why:
When I keep the atomiser moist, the latent heat of vaporisation (of the e-liquid) keeps things relatively cool but still gives plenty of vapour because there's lots of liquid close to the atomiser, which boils off nicely. But if I don't keep it moist, then the only way I can get a hit is to keep pulling till the (relatively dry) atomiser gets somewhat hotter, which (I think) sends a hotter vapour mist into my mouth - it feels good but I reckon it's the hotter (and thinner) vapour hitting my throat that makes it sore. It's also probably bad for the atomiser to run it so hot and dry, and uses up the batteries quicker. So my way of stopping the sore throats is to keep topping off. As for that cough of mine, this stuff doesn't cause it:
E-Liquid 30ml for all Electronic Cigarette in Marlboro: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo
It's all I use, and as I say, it doesn't make me cough and it does the job.
Well I started coughing up brown stuff (I assume it was the tar from the analogs). I did have a bit of a sinus infection too. I hope you feel better Bob!
I do, Orlampagal. I mentioned that I had a cold last month. It just went into acute bronchitis, which is something not at all unusual for veteran cigarette smokers. During that cold, I was coughing really violently for four nights -- and couldn't sleep. Apparently the bronchial tubes became inflamed. That could cause continued coughing for a month or more, medical folks say. And that's my case, but I'm getting much better.
I did stay off e-cigs for two days (NOT EASY!) and that did not affect the coughing. So I'm back to my regular e-cig use, while the cough lessens each day. Thanks.
I did stay off e-cigs for two days (NOT EASY!) and that did not affect the coughing. So I'm back to my regular e-cig use, while the cough lessens each day. Thanks.
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