Get ready folks...

[Ardo]

Here's what we are up to:

We are building a place that aims to get vendors and vapers together to turn vaping world from the Wild West it is today, into a quality space for vapers and people around them.

Participating vendors will address the issues that vaping world faces today through challenges, games and giveaways. The first thing is to find out, which establishment owners allow indoor vaping and which places don't. This benfits us 2 ways:

• We can defend and explain vaping to establishment owners
• We can say to legislators "Hey, we got this one covered. Hands off, please!!"

Around the core we are building a vaper’s epic journey. Besides helping to achieve the kind of legislation e-cigarettes need, vapers will be converting smokers, helping them and fellow vapers with standard issues that new vapers have – withdrawal symptoms, equipment, liquid questions etc. The end goal is to get the world use safer alternatives instead of smoking combustible tobacco products.

A little more time and effort and we’ll be there to show you how all that comes together. In the mean time, we are collecting your vaping stories. If there’s a threat to ban e-cigs in your area, we will create call to action and have your story in a prefilled email ready for you to send to your local office.

So, sign up and SHARE YOUR STORY
www.vapeout.com

VapeOut animation - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D0aQFWKQFw

Cheers,
Ardo

 

[spartanstew]

I believe many places that ban indoor vaping fully understand it (i.e. Starbucks), so I'm not sure what "defending and explaining vaping to establishment owners" will accomplish.

 

[Ardo]

Point is that indoor vaping will be up to establishment owners to decide and vaping will not be treated as tobacco products by law. It's okay if Starbucks feels that they are serving their customers better this way. We need to respect that.

But equalizing e-cigarettes to cancer sticks will hurt the entire vaping world. And the first thing we can do, to not let that happen is to find out which places allow indoor vaping and which places don't, so we can say that hey, there's no need for excessive regulation.

 

[SissySpike]

Seems cool thanks for posting

 

[spartanstew]

Point is that indoor vaping will be up to establishment owners to decide and vaping will not be treated as tobacco products by law. It's okay if Starbucks feels that they are serving their customers better this way. We need to respect that.

But equalizing e-cigarettes to cancer sticks will hurt the entire vaping world.

Agreed.

And the first thing we can do, to not let that happen is to find out which places allow indoor vaping and which places don't, so we can say that hey, there's no need for excessive regulation.

I don't follow. If we know that 25 places (for example) allow vaping in a community (or the country) and 25 places don't, how does that equate to being able to say "we don't need excessive regulation"? Who defines excessive? Who decides which regulations?

 

[Ardo]

Establishment owners should have the right to decide over indoor vaping policy in their places. If a committee of 3 people in your local office decide how everyone in your community should live, even though we have scientific evidence to say that vaping is 99 +/- 1% better than smoking, then I believe that banning vaping on city, county or state level is excessive.

 

[SissySpike]

They decide regulation. They are the type of people who say they are doing whats best for everyone but in most cases they are doing what is best for their idea of Utopia. If you do something they dont like they will try to make rules to stop you. They are not concerned about individuals they only see the world threw their narrow minded controlling ways.

We those who do not agree with they have to stand up to, disregard, and challenge their authority.

 

[spartanstew]

Establishment owners should have the right to decide over indoor vaping policy in their places. If a committee of 3 people in your local office decide how everyone in your community should live, even though we have scientific evidence to say that vaping is 99 +/- 1% better than smoking, then I believe that banning vaping on city, county or state level is excessive.

Yes, I agree with all that too, but I don't see how that relates to identifying which establishments allow vaping and which don't.

 

[OlDogNewTricks]

Most public establishments have poor ventilation systems, at best. Also, the last thing they want to have to deal with is analogers whinging 'Why can that guy...'. It is easier and cheaper for them to simply ban them. I wish they would install adequate systems to deal with the air cleansing loads of the customer capacity of their establishments but without legislation, they aren't going do anything about it. Money talks and there aren't enough vapers in any given area to make a significant impact. Now, if some vaper were to set up an establishment that could attract significant vapers and then franchise to the point where there was a market impact on other public establishments... Sorry, just the facts as I see them.

 

[spartanstew]

Well, as an avid vapor proponent, I wouldn't even want vaping allowed everywhere. Have you been to a vape meet where there's just clouds of vape floating everywhere in the air? I certainly wouldn't want to eat dinner in a place like that, or watch a movie, or many other things - regardless of the health consequences (or lack thereof)

 

[WillyZee]

Although I admire your efforts and ambitious goals ... vaping is not moving indoors on a wide scale ever.

There may be a few Pubs and Cafes that will be OK with and allow vaping ... however, this Industry will never gain the backing where indoor vaping will be approved by the masses.

just my thoughts and opinion

 

[Dave_in_OK]

In today's economy most businesses are looking for anyway to attract new customers; if one could show just cause to allow vaping more businesses would allow it. The first step would be to identify pro-vaping businesses and then document whether or not a change in their bottom-line occurred.

 

[SissySpike]

Can do, or can dont if you sit around and figure out reasons why something can not be done for sure it wont happen. If you do things to try to make it happen there is a chance it could.

Atta boy to the OP for posting another proactive tool!

 

[Dave_in_OK]

Well, as an avid vapor proponent, I wouldn't even want vaping allowed everywhere. Have you been to a vape meet where there's just clouds of vape floating everywhere in the air? I certainly wouldn't want to eat dinner in a place like that, or watch a movie, or many other things - regardless of the health consequences (or lack thereof)

The key here is to allow business owners the choice without government imposed bans. That would then allow you and me to choose whether or not we want to go where vaping is allowed.

 

[Ardo]

Yes, I agree with all that too, but I don't see how that relates to identifying which establishments allow vaping and which don't.

Legislators can do what they want only if we remain ignorant and blind about the need to get involved. If we can show that we are paying attention and focuse on finding out which places allow indoor vaping and which places don't, we can show legislators that we can handle this question ourselves.

This is why we are collecting vaping stories. To prove that there are real people with real stories of improving their lives thanks to e-cigarettes. If there's a threat to ban flavours, mods, indoor vaping or tax heavily, we can send emails through with vapers stories and those who attend these meetings can refer back to VapeOut and say "we got this!"

In this case the right remains with establishment owners and yes, for the rest of the world they still have to put put signs that either allow or forbid from vaping indoors.

 

[Ardo]

Although I admire your efforts and ambitious goals ... vaping is not moving indoors on a wide scale ever.

There may be a few Pubs and Cafes that will be OK with and allow vaping ... however, this Industry will never gain the backing where indoor vaping will be approved by the masses.

just my thoughts and opinion

It's not the goal to get everyone vaping inside. The goal is to keep you your rights to decide over vaping policy in your establishment or house

 

[Dave_in_OK]

It's not the goal to get everyone vaping inside. The goal is to keep you your rights to decide over vaping policy in your establishment or house

Bingo!!!!!

 

[SissySpike]

Well, as an avid vapor proponent, I wouldn't even want vaping allowed everywhere. Have you been to a vape meet where there's just clouds of vape floating everywhere in the air? I certainly wouldn't want to eat dinner in a place like that, or watch a movie, or many other things - regardless of the health consequences (or lack thereof)

Thats why you can look for vape friendly restaurants and not go there, But others may enjoy this kind of place so why should they not exist? If vapors are a minority then it will stand to reason vape friendly establishments will be less than those that aren't. But it should be up to the owner not the regulatory boards of city's, county's, states and gooberment.

 

[Ardo]

The key here is to allow business owners the choice without government imposed bans. That would then allow you and me to choose whether or not we want to go where vaping is allowed.

YES YES. Not every business is a family restaurant or a diner. The point is that you know the best what goes on in your establishment and whether you allow vaping indoor or not.

 

[Mark Anthony]

I like what you are setting out to do but in all honesty, it probably won't work in getting people to accept it. I just vape where I can and follow the rules where it's not allowed. No need to ruffle feathers.