Was told today by the owner of Honest Vapor that January very well might be the last Month of my vaping enjoyment, which has been going on for 6 years now! I can't even believe that this is happening. I will be on the phone all day tomorrow, and online contacting Washington, from NY. Once again the all mighty dollar, which rules us all collectively, wins on to victory, unless we band together. Peace and love to all....Vic vape
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Glad I have RTAs and mods with removable batterys. It's not set in stone yet. Also there's a thread on this subject a little further down the page, if you wanna join everyone there.
When the owner of "Honest Vapor" talks....
People listen.
Or go here:
CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association
People listen.
Or go here:
CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association
Eyes are being opened! Look at the bright side, a vape shop owner/employee IS involved and letting their customers know! That's better isn't it? More eyes are being opened and people are letting others know...FINALLY! It's still not too late!6 years of disinterest in the vaping community?
Can you imagine where we could be today if all the vape shops would get involved and let their customers know about the fight we are fighting. It's to bad your vape store waited until this late in the fight to let you know what is going on. 
Yep, disappointing the B&Ms AND the online shops didn't do a better job organizing for the fight. There will be a lot of storefronts becoming available in the next couple of years and a lot of dead websites as a result. We as consumers dropped the ball as well though many of us got involved, most did not. It's not too late if we take up a legal fight.Can you imagine where we could be today if all the vape shops would get involved and let their customers know about the fight we are fighting. It's to bad your vape store waited until this late in the fight to let you know what is going on.
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Vape vendors, internet or B&M, still have two years to complete their application to sell. Although the majority of smaller ones will just cut their losses and close as is convenient. (I believe)
But, writing and calling to elected officials, letters to the editor can still change things. Two years IS two years. Keep fighting. Just tell your experience.
But, writing and calling to elected officials, letters to the editor can still change things. Two years IS two years. Keep fighting. Just tell your experience.
At least FDA is not making vaping illegal.
Venders will have to pony up to play.
Pretty bleak for near future..
Venders will have to pony up to play.
Pretty bleak for near future..
It may be that actual hardship will drive vapers to believe there is a problem. We've been in denial for a very long time.
I hate to admit it but I am one of the ones that didn't do a single thing other than grumbling to myself as smokers were being made into or less than second class citizens. I refuse to be that person when it comes to vaping.
I also refuse to be one of the ones that try to demonize smokes and smokers. I see a bit of that here on this forum and in my opinion it is just not right. Most of us used to be a smoker so should understand just how hard it is to quit or for some even to switch.
I also refuse to be one of the ones that try to demonize smokes and smokers. I see a bit of that here on this forum and in my opinion it is just not right. Most of us used to be a smoker so should understand just how hard it is to quit or for some even to switch.
No, the FDA doesn't need to make vaping illegal. The Deeming Regulations will effectively throw any new equipment purchases back into the Stone Age of Vaping, which serves no one except those that will profit from their goods being exempted. Vaping as we know it today will become an underground culture, serviced by a Gray/Black Market. Equipment choices will shrink, costs will soar and quality will drop. Any e-juices you may find will come from possibly questionable sources with God-knows-what for contents. Someone posted a similarity to the Deeming Regulations and Prohibition, and I think that reasonable similarities can be drawn. We will still have products available through secondary channels, just like bathtub gin was available during Prohibition, but it will be of questionable quality and safety.
Vaping is starting to be demonized just as smoking was. Is it 100% safe? No. But it is unquestionably far safer than the alternative. As mattiem pointed out, what serves our collective best interest is not to belittle or look down on smokers, nor to become resigned to becoming second-class citizens because we vape as smokers have done.
It's okay to be outraged by the skewed studies, sensationalistic media reports and misinformed bureaucratic reaction to the perceived hazards of vaping. But what will win the day for us is rational, calm action of pressing those that would enforce Draconian regulations on vaping with our stories and experiences of vaping, and the science that supports vaping as an Harm Reduction alternative to smoking.
Oh God.....I can see it now. There you are, walking down a dark street when suddenly, a shady figure pops out of the alley and says, "Hey buddy....wanna by a mod?" He opens his trench coat and there are hundreds of mods stuck to the inside....
I find it sad showing gratitude for not being treated to the full extent of an authority's displeasure. "King's Mercy" I believe it's called.
Smokers are currently about the only "class" that people are ENCOURAGED to abuse.
Hard-core drug addicts and alcoholics get more love than smokers do.
Unfortunately, the rabid anti smoking campaigners of the last 10-20 years contributed a lot to our problem as vapers. I remember running from them when I was a smoker, as I was worrying about even renting an apartment and not being able to smoke in my own home, or at the beach, or in the park where I walked every day. Or at work.
Since vaping "looks like smoking" it was almost immediately viewed in a negative light.
Vapers in AR haven't been able to order eliquid online in many many months, since the 2 Republicans in AR sponsored and wrote the bills, and our Republican governor passed it.
I don't mind saying this: people really don't direct their attention to things unless it directly affects THEM. I felt rather disappointed when the laws were passed in AR, I started several topics about it and there were like 9 people in the topics "maybe". And then some of the feedback given was stuff like "oh AR is backward, this would NEVER happen in my state!" and stuff like that.
and then blaming vapers in AR because they didn't protest enough or something. then, everybody pretty much forgot about us, as notices popped up on so many vendor sites that they couldn't ship to AR.
Unfortunately, and I found this out during BF and cybermonday sales, that their shopping cart software, and their shipping software can't seem to distinguish between hardware and DIY (which is NOT illegal to ship to AR) and elquid.
So after spending considerable time buildiing my Cart, I found it rejected when I went to check out.I spent a good deal of time on cybermonday, calling all these vendors, and even asking them to place a MANUAL order for me over the phone. Since i wasn't asking them to do anything illegal (and wouldn't, and haven't since that law was passed). Only one of them did, the others couldn't be bothered. I just had to email 2 others today to "explain" the law to them as my order got bounced.
AR is a pretty rural state so unless you live in a large town or city, expect to drive 50+ miles to "find a vape store".
For me, "activism" is also about helping those iimmediately surrounding you. It's easy to provide "lip service" on forums and bash people who don't post more lip service. Why do I say that? There was a total of one person who PMed me that day and said "if you need somebody to place an order then re-ship eliquid to you, let me know."
(Since I have continued to inform people of our situation here more people have said that to me), but the truth is, until it happens to "me" people are busy with their own lives and situations, and I do understand that.
So, despite that it is NOT illegal to ship hardware to AR, I have run into quite a number of problems in the last 6 months due to vendors not knowing what is going on.
AR didn't pass the law because they are backward. As a matter of fact, they were one of the first dominoes to start the other dominoes to start leaning, in other words, even though I'm 100% against what our governor did, everyone else thinks he "got a leg up" on everybody else because he was able to pass this law, and pass it VERY SWIFTLY. That is the opposite of backward
That is called sneaky good (from the perspective of all the states who want the tax money.) Our gov got ducks in a row before anyone else, and will put the tax issue to a vote 2 years after he passed the law....they just want something with a label on it that can be inventoried, put on the shelves, and can be taxed. So, he did get a leg up on all the other states in that respect. I said and have been saying that watching the local and regional bans roll across the nation, and even in other countries, that by the time the FDA gets around to doing anything there won't be much left to do.
I will be voting in the locals and regionals and will not vote R for this reason.....although I'm sure there are plenty enough D's waiting in the wings to do the exact same things
Which is why I keep saying it's not a PARTISAN thing. And believe, as Dr. Farsalinos said, in 2014, that making it into one was misguided. (if you want that quote I can find it for you.)
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