Getting back into vaping
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A different form of the nicotine compound. The biggest difference you would noticed is significantly reduced throat hit from higher nicotine levels.
It's freebase nicotine, converted by a variety of acids (citric, malic, benzoic) into a different form of nicotine. It is much less harsh, and almost 0 throat hit. You can buy premade or DIY form (I use Nicotine River's nic salts). Because of the lack of harshness, there are some rather high nic nic salts out there these days, (I guess the highest I've seen would be the Juul pods, at 50 mg/ml) and they are of more use if one is sensitive to nic harshness or want a higher nic level.
You can use them in any device just at the correct nic level. You can say, sub0hm nic salts at 6 mg/ml although I'm not sure of the usefulness of that, really, given how low 6 m.g. is. I started with nic salts DIY early on as my throat was a torn up mess when I got here. I DIY at 18 mg/ml.
Mixed reports on absorption, some say they are absorbed faster although I was told recently that is not the case. I'd say perhaps it may depend on how the freebase nic was converted, honestly, and I don't have much to offer on that other than, if you want to try nic salts, do keep an eye out for nic overload, especially at high percentages (yawning, nausea, hiccups, fatigue, light headedness, dizziness, etc.) They may or may not be slightly more bioavailable it seems.
It's possible to convert freebase to nic salts if desired, there is a thread on it somewhere, most folks seem to be using citric acid, and it becomes a matter of getting the Ph balance right.
Hope any of this was helpful.
Anna
You can use them in any device just at the correct nic level. You can say, sub0hm nic salts at 6 mg/ml although I'm not sure of the usefulness of that, really, given how low 6 m.g. is. I started with nic salts DIY early on as my throat was a torn up mess when I got here. I DIY at 18 mg/ml.
Mixed reports on absorption, some say they are absorbed faster although I was told recently that is not the case. I'd say perhaps it may depend on how the freebase nic was converted, honestly, and I don't have much to offer on that other than, if you want to try nic salts, do keep an eye out for nic overload, especially at high percentages (yawning, nausea, hiccups, fatigue, light headedness, dizziness, etc.) They may or may not be slightly more bioavailable it seems.
It's possible to convert freebase to nic salts if desired, there is a thread on it somewhere, most folks seem to be using citric acid, and it becomes a matter of getting the Ph balance right.
Hope any of this was helpful.
Anna
Instead of starting a new thread about the juice I will ask here as you all seem to know what your talking about.
I would be around 18mg Nic
What would you recommend for running in the Eleaf iStick Pico 21700 with ELLO Kit?
Looks like it comes with a .3 ohm and .25 ohm head Looks like common replacements are .2 and .3
Would also be buying a Innokin Zenith tank and possibly a
Smok TFV12 PRINCE Tank
Just not sure with all this new stuff on best pg/vg ratios and this whole salt thing LOL
Are there any Juices to stay away from?
I used to buy my juice as 18mg nic and either 50/50 or 70/30 from Mt. Baker Vapor
I would be around 18mg Nic
What would you recommend for running in the Eleaf iStick Pico 21700 with ELLO Kit?
Looks like it comes with a .3 ohm and .25 ohm head Looks like common replacements are .2 and .3
Would also be buying a Innokin Zenith tank and possibly a
Smok TFV12 PRINCE Tank
Just not sure with all this new stuff on best pg/vg ratios and this whole salt thing LOL
Are there any Juices to stay away from?
I used to buy my juice as 18mg nic and either 50/50 or 70/30 from Mt. Baker Vapor
Well, that's a fairly low resistance coil, and you may require more wattage. That tank (and the Smok prince tank) are really more in the sub0hm range, so if you are looking at that type of coil and wattage, I would suggest a higher VG juice (although really that is partially preference, there are sub0hm vapers who use a 50/50 ratio, or even less p.g. I'd say 18 nic may be too high for sub0hm tanks, honestly, I'd consider starting at 9. Or even less. If it's unsatisfying you can always bump up your nic.
The Zenith tank is really a MTL setup, and even with the 0.8 coil you are going really only very slightly sub0hm. That can still be vaped in a MTL fashion, so if you desire trying out nic salts at 18 mg/ml, well, you can probably purchase some premade nic salts at or around that level. I'm PG sensitive so I can't give you a ton of personal advice about PG/VG ratios other than to say that 50/50 seems to me to be a reasonable place to start, again you can play with your ratios if 50/50 doesn't suit. You could certainly try a nic salt vape, although honestly, unless you have a very, very hard time handling nicotine's harshness, it may be equally fine to just use freebase nicotine, depending on your nicotine tolerance. Either would work and would be easy to obtain I'd think. But, if you try nic salts, I'd probably reserve them for your MTL tank. They are more expensive, and (IMHO) there really is no reason to use nic salts in those devices, unless you want to DIY nicotine, and just buy one kind of nic and etc.
You do pay a premium for nic salts, even if you DIY, they are overall more expensive. Most DIY outfits will sell you a sample of nic salts for the cost of shipping, so if you want to try it out inexpensively and have a bit more control over your ingredients, you could get some with little initial outlay, and just buy eliquids that you enjoy but with 0 nic, and then add your own. If that's overwhelming, well, sample some ready to vape nic salt juices and see how you like them.
I just opened a 100 mg/ml nic liter of nic salts, but the latter part of my stash is actually freebase. Since my throat has recovered, I may try returning to regular nic salts, as I'm currently using juice I won at 18 mg/ml regular freebase and having no issues, if it works out, it will be nice not to need to convert them.
Best of luck,
Anna
The Zenith tank is really a MTL setup, and even with the 0.8 coil you are going really only very slightly sub0hm. That can still be vaped in a MTL fashion, so if you desire trying out nic salts at 18 mg/ml, well, you can probably purchase some premade nic salts at or around that level. I'm PG sensitive so I can't give you a ton of personal advice about PG/VG ratios other than to say that 50/50 seems to me to be a reasonable place to start, again you can play with your ratios if 50/50 doesn't suit. You could certainly try a nic salt vape, although honestly, unless you have a very, very hard time handling nicotine's harshness, it may be equally fine to just use freebase nicotine, depending on your nicotine tolerance. Either would work and would be easy to obtain I'd think. But, if you try nic salts, I'd probably reserve them for your MTL tank. They are more expensive, and (IMHO) there really is no reason to use nic salts in those devices, unless you want to DIY nicotine, and just buy one kind of nic and etc.
You do pay a premium for nic salts, even if you DIY, they are overall more expensive. Most DIY outfits will sell you a sample of nic salts for the cost of shipping, so if you want to try it out inexpensively and have a bit more control over your ingredients, you could get some with little initial outlay, and just buy eliquids that you enjoy but with 0 nic, and then add your own. If that's overwhelming, well, sample some ready to vape nic salt juices and see how you like them.
I just opened a 100 mg/ml nic liter of nic salts, but the latter part of my stash is actually freebase. Since my throat has recovered, I may try returning to regular nic salts, as I'm currently using juice I won at 18 mg/ml regular freebase and having no issues, if it works out, it will be nice not to need to convert them.
Best of luck,
Anna
It's because you are getting a ton more vapor per puff. Typically (depending on how low) many folks are using 3 or 6 mg/ml in their tanks. Although all the vapor is not absorbed it is a big enough difference that (unless you want to take two puffs an hour or something, although if you go too high on the nic, you will feel it. You will probably cough and choke, and that is because your body just can't handle being hit with all that nicotine at once.
I mean, let's say you're vaping a 0.3 coil, and satisfactory vapor production occurs at 50--70 watts, that is a quite different situation than running a much higher resistance level, and getting less vapor per inhale, well, at that point you can safely raise your nicotine level to much higher, as you absorb less per inhale.
If you are ordering both types of tanks, you will quickly find out what the difference is like. I showed up at ECF with a very sub0hm setup and vaping 12 m.g. nic. It was exactly the opposite of what I needed, I prefer smaller MTL tanks with a higher nic level.
With that said, lots of folks enjoy BOTH types of vaping, so I'm not trying to discourage you from sub0hm vaping, I'm just trying to explain the difference between them and the rationale for lower nic in sub0hm setups. It's a very different kind of experience.
Anna
I mean, let's say you're vaping a 0.3 coil, and satisfactory vapor production occurs at 50--70 watts, that is a quite different situation than running a much higher resistance level, and getting less vapor per inhale, well, at that point you can safely raise your nicotine level to much higher, as you absorb less per inhale.
If you are ordering both types of tanks, you will quickly find out what the difference is like. I showed up at ECF with a very sub0hm setup and vaping 12 m.g. nic. It was exactly the opposite of what I needed, I prefer smaller MTL tanks with a higher nic level.
With that said, lots of folks enjoy BOTH types of vaping, so I'm not trying to discourage you from sub0hm vaping, I'm just trying to explain the difference between them and the rationale for lower nic in sub0hm setups. It's a very different kind of experience.
Anna
Lots of great ideas so far. And you’re right, a lot has changed. Since it has been a long time for you, starting back at mtl might be a better choice for now, it’ll feel more familiar I think.
You could always do that Pico Kit and grab a mtl tank to go with it, and put the subohm away for when you’re ready. Just a thought.
Either way, gear is much more reliable these days, coils are lasting longer with a good prime, and even internal batteries have gotten better.
I think you’ll be okay with anything you mentioned, or any others suggested. I’ve bought a little of everything lately, and not a lame duck in the bunch.
Good luck!
You could always do that Pico Kit and grab a mtl tank to go with it, and put the subohm away for when you’re ready. Just a thought.
Either way, gear is much more reliable these days, coils are lasting longer with a good prime, and even internal batteries have gotten better.
I think you’ll be okay with anything you mentioned, or any others suggested. I’ve bought a little of everything lately, and not a lame duck in the bunch.
Good luck!
Hey now! Just wanted to say this thread has been so helpful for me and thanks to all who have responded. I started vaping a while ago and went back to smoking cigarettes due to ease. Left cigs about 6-7 weeks ago and back to vaping only and playing the ego style vape (what I was used to from before) but looking for a better alternative for MTL vaping with better battery longevity. I have tried DTL / sub ohm and while I am able to do that with some herbs not able to make the switch with nicotine. Strange I know but it is what it is.
Again great thread THANKS to all and I just ordered a MTL tank that was suggested. You guys are truly the best.
Again great thread THANKS to all and I just ordered a MTL tank that was suggested. You guys are truly the best.
Im learning a lot, Thank you all. I am going to order the Zenith tank so I am not only stuck with subohm but I will try it both ways
Hey there I'm coming back as well and I'm still a dual user. Anyways I have a gen 3 and it is a beast. A small Beast though it's produces up to 300 watts and takes 3 batteries. I also have a reuleaux RX Mini self contained battery fires up to 80 Watts fits in my pocket and truthfully I use it more than the Gen 3 however I really like them both. I like the way the RX series feels in my hand and I have added a silicone case to each of them ordered from Jojo. Makes them both very sturdy and durable. Really really like the RX mini though.
So With the Zenith tank, is it ok to run the higher vg and lower nic with the 1.6ohm coil?
You'd actually want to do that with the 0.8 coil, I'd think. The 1.6 resistance is more suited to high nic, MTL vaping, although 0.8 is not exactly super sub0hm.
You can run almost any combination with any tank, provided you aren't getting nic sick. I was running close to max VG in a Nautilus 2 when I started. I am PG sensitive. I now add distilled water to thin the vape and decrease gunking. But there is no "magic" ratio that will or won't work. Higher VG will gunk more quickly on a MTL coil, they are really "designed" for thinner liquids. But, you don't HAVE to you can certainly do so, just, coil life may suffer a bit.
You can also use whatever level of nicotine you desire, but too low in a MTL tank may (or may no) be satisfying to you.
When you get your tanks, I'd suggest doing some experimenting with what works best, although if it's high VG, the good news is the Zenith coils are really well constructed and seem to last a long time, so if any tank can handle slightly gunkier vapes, I'd say it would be that one.
I hope I'm being clear, if not, keep asking questions until you feel you understand
Anna
You can run almost any combination with any tank, provided you aren't getting nic sick. I was running close to max VG in a Nautilus 2 when I started. I am PG sensitive. I now add distilled water to thin the vape and decrease gunking. But there is no "magic" ratio that will or won't work. Higher VG will gunk more quickly on a MTL coil, they are really "designed" for thinner liquids. But, you don't HAVE to you can certainly do so, just, coil life may suffer a bit.
You can also use whatever level of nicotine you desire, but too low in a MTL tank may (or may no) be satisfying to you.
When you get your tanks, I'd suggest doing some experimenting with what works best, although if it's high VG, the good news is the Zenith coils are really well constructed and seem to last a long time, so if any tank can handle slightly gunkier vapes, I'd say it would be that one.
I hope I'm being clear, if not, keep asking questions until you feel you understand
Anna
Just received the innokin zenith mtl tank in the mail today and I believe I found my game changer. Thanks to you all for the great suggestions on this thread!! I am now wanting to buy another and also get a Vaporesso revenger 220w to go with the tank. Thinking I will get even more battery life. Again, great to come to this forum. You all are awesome.
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