Oh no, not Outside to the smoking area.
Gear up folks. The end is near.
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Oh no, not Outside to the smoking area.
You remind me of one of my favorite quotes of all time:
"Do you have ANY idea how g*dd**n crazy you are?"
"You mean the nature of this conversation?"
"I mean the nature of you."
-Free atty to the first person who can tell me what movie this is from...lol j/k
-J4mmin
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quiet noobz.
First of all, you're in the wrong room, pal! I believe they have a "Religious Forum" here and I think that is where you should take your bible-thumping.
Also, as someone else pointed out, you are trolling. You started the thread with your melodramatic "The End Is Near" bs. I have my beliefs and they are private. You are trolling, "fishing for men". I can tolerate someone trying to push their "religion" on me once but now you want to preach. If so, find a street corner.
If nothing else you are a hypocrite. If you are so damned concerned about vp's then quit. But don't use it as an excuse to subject us all to your sermons.
If you feel so "unclean" then take a shower and throw your vaporizer out the window!
P.S. As I said, there is a religious section and you might be happier there. I know I would be.
First of all, you're in the wrong room, pal! I believe they have a "Religious Forum" here and I think that is where you should take your bible-thumping.
Also, as someone else pointed out, you are trolling. You started the thread with your melodramatic "The End Is Near" bs. I have my beliefs and they are private. You are trolling, "fishing for men". I can tolerate someone trying to push their "religion" on me once but now you want to preach. If so, find a street corner.
If nothing else you are a hypocrite. If you are so damned concerned about vp's then quit. But don't use it as an excuse to subject us all to your sermons.
If you feel so "unclean" then take a shower and throw your vaporizer out the window!
P.S. As I said, there is a religious section and you might be happier there. I know I would be.
Sorry but if I'm going to believe in a man in the sky that knows if vaping is good or bad I'll believe in Santa Clause. At least he is going to bring me some atties, some batteries, and a chuck in 2 weeks. If he doesn't, then screw it, I'll believe in Starvin' Marvin. Besides everyone knows that you go to heaven for the climate and hell for the company. If I wanted good weather that bad, I would have already moved to San Diego.
You remind me of one of my favorite quotes of all time:
"Do you have ANY idea how g*dd**n crazy you are?"
"You mean the nature of this conversation?"
"I mean the nature of you."
-Free atty to the first person who can tell me what movie this is from...lol j/k
-J4mmin
No counrty for old men
Just so I can get this straight.........am I or am I not going to hell for ordering that Xhaler last week?
I urge you to be careful with the word "addiction" as it inspires a Pharisaical spirit. Not all addictions should be considered "sinful lusts of the flesh" as there remains a possibility for healthy dependence.
Colossians 2:20-23 (The Message) So, then, if with Christ you've put all that pretentious and infantile religion behind you, why do you let yourselves be bullied by it? "Don't touch this! Don't taste that! Don't go near this!" Do you think things that are here today and gone tomorrow are worth that kind of attention? Such things sound impressive if said in a deep enough voice. They even give the illusion of being pious and humble and ascetic. But they're just another way of showing off, making yourselves look important.
As pointed out by others, the most likely explanation for this situation is dehydration. Propylene glycol is a humectant and it is drying you out. Go and thirst no more.
Its a rather simple matter to titrate down your nicotine usage, actually.
For me, as long as there is a "clean" way to get the nicotine, it helps my ADHD addled brain to focus and the act of taking time out of my day to enjoy a good vape helps me to put my life and spirituality into perspective.
Before the deleterious health effects of nicotine were discovered and the modern pharisees went off the deep end, smoking was considered amoral and a good and proper activity for shepherd and layman alike.
Actually we get considerably less nicotine. There is more nicotine in a single cigarette than an entire e-cig cartridge, but because of the difference in the way that the chemical is delivered and absorbed many e-cig users choose to vape more often to pacify the urge to smoke.
I don't think you've been banned so perhaps it was allowable, but it is certainly overblown. You are only guessing that we are getting higher doses of nicotine and offered no evidence to suggest that vaping is difficult to quit. Quite the contrary, it is a very simple matter to gradually decrease the amount of nicotine while retaining the pacifying effects of vaping for as long as necessary.
Alternately, for people like me for whom Nicotine is not a stumbling block but a stepping stone to a sound mind and body, the miniscule risks presented by e-cigs can be justified.
Indeed.
You are presuming facts that are not in evidence: That the problem is the addiction and not the poison itself. Not everyone who uses nicotine is addicted to it. Nicotine is not unclean. Nicotine has effectively been sanctified by the e-cigarette. That which is unclean (tar, carbon monoxide, impurities, etc) has been left behind. Whenever we see the cloud of vapor, we are reminded of the covenant between God and man that the clouds will never again be used to destroy life.
(Yes, I realize I'm being a bit facetious with the spiritual references, but since this is not the proper venue for religious discourse, I'll consider myself excused)
I would like to trust in the fact that the USA is a fair and just country and that the nation is headed for change. With that said, we know e-cigs are the way to go and that transitioning society into this form of "smoking" will be better.
MARK 7:15 "Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean.'"
I guess for some people, they need to believe in the strong, wrathful, vengeful God in order to find meaning in life. I'm not one of them.
"A bad or good house does not make a bad or good builder, but a good or bad builder makes a good or bad house. And in general no work makes the workman such as it is itself; but the workman makes the work such as he is himself. Such is the case, too, with the works of men. Such as the man himself is, whether in faith or in unbelief, such is his work: good if it be done in faith; bad if in unbelief. But the converse is not true that, such as the work is, such the man becomes in faith or in unbelief. For as works do not make a believing man, neither do they make a justified man; but faith, as it makes a man a believer and justified, so also it makes his works good. . . " From "The Freedom of a Christian," Martin Luther
"Whenever the devil harasses you, seek the company of men or drink more, or joke and talk nonsense, or do some other merry thing. Sometimes we must drink more, sport, recreate ourselves, and even sin a little to spite the devil, so that we leave him no place for troubling our consciences with trifles. We are conquered if we try too conscientiously not to sin at all. So when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to." - Martin Luther
Anyway, I'm done with the religious rant. You can cast me into hell yourself for smoking, for vaping or for any other "sinful, lusty, ungodly" pleasures I might have, or you leave it to God's judgment. I'm pretty sure God also doesn't like it when you try take His job away from him and play as if you were Him...
I refer again to the gospel of YouTube:
YouTube - The Best of Bill Hicks
Never take life too seriously. Then it's just hell.
If anything, I still see a great benefit in vaping JUST because of the financial benefit. That alone is enough to justify it. Even if vaping were 75% as dangerous as smoking analogs, I would still be doing it.
Let's be frank about this: government agencies and politicians see nothing here but LOST REVENUE. It's what's really sticking in their craw. They will use ANY ARGUMENT that bypasses scientific fact and whips up public sentiment in order to justify banning it (to allow PM and other analog producers to continue their hegemony) or to justify taxing it if that strategy doesn't work for them.
Either way, the politicians do not want to lose their Big Tobacco cash cow that they use to subsidize further anti-smoking sentiment and legislation.
Let's be frank about this: government agencies and politicians see nothing here but LOST REVENUE. It's what's really sticking in their craw. They will use ANY ARGUMENT that bypasses scientific fact and whips up public sentiment in order to justify banning it (to allow PM and other analog producers to continue their hegemony) or to justify taxing it if that strategy doesn't work for them.
Either way, the politicians do not want to lose their Big Tobacco cash cow that they use to subsidize further anti-smoking sentiment and legislation.
The way I see it. The FDA has no authority to ban e-ciggs in the present or foreseeable future. It is as simple as that, a test has been done and the results though thought to be damning are no higher then any other nicotine delivery system. They can be seized but only because they have been advertised as a cessation device, not as a nicotine delivery device. The FDA is sidestepping current federal laws and enforcing minor infractions by some of the manufacturers.
Bans will take place on a state and city level and only be influenced by the unscientific slander that the FDA has so far produced. If the FDA had evidence that e-liquid was as or more harmful then other tobacco products it would have the authority to ban them. As it stands it does not have the evidence it needs so the tactic is stall and let the states have bans instigated by big pharm and big tobacco. States can pass laws that need only conjecture and not fact while the e-cigg users are still a small minority. If you really want to fight a ban you would best be served doing it at the state level.
Bans will take place on a state and city level and only be influenced by the unscientific slander that the FDA has so far produced. If the FDA had evidence that e-liquid was as or more harmful then other tobacco products it would have the authority to ban them. As it stands it does not have the evidence it needs so the tactic is stall and let the states have bans instigated by big pharm and big tobacco. States can pass laws that need only conjecture and not fact while the e-cigg users are still a small minority. If you really want to fight a ban you would best be served doing it at the state level.
That's exactly what I was thinking. You can't ban the parts and you can make your own liquid. So I'm not too worried about it.
Ban a battery!
They could ban the import of attys........and we all know those things don't last forever. No atty......No vaping.
They can ban the import of attys but they can't stop them from getting here from China.
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Just so I can get this straight.........am I or am I not going to hell for ordering that Xhaler last week?
Yep. but I think I made it too easy...I'll have to think of a better one next time.
-J4mmin
Ahh, back on topic again
I totally agree here: This year, BT paid out 25 billion in settlement funds...it's not huge in the scheme of things, but as broke as most of our country is, I'm not sure losing that money is in the governments' best interest...if BT goes down, they won't see any more of this settlement money.
many "banned " items still make it here from China. I know this for a fact. Don't worry about it too much until they list it as a scheduled substance. Even then stuff still gets through. PM me for specifics.
Okay 14 pages of reading and its finally my turn
Well first off the OP isn't helping this forum by nonchalantly causing wide spread panic in the PV/E-Cig world.. As someone who has grown up and been told many times how much of a Smartass i am or how my words effect the mindset of people I've learned over the years that when you make post like this one without much thought and little care for the easily convinced few you spread negativity without regard to others. Now before someone gets upset i am not saying don't have an opinion i am saying if your opinion is going to spread negativity throughout the forum about our newly found life vest then please keep it to yourself. Because if I was like some people in this world (A majority of them that are trying to ban this product FDA cough cough) I would take your opinion as much more then just what it is.... AN OPINION. Now granted it is there fault but by them taking it that way they might tell their friends hey man don't order those e-cigs you were thinking about getting cause word is they are going to be getting banned soon.. which in turn cause others who could resort to a SAFER method of getting nicotine to continue use of analogs...
If your posting fact and it's negative but its just the ugly truth. That's one thing but when your posting an opinion like this then you really should probably keep it to yourself. We're here to get people going in the right direction not inadvertently trying to scare them off... That is just my feelings on the matter...
Oh and on the FDA's use of flavoring targeting children... Lets all make sure we go to our liquor cabinet and get rid of all our: Jager(licorice flavored) Absolute(Peach,Pear,Strawberry,Melon,Apple,Grape,Mango,Apricot, and other flavored) alcohol just to name a few so kids wont be temped by the flavors also lets rename all our drinks that have kiddy names: Batman, Superman, Incredible Hulk because it just might make kids want to drink!
I think i made my point with those few little tidbits
Well anyway Soap box open for the next soul to hop on and RANT!
Well first off the OP isn't helping this forum by nonchalantly causing wide spread panic in the PV/E-Cig world.. As someone who has grown up and been told many times how much of a Smartass i am or how my words effect the mindset of people I've learned over the years that when you make post like this one without much thought and little care for the easily convinced few you spread negativity without regard to others. Now before someone gets upset i am not saying don't have an opinion i am saying if your opinion is going to spread negativity throughout the forum about our newly found life vest then please keep it to yourself. Because if I was like some people in this world (A majority of them that are trying to ban this product FDA cough cough) I would take your opinion as much more then just what it is.... AN OPINION. Now granted it is there fault but by them taking it that way they might tell their friends hey man don't order those e-cigs you were thinking about getting cause word is they are going to be getting banned soon.. which in turn cause others who could resort to a SAFER method of getting nicotine to continue use of analogs...
If your posting fact and it's negative but its just the ugly truth. That's one thing but when your posting an opinion like this then you really should probably keep it to yourself. We're here to get people going in the right direction not inadvertently trying to scare them off... That is just my feelings on the matter...
Oh and on the FDA's use of flavoring targeting children... Lets all make sure we go to our liquor cabinet and get rid of all our: Jager(licorice flavored) Absolute(Peach,Pear,Strawberry,Melon,Apple,Grape,Mango,Apricot, and other flavored) alcohol just to name a few so kids wont be temped by the flavors also lets rename all our drinks that have kiddy names: Batman, Superman, Incredible Hulk because it just might make kids want to drink!
I think i made my point with those few little tidbits
Well anyway Soap box open for the next soul to hop on and RANT!
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