Get ready folks...

[Talyon]

Just want to say and yes this is dramatic, but I'm glad my Dad was proactive when he fought and died for my freedoms, being pessimistic
Is ok to point out certain failures that we can learn by and overcome. I for one choose to help in anyway I can to be proactive I hope many more here feel the same way.

There can be middle grounds for all Vapers, and the rest of the world.

OP I say a big Thank-You to you for trying and not simply following blindly to what any ANTZ may believe is better. If we sit and simply do nothing then nothing well happen, let's be as proactive as possible.

 

[klynnn]

I for one would frequent places that allow my vaping. At this point I don't know if would be feasible on the cost basis for a business unless maybe a bar.

 

[Recycled Roadkill]

There is no law regarding smoking cigarettes indoors in Garland, TX. At this time it's up to the establishment owner to determine whether smoking is allowed or not. One chain restaurant (they're all over the country) dediced that their restaurant would become a non-smoking establishment although for years previous to their decision their was the usual smoking area next to their bar.

My response to this change was that I can go anywhere to eat that doesn't allow smoking. They don't get the business they used to from me, anyhow and I doubt this change increased their business at all.

Anyway, It would be nice if establishments would place a 3" X 3" sticker showing whether they're vape friendly or not and I would surely spend more of my money in those places that are vape friendly.

Hopefully this movement will help get things going in that direction. I do believe it's coming but who knows how soon. But anyway, a positive attitude will certainly be better than any negitivity would bring.

 

[Robino1]

There is no law regarding smoking cigarettes indoors in Garland, TX. At this time it's up to the establishment owner to determine whether smoking is allowed or not. One chain restaurant (they're all over the country) dediced that their restaurant would become a non-smoking establishment although for years previous to their decision their was the usual smoking area next to their bar.

My response to this change was that I can go anywhere to eat that doesn't allow smoking. They don't get the business they used to from me, anyhow and I doubt this change increased their business at all.

Anyway, It would be nice if establishments would place a 3" X 3" sticker showing whether they're vape friendly or not and I would surely spend more of my money in those places that are vape friendly.

Hopefully this movement will help get things going in that direction. I do believe it's coming but who knows how soon. But anyway, a positive attitude will certainly be better than any negitivity would bring.

You can get stickers, that you could hand out to vape friendly establishments, off the CASAA website. Take a few to places that you like and start a conversation. Proactive activism at its finest

 

[Dave_in_OK]

I stopped eating out when they imposed bans in my area. Although some since then have added smoking areas due to the loss of customers I've had no desire to eat out. If a vape friendly restaurant was to open I would definitely want to show my support by eating there and might actually get me back in the habit. I know the wife would love it; that is me wanting to go out

 

[MD_Boater]

Although I admire your efforts and ambitious goals ... vaping is not moving indoors on a wide scale ever.

There may be a few Pubs and Cafes that will be OK with and allow vaping ... however, this Industry will never gain the backing where indoor vaping will be approved by the masses.

just my thoughts and opinion

I would disagree with this based on the fact that more and more people will know people who have quit smoking via transitioning to vaping as time goes on. Many of my family members and friends have never heard of vaping before I showed them. Most were only vaguely familiar with eCigs (the cigalike kind), and had never seen an EVOD twist battery or a mini protank 2. They don't think of it as an eCig. I simply tell them that it is a vaporizer. At any rate, EVERY one of them would rather see me vaping instead of smoking. To them, it is a good thing. When I explain that I can control exactly what goes in to the tank and that I plan to just keep lowering the nic at my own pace, they think it is fabulous. For every person that switches to vaping, there are a large numbers of people that are first hand witnesses as to how effective it reallty is. WE are the reason that they already haven't banned it. A lot of people have already quit the cigs by turning to vaping. A lot of people know that it works. It will become more difficult as time goes on to sell the story that vaping is not helpful in getting people to stop smoking. Once enough non smoking / non vaping people meet enough of us who have quit smoking via vaping, that dog won't hunt any more.

I feel like driving down to the State House, grabbing the nearest anti-eCig state representative that I can find, and asking him to let me help save the life on someone he or she loves. I'm sure that someone that they care about smokes. I'd tell them to pick the time and date of when they want that person to stop smoking. If that person really wants to quit, I'd meet them an hour or two before that time and set them up with some mid range vaping gear (twist batteries, EVOD tanks, mini protanks - simple, easy to use stuff), and make them smoke their last stinky 10 minutes out. Then, I would register them on ECF, and CSAA, and let keep in touch with them for a few weeks.

If we could do this with a congressman and senator from every state, I think the war would be won. Hmmm... The more I think about it... I wonder if CSAA should try this at the local and state level as a test. How could anyone refuse to let someone help save the life of someone that they love? Given the high success rate, I think it would be helpful to our cause...

 

[Dave_in_OK]

I feel like driving down to the State House, grabbing the nearest anti-eCig state representative that I can find, and asking him to let me help save the life on someone he or she loves. I'm sure that someone that they care about smokes. I'd tell them to pick the time and date of when they want that person to stop smoking. If that person really wants to quit, I'd meet them an hour or two before that time and set them up with some mid range vaping gear (twist batteries, EVOD tanks, mini protanks - simple, easy to use stuff), and make them smoke their last stinky 10 minutes out. Then, I would register them on ECF, and CSAA, and let keep in touch with them for a few weeks.

If we could do this with a congressman and senator from every state, I think the war would be won. Hmmm... The more I think about it... I wonder if CSAA should try this at the local and state level as a test. How could anyone refuse to let someone help save the life of someone that they love? Given the high success rate, I think it would be helpful to our cause...

I don't know if CASAA would or not but I do have a few spare eGos and Clearos and I can't think of a better use for them!

 

[klynnn]

From what I see in DC you better have a lot of the green stuff when you approach anyone as that is all they seem to understand.

 

[spartanstew]

Anyway, It would be nice if establishments would place a 3" X 3" sticker showing whether they're vape friendly or not and I would surely spend more of my money in those places that are vape friendly.

But there's the rub, how many people wouldn't go because they were vape friendly? What would it cost them? As I mentioned before, I vape, but I have no interest in going in a restaurant that's pro vaping (I tried to avoid smoking restaurants when I smoked too). I can go an hour without vaping and don't want to be surrounded by vape clouds. I'm sure many non-vapors feel the same way. There are other establishments I might frequent more if they allowed vaping, but not a restaurant (among others). Vaping indoors is a totally different type of regulation.

 

[spartanstew]

I would disagree with this based on the fact that more and more people will know people who have quit smoking via transitioning to vaping as time goes on. Many of my family members and friends have never heard of vaping before I showed them. Most were only vaguely familiar with eCigs (the cigalike kind), and had never seen an EVOD twist battery or a mini protank 2. They don't think of it as an eCig. I simply tell them that it is a vaporizer. At any rate, EVERY one of them would rather see me vaping instead of smoking. To them, it is a good thing. When I explain that I can control exactly what goes in to the tank and that I plan to just keep lowering the nic at my own pace, they think it is fabulous. For every person that switches to vaping, there are a large numbers of people that are first hand witnesses as to how effective it reallty is. WE are the reason that they already haven't banned it. A lot of people have already quit the cigs by turning to vaping. A lot of people know that it works. It will become more difficult as time goes on to sell the story that vaping is not helpful in getting people to stop smoking. Once enough non smoking / non vaping people meet enough of us who have quit smoking via vaping, that dog won't hunt any more.

Yes, but none of that has anything to do with the post you quoted - vaping indoors in restaurants and such.

 

[MD_Boater]

I think they are directly related to the OPs statement.

I quoted his whole post, but I stated my disagreement with his last statement, "however, this Industry will never gain the backing where indoor vaping will be approved by the masses.".

I gave specific reasons why the general population would back vaping (indoors or anywhere else), based on their first person witness status.

The second part was speculation that the political establishment might be convinced to back vaping (indoors or out), via introducing them to the same situation that cause my own family and friends to become vape friendly.

 

[WillyZee]

I would disagree with this based on the fact that more and more people will know people who have quit smoking via transitioning to vaping as time goes on. Many of my family members and friends have never heard of vaping before I showed them. Most were only vaguely familiar with eCigs (the cigalike kind), and had never seen an EVOD twist battery or a mini protank 2. They don't think of it as an eCig. I simply tell them that it is a vaporizer. At any rate, EVERY one of them would rather see me vaping instead of smoking. To them, it is a good thing. When I explain that I can control exactly what goes in to the tank and that I plan to just keep lowering the nic at my own pace, they think it is fabulous. For every person that switches to vaping, there are a large numbers of people that are first hand witnesses as to how effective it reallty is. WE are the reason that they already haven't banned it. A lot of people have already quit the cigs by turning to vaping. A lot of people know that it works. It will become more difficult as time goes on to sell the story that vaping is not helpful in getting people to stop smoking. Once enough non smoking / non vaping people meet enough of us who have quit smoking via vaping, that dog won't hunt any more.

I feel like driving down to the State House, grabbing the nearest anti-eCig state representative that I can find, and asking him to let me help save the life on someone he or she loves. I'm sure that someone that they care about smokes. I'd tell them to pick the time and date of when they want that person to stop smoking. If that person really wants to quit, I'd meet them an hour or two before that time and set them up with some mid range vaping gear (twist batteries, EVOD tanks, mini protanks - simple, easy to use stuff), and make them smoke their last stinky 10 minutes out. Then, I would register them on ECF, and CSAA, and let keep in touch with them for a few weeks.

If we could do this with a congressman and senator from every state, I think the war would be won. Hmmm... The more I think about it... I wonder if CSAA should try this at the local and state level as a test. How could anyone refuse to let someone help save the life of someone that they love? Given the high success rate, I think it would be helpful to our cause...

basically what I was saying was ... even if you converted every smoker onto vaping, and educated all the rest of the people on eCigs ... we are never being invited back inside to vape.

There will be a few places that may allow it ... however, everywhere else will stick with vaping regulated to outdoors.

 

[spartanstew]

I think they are directly related to the OPs statement.

I quoted his whole post, but I stated my disagreement with his last statement, "however, this Industry will never gain the backing where indoor vaping will be approved by the masses.".

I gave specific reasons why the general population would back vaping (indoors or anywhere else), based on their first person witness status.

The second part was speculation that the political establishment might be convinced to back vaping (indoors or out), via introducing them to the same situation that cause my own family and friends to become vape friendly.

There's a huge difference between backing vaping (knowing the benefits, encouraging smokers to vape, etc.) and allowing vaping indoors in restaurants and such.

 

[SissySpike]

Sams Steak house in ST Louis has a rather large smoking section. They have some of the best prime rib you will ever get. They are always full. The County Line BBQ in San Antonio has a smoking section and they are always full. I think if you have good food people will come vaping or not. Most people are indifferent the minority is the ANTZ minded and the I will only go there if they are vape friendly type of person.

I have been to several restaurants and asked if it was OK to vape and they said it was ok ya know what everyone dd not run screaming to the door, no one refused to pay their check in fact nobody payed me any mind.

 

[Anjaffm]

I stopped eating out when they imposed bans in my area. Although some since then have added smoking areas due to the loss of customers I've had no desire to eat out. If a vape friendly restaurant was to open I would definitely want to show my support by eating there and might actually get me back in the habit.

Same here.
First the introduction of the Euro currency in Jan 2002 - which many establishments in Germany took as a great opportunity to increase their prices to ridiculous levels - and then the smoking ban, those thing together meant: Anja out. And a lot of my friends out as well.

Since then, we prefer to consume food and drink at home, inviting each other in turn. With an overnight stay at the friends' house, eliminating the problem "drink OR drive". 100% satisfactory. Except for the dining / drinking establishments. Their problem. Not mine.

 

[Dave_in_OK]

Same here.
First the introduction of the Euro currency in Jan 2002 - which many establishments in Germany took as a great opportunity to increase their prices to ridiculous levels - and then the smoking ban, those thing together meant: Anja out. And a lot of my friends out as well.

Since then, we prefer to consume food and drink at home, inviting each other in turn. With an overnight stay at the friends' house, eliminating the problem "drink OR drive". 100% satisfactory. Except for the dining / drinking establishments. Their problem. Not mine.

Yes those were drastic changes! I lived in Germany from 1985 -1992 and I longed to get back there but when I returned in 2004 everything had changed and not for the better IMO. The last time I flew through Germany I couldn't even enjoy a beer with a smoke.

 

[MD_Boater]

Since then, we prefer to consume food and drink at home, inviting each other in turn. With an overnight stay at the friends' house, eliminating the problem "drink OR drive". 100% satisfactory. Except for the dining / drinking establishments. Their problem. Not mine.

Exactly what we did last night. Dinner, drink, card playing... Some non-vaping restaurant lost out on a $180 check last night.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I have been to several restaurants and asked if it was OK to vape and they said it was ok ya know what everyone dd not run screaming to the door, no one refused to pay their check in fact nobody payed me any mind.

Since then, we prefer to consume food and drink at home, inviting each other in turn. With an overnight stay at the friends' house, eliminating the problem "drink OR drive". 100% satisfactory. Except for the dining / drinking establishments. Their problem. Not mine.

Well, as an avid vapor proponent, I wouldn't even want vaping allowed everywhere. Have you been to a vape meet where there's just clouds of vape floating everywhere in the air? I certainly wouldn't want to eat dinner in a place like that, or watch a movie, or many other things - regardless of the health consequences (or lack thereof)

The short answer…No. I've visited vape user meet ups and vape shops crowded with active vapers. Never encountered clouds of "hanging" vapors. Defies physics unless it's purposefully staged. I vape constantly, everywhere. Seldom is it even noticed. But once in countless forays have I ever been challenged for "smoking". I politely explained I wasn't and went about my business at that venue. I am not purposefully blatant, nor invading anyone's space when I do. And first and foremost, I am not a criminal. So I do not cower like one. And with each inquisitive look I seize the opportunity to respond with informed interest and concern. To this I attribute that I've been shown nothing but polite understanding to downright interest, even gratitude, for pursuing this alternative. It is this in great part, I believe, which shapes our dilemma — what we project. We must not be ambiguous nor conflicted; but, advocates for our equally deserved preferences.

There's a ready made answer to educating public establishments — economics. We are already a significant market share. Or there wouldn't be the powerful interests at work eager to regulate us and the industry. Vote with your wallet. Make it known. To merchants, family, friends and all who will listen. Not with our dollars. Not this time. They are our brothers, sisters, best friends, wives and lovers. Our natural allies who care. Who want our companionship and business. These are not the regulators who are influencing merchants through the intimidation of regulation or threatening us with abolition in public spaces we all pay for. They do not.

Just sayin'.

Good luck!

 

[Uma]

You can get stickers, that you could hand out to vape friendly establishments, off the CASAA website. Take a few to places that you like and start a conversation. Proactive activism at its finest

I need to pick some of those babies up. Thanks for the suggestion!
I'm like many others, who preferred to stay home than to shop in towns that treated me worse than a dog tied up in the rain. I shopped online, watched DVD & YT, etc, and only went out once or twice a year. I never had a problem vaping in stealth mode in a restaurant, but is always feared the worse after being so persecuted during the previous years of smoking. I would make a special trip just to hand these out, and I would buy a cup of coffee or piece of pie at every single one who accepted it with joy. I would then make an effort to make these establishments my haunts. I would be proud to shop like a proud American at an American place of business.
I would need flyers from establishments, sent to my mailbox, to tell me I can come out to play, as it is now, because I don't go anywhere and I wouldn't know if they had a vaping welcome sign or not. I so need to get out more. I've become quite the hermit!

The short answer…No. I've visited vape user meet ups and vape shops crowded with active vapers. Never encountered clouds of "hanging" vapors. Defies physics unless it's purposefully staged. I vape constantly, everywhere. Seldom is it even noticed. But once in countless forays have I ever been challenged for "smoking". I politely explained I wasn't and went about my business at that venue. I am not purposefully blatant, nor invading anyone's space when I do. And first and foremost, I am not a criminal. So I do not cower like one. And with each inquisitive look I seize the opportunity to respond with informed interest and concern. To this I attribute that I've been shown nothing but polite understanding to downright interest, even gratitude, for pursuing this alternative. It is this in great part, I believe, part of our dilemma — what we project. We must not be ambiguous nor conflicted; but, advocates for our equally deserved preferences.

There's a ready made answer to educating public establishments — economics. We are already a significant market share. Or there wouldn't be the powerful interests at work eager to regulate us and the industry. Vote with your wallet. Make it known. To merchants, family, friends and all who will listen. Not with our dollars. Not this time. They are our brothers, sisters, best friends, wives and lovers. Our natural allies who care. Who want our companionship and business. These are not the regulators who are influencing merchants through the intimidation of regulation or threatening us with abolition in public spaces we all pay for. They do not.

Just sayin'.

Good luck!

+1~! Along with the other beautiful posts here in this thread that stands up for what is right, such as the right to not be persecuted.

 

[Ardo]

A final note about this conversation - I saw many different opinions. One is no better than the other. And that's the point we are making in VapeOut.

Each and everyone of you should have the right to determine the rules of vaping in your house, business, establishment. We should not roll over and hand that right to government officials, who know absolutely nothing about you. You and only you know the best, who are your customers/visitors/guests, who visit your establishment. So again, VapeOut is fighting for your right to determine the rules of vaping in your house.

I will keep you posted.

Cheers guys