But at least the Washington State indian tribes will make a mint.....Maybe ProVape should move "on reservation"
The end of the Provari??? 95% WA state tax!
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That is a VERY good idea. Might be time for the Native Americans to get into the e-cig business themselves.
That's not even close to the same thing. Ban their use in public state owned facilities is different from taxing it like smokes which will not be as easy to do. Yes it might happen but as I said not as fast as the tax happy states in the northeast, northwest and west. I have 8 years of nic in the freezer, several mechs, and spools of wire, several years worth, just in case.
I simply cannot believe that the Democrats are acting this way towards a device that is saving untold lives across the globe. Here is more of the same ....Feb 12, 2014, Democratic Leaders Urge State Attorneys General to Bring E-Cigarettes Under Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement Democratic Leaders Urge State Attorneys General to Bring E-Cigarettes Under Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement | Committee on Energy and Commerce Democrats
I just read through the bills. ProVape has nothing to worry about, except maybe for their e-juice sales. The definition of tobacco product in the bill would never be upheld if challenged in court...
Calling an electronic device which has the potential to deliver nicotine a tobacco product is laughable.
Calling an electronic device which has the potential to deliver nicotine a tobacco product is laughable.
Perhaps we could agree to stop calling them Republicans and Democrats and call them by their actual names: Oligarchists.
Alternately, Moneycans and Dollarcrats.
Alternately, Moneycans and Dollarcrats.
Its not all the Democrats.
The problem IMO and maybe some of the older posters can back me up on this, is that there has been a subtle shift by the entire country and both political parties to the left in the last 20 years or so.
Many Republicans like McCain, Christie and John Boehner would have been considered Liberal back in Reagans day. Theres a huge difference between radical left and middle of the road and thats why I think youre starting to see some Democrats break from their party now as well.
IMO its the so-called "progressives" we have to worry about on both sides of the fence. There is nothing progressive about them, regressive, degenerate and fascist is more like it.
All of them have the potential, just ask the people who frequent the modders forum.
From a legal standpoint, calling an electronic device which has the potential to deliver nicotine a tobacco product is laughable and would never be upheld in any court- even the 9th District Court of Appeals...
An electronic device will never legally be classified as a tobacco product. That's all that matters as it pertains to ProVape...
Perhaps everyone should just read the bills...
I understand and happen to agree. That was my attempt at a light hearted jest.
They will have a hard time with that one because of what you and I just mentioned.
Are they gonna ban purchases from Radio Shack next?
My old Nintendo controller has the potential to be used as a vaping device with the right amount of know how.
The people who write these bills know better than to think they will pass muster in any court. My guess is they simply want to appeal to constituents, rather than actually pass legislation they know won't be upheld...
I say that I'm in shock about so many Democrats trying to thwart E-cigs and their progress because I am a lifelong Blue-Dog Democrat. This just seems to be the icing on the cake for me...Several major media incidents and high profile trials over the last few years have left me feeling out of touch with my political roots...I'm not pointing fingers or bashing anyones beliefs-I'm simply re-evaluating my own.
its all abought money. they dont care abought nothing but the diamond in the works..i wonder if theres a income increase in the budget for politicians. remember the tea party...we need a e-juice party
how can u tell when a politician is lying......when u see his lips moving
im outraged .....i guess i will continue to stockpile nic there is a local indian res close to me might have to talk to someone there on stocking nic or if they would order if i can nolonger order it online..
how can u tell when a politician is lying......when u see his lips moving
im outraged .....i guess i will continue to stockpile nic there is a local indian res close to me might have to talk to someone there on stocking nic or if they would order if i can nolonger order it online..
If I were a Washington supplier of mods, I'd include a flashlight head with a 510 thread and sell my product as a variable voltage/wattage LED flashlight. So what if it can be used for other purposes. Without juice and atomizers it's just a flashlight.
As many have said, metal parts contain no tobacco and shouldn't be taxed as tobacco products. Are there huge taxes on wooden pipes? I think not. The tax is on the pouch of tobacco sold to be used in the pipe.
As many have said, metal parts contain no tobacco and shouldn't be taxed as tobacco products. Are there huge taxes on wooden pipes? I think not. The tax is on the pouch of tobacco sold to be used in the pipe.
And technically a mech mod isn't even an electronic device, it's an electrical device. Thin line, but a distinct one.
Lol nah she has just learned to tell me to shutup and walk away
Lol I'm not a verbal abuser, I just think its amusing to watch how far people go to prove that thier side of the argument is right, no matter how pointless the topic.
I mean what is the point of proving that your right, when the person youre trying to prove it to thinks youre wrong?
Like for example IMO a ProVari is just an extremely overpriced Vamo, but if I argued that to someone who thinks that the ProVari is the "Best mod ever" the argument would never go anywhere.
We could literally argue all day about the Provari, and at the end of the day I'll still think it's a overpriced vamo and the other person will still think that its "The best mod ever". So what was the point of wasting all that time and effort on an argument THAT CHANGES NOTHING?
Am I the only one that finds that amusing? lol
Only up to 231 stock up on your vaping supplies folks! Stop the bickering and start signing jeeze
stock up on your vaping supplies folks! Stop the bickering and start signing jeeze
Regrettably, ProVape has a LOT to be worried about. That's a crying shame but it is what it is. Respectfully, let me tick off a few issues:
- Litigation takes money and that means ballpark 5 or 6 figures
- Litigation takes time and that could mean years and years
- Employee moral suffers while your business hangs in the balance
- Litigation is often distracting to management. It "eats" at you
- Where does a small business obtain the necessary funds to "fight" in court
- While you are in court your revenue stream takes a large hit because your sales drop given the huge increase in price as currently proposed in this ill advised 75% Wholesale tax. This of course applies to Internet sales AND your B&M sales.
I'm not an attorney but I have experienced many of the issues I noted above. Sometimes and I hope this does not happen, you win the battle but loose the war. This unfortunate series of events should be a lesson/wake up for others in the industry. Organize TODAY and create a trade group, PR folks, get attorney's with political connections, lobby for your own interest BEFORE legislation is proposed. Then your sitting at the table and negotiating.
Finally and perhaps equally important, ---> OP, what can I do to help? I am a resident of Nevada and although I am spreading the word with anyone who will listen, I want to insure that I have covered all my basis.
- Litigation takes money and that means ballpark 5 or 6 figures
- Litigation takes time and that could mean years and years
- Employee moral suffers while your business hangs in the balance
- Litigation is often distracting to management. It "eats" at you
- Where does a small business obtain the necessary funds to "fight" in court
- While you are in court your revenue stream takes a large hit because your sales drop given the huge increase in price as currently proposed in this ill advised 75% Wholesale tax. This of course applies to Internet sales AND your B&M sales.
I'm not an attorney but I have experienced many of the issues I noted above. Sometimes and I hope this does not happen, you win the battle but loose the war. This unfortunate series of events should be a lesson/wake up for others in the industry. Organize TODAY and create a trade group, PR folks, get attorney's with political connections, lobby for your own interest BEFORE legislation is proposed. Then your sitting at the table and negotiating.
Finally and perhaps equally important, ---> OP, what can I do to help? I am a resident of Nevada and although I am spreading the word with anyone who will listen, I want to insure that I have covered all my basis.
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