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stilljd

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Guys and Gals,

Thank you for the advice and info. I'm way ahead of where I'd be on my own. Strangely enough, despite haveing read several days worth fo FAQ's and threads, I'm starting to get an idea of what this is all about.

It looks like, for me, an ego type VP is where I am headed first. E-power or the big Riva/KGO. That should work at home. Smaller versions of the same for work and out around the town. It's OK if I scew up and don't start with the perfect VP for me, maybe ? If your substituting for a $3M a year habit you got some wiggle room on money spent.

I do have a couple of off the wall questions though. I think I know the answers, but there was a very good reason I approached this forum in the first place (I'm not as smart as sometimes I think I am).

If I screw up and pick the totally wrong thing - is it going to jeopordize the outcome?

Something in a car? Are there VP's that just don't work while driving?

You will never know how much I appreciate that you would share your knowledge and experience. From what I've read, you know how important this can be for folks. Long journey ahead. Probably starts tomorrow.

Jim S.
 

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If I screw up and pick the totally wrong thing - is it going to jeopordize the outcome?

Something in a car? Are there VP's that just don't work while driving?

Nope, I don't think it will jeopardize the outcome. You'll get a feel of your likes and dislikes over the course of this journey and know if you need to make changes or not.

I've never had a problem with any pv while driving. Just be comfortable with the device before you drive and vape.

I think you're off to a good start and have a great mindset about this.
 

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stilljkd please please please please please don't be one of those that won't use something that doesn't look like a cigarette outside the house. You're going to get some attention no matter what you vape in public. If it looks like a cigarette, it's almost always negative attention. People don't like it and complain to the management. That poisons the water for the rest of us. I know it's counter intuitive but, if you vape something that looks like a cigarette people think you are smoking. Vape something that doesn't look like a cigarette and they are intrigued.

And it's PVs. (Personal Vaporizer). :)

As for the car, as long as you're not dripping, just about everything works. Just don't forget and throw it out the window. :) I've used all kinds of outlandish looking mods while driving and I've never been pulled over which is probably what you're worried about. The worst thing that happened to me in that regard, is on a 10 hour drive I had a car load of young men pull up beside me and give me thumbs up. I was vaping the one on the right at the time:

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It looks like, for me, an ego type VP is where I am headed first. E-power or the big Riva/KGO. That should work at home. Smaller versions of the same for work and out around the town. It's OK if I scew up and don't start with the perfect VP for me, maybe ? If your substituting for a $3M a year habit you got some wiggle room on money spent.

You can't go wrong with the e-Power or even the kGo. I think you'll find that the 14650 sized e-Power and the kGo are not too large for around town and at work. Think the size of a Sharpie Marker pen. If you want something even smaller, don't even bother with a cigarette looking thing. Besides the issues that the Rat brought up, those small batteries are the most likely to leave you stranded when you least expect it. Batteries begin to hold their charges for shorter and shorter periods of time. That's the nature of batteries. One day, even if you have one of those silly charging cases, you will be away from home. You will look down at your dying battery and you will be horrified at the realization that you just put the other one in the charging case a half hour ago. Battery life of mini-cigs is probably the single biggest thing that has sent new vapers in search of a pack of smokes. If you absoultely must have something even smaller than a kgo or e-Power, there are quality mods with small form factors that take batteries of 900-1000mah. You can always tuck a spare battery somewhere if you'll be away for a long time. Personally, I went for a couple years with nothing but a PV called a Baby Bullet. It's now my backup unit and I expect I could bequeath it to my great grandchildren. It's just that reliable and indestructible. It fits in the palm of my hand and delivers an honest 3.7V every time, without fail, even after being run over by a truck. You can see it at altsmoke.com. It's the smaller version of the Silver Bullet and you will never find a bad thing said, or a bad review about either one of these PVs.


If I screw up and pick the totally wrong thing - is it going to jeopordize the outcome?

Something in a car? Are there VP's that just don't work while driving?

It could, if you really screw up and get something with an unreliable battery life or a bad built-in juice delivery system, but it's not likely. The juice(s) you choose will probably be the biggest factor. People underestimate the importance of finding the right juice. As long as you can get a reliable 3.7V to your cartomizer or atomizer, the most important thing is the juice.

Any good PV has a manual button. Forget all those "automatic" gimmicks. It will take you about 3 minutes to be comfortable with pushing the button when you take a draw. In 5 minutes, it will be second nature and won't be the least bit distracting when you're driving. The only PV that doesn't work well when driving is one where you have fitted only an atomizer, (no cartomizer), and you need to drip juice into it manually. Don't drip and drive. Also, some automatics can be set off by wind noise. That's another reason to stay away from automatic batteries.

You will never know how much I appreciate that you would share your knowledge and experience. From what I've read, you know how important this can be for folks. Long journey ahead. Probably starts tomorrow.

Jim S.

Good luck. Give us an update and, most importantly, don't succumb to "paralysis by analysis". Oh, and get plenty of juice and cartos whatever device you decide on.
 
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Hi Jim, and welcome to your new life. I'm over 90% sure that you are about to ditch your lifelong cigarette habit, and it will be so painless it will astonish you. I say that because of my "Top three reasons why vaping beats stinkies: it's more enjoyable, it costs less, and of course .... it doesn't kill you. (Why don't I put the last reason first? Because we all knew it was killing us, but kept doing it because it was so enjoyable. Now, here's an infinitely healthier alternative that is far more enjoyable, so most people who have a truly satisfactory vape going will prefer it to cigarettes).

So, I've read this thread very carefully, and taken careful note of everything you've told us. I have a strategy in mind for you that I think will be just right, for a variety of reasons. This strategy would, IMO put into your hands, as fast as the USPS can deliver it, the only two PV's I think you would need for quite some time. One of them is what I think is the most advanced and best-performing production APV (advanced personal vaporizer) in existence, the Smoktech VMax. The other is the Joyetech eGo-C. This gives you back-up, and both "very good" and "world-class" vaping in to different form factors; the Joyetech is a very handy size for use anywhere, and the VMax is a bit larger, but can still be used anywhere when I stop and think about it.

Some quotes from this thread:

From you:

"No sense just dipping your toe in. What would you recommend as a good "industrial" starter kit for a heavy, long time smoker?"

"I've smoked a pack and a half to two packs a day for 46 years of my 60".

"I can afford the top of the line. After all, I'm spending $3,000+/yr on the stupid habit. Vaping is bound to be cheaper. But, I also like to chase smart value as much as the next person".

From others: [comments in [brackets] mine]

"Dont waste your time and money, start right up with a Provari VV mod. Use SR Joye atomizers. For juice I love Innovapors Ultrapure unflavored 36mg nicotine for that nic craving... " [I agree, get a VV right away, along with the eGo-C]

"Yeah, get a Provari. Everything else is a just a waste of time and money. Pity all us poor vapers. Hundreds of thousands of us, just wasting our time and money. If we had only known.... [Not so much "wasting money"; just not having the best vape possible, except on the rare occasion when volts are "just right" for a particular atomizer with a particular juice]

A Provari may be a fine choice as a starter for some people. It will certainly do the job [it sure as hell will], as will dozens of other models [can't think of dozens as capable as the ProVari]. If you are interested or willing to learn some of the finer points about the principles behind e-cigs, by all means go for it. [By all means]. If you value the knowledge that you have the best of the best, despite whether it makes any practical difference in your vaping experience [and oh, it will, please believe me], get a Provari. Or save a some money for juice and and get the equally capable BuzzPro or Vmax" [the VMax is actually more capable; longer battery life (2 x 18350 batteries, vs. 1 x 18490/optional 186500, and higher amp limit (can power a wider range of atomizer resistances].

"Me and my husband started with eGo-T's but have since moved on to better tube mods. We really liked the eGo batteries but found they were better with cartomizers than the tank system, the tank is a good jumping off point tho". [The (3.4 volt)Joyetech eGo battery, based on my own experience, and with no doubt in my mind, powers atomizer coils better than other PV's do at 3.7 volts - the Smoktech e-Power, in particular. Even with a high-drain IMR-type lithiul ion battery in it, the e-Power gives lackluster performance (vapor production, flavor) compared to a Joyetech battery, when both are used to power the exact same attachment (say, a low-resistance single or dual coil cartomizer in a Smoktech DCT tank].

"Someone new has two main problems. They don't even know whether vaping is what they want and it's not for everybody. In addition, they don't know how to vape. What they need is the simplest way to get an acceptable vape at the lowest cost]. I do not at all agree with this one-size-fits-all approach. Why settle for just an "acceptable" vape, when a world-class one can be had for the same cost as two or three weeks of smoking cigarettes? I applaud you for realizing that so clearly, and would like to repeat what you said: "I can afford the top of the line. After all, I'm spending $3,000+/yr on the stupid habit. Vaping is bound to be cheaper". I truly do not understand why people who have been spending those multi-thousands per year are suddenly so budget-conscious when it comes to plunking down a couple of hundred bucks for any one of the very best of the APV's available.

"You can't go wrong with the e-Power or even the kGo". [Again, I think you'd be going slightly wrong with the e-Power, and with the kGo, you'd be getting a battery very similar to the Joyetech (I believe if you rip a kGo apart, you'll find a Joyetech battery inside it), but you'll be missing out on the very cool, very convenient, and well-performing (IMO) Joyetech eGo-C three-piece atomizer and the great tank system that goes with it].

So; my exact recommendation:

Joyetech eGo-C 1000mah starter kit. Includes 2 1000-mah Joyetech eGo batteries, atomizer assembly with 5 replaceable atomizers, charger, and five tanks. About $80? You can get a passthrough battery separately for about $25; they are very, very cool in that you can charge it at the bottom while you use it by plugging it into the USB charger that comes with the kit. Some say not to use a USB port on your computer, so I don't.

And as outlined in this thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/291542-way-too-much-info.html -

I would also recommend that you get, as outlined in http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/291542-way-too-much-info-3.html which I would like very much for you to read:

Smoktech VMax, $128.95, free shipping
Four IMR 18650 batteries $32
Trustfire TR-001 charger $10.99
Smoktech 3.5ml DCT tank $11.99
Boge 3.0 XL single coil cartomizer $1.80 (Five for $8.95)

Smoktech VMax:

All About Vapor

Batteries and charger:

AW IMR 18350 700mAh LiMN Rechargeable Lithium Battery

Smoktech DCT 3.5ml chrome tank (on sale):

Dual Coil Cartomizer Tank or:
Shop

Boge XL 3.0 ohm stainless steel cartomizers:

http://www.sweet-vapes.com/index.php...mart&Itemid=84

As I say in that thread:

"Add juice and vape like few others on this site are doing".

Feel free to post or email me any questions at all. I have no axe to grind, no money to make from this, and I only want the best vape possible for anyone reading anything I have to say - although undying gratitude is always nice. lol
 
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John D in CT

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Read my blog and absorb the months of research I did to write it in a small fraction of the time. Short answer? KGO starter kit from DarkCityVapor

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/shoganinja/2525-finally-easy-button-quit-smoking-start-vaping-my-quit-diary.html#comments

Pretty much what I got from your blog is "get a kGo", as you said here. Have you used an Joyetech eGo battery, and can you compare and contrast it with a kGo? That said, I'm pretty sure both use the same Joyetech battery. I recommend the Joyetech eGo-C kit because of both the excellent performance of the battery, and for the very nice (IMO) design and function of the Joyetech tanks/atomizers.
 

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Wow, This was very helpful to me as well!
Hi Jim, and welcome to your new life. I'm over 90% sure that you are about to ditch your lifelong cigarette habit, and it will be so painless it will astonish you. I say that because of my "Top three reasons why vaping beats stinkies: it's more enjoyable, it costs less, and of course .... it doesn't kill you. (Why don't I put the last reason first? Because we all knew it was killing us, but kept doing it because it was so enjoyable. Now, here's an infinitely healthier alternative that is far more enjoyable, so most people who have a truly satisfactory vape going will prefer it to cigarettes).

So, I've read this thread very carefully, and taken careful note of everything you've told us. I have a strategy in mind for you that I think will be just right, for a variety of reasons. This strategy would, IMO put into your hands, as fast as the USPS can deliver it, the only two PV's I think you would need for quite some time. One of them is what I think is the most advanced and best-performing production APV (advanced personal vaporizer) in existence, the Smoktech VMax. The other is the Joyetech eGo-C. This gives you back-up, and both "very good" and "world-class" vaping in to different form factors; the Joyetech is a very handy size for use anywhere, and the VMax is a bit larger, but can still be used anywhere when I stop and think about it.

Some quotes from this thread:

From you:

"No sense just dipping your toe in. What would you recommend as a good "industrial" starter kit for a heavy, long time smoker?"

"I've smoked a pack and a half to two packs a day for 46 years of my 60".

"I can afford the top of the line. After all, I'm spending $3,000+/yr on the stupid habit. Vaping is bound to be cheaper. But, I also like to chase smart value as much as the next person".

From other [comments in [brackets] mine]:

"Dont waste your time and money, start right up with a Provari VV mod. Use SR Joye atomizers. For juice I love Innovapors Ultrapure unflavored 36mg nicotine for that nic craving... " [I agree, get a VV right away, along with the eGo-C]

"Yeah, get a Provari. Everything else is a just a waste of time and money. Pity all us poor vapers. Hundreds of thousands of us, just wasting our time and money. If we had only known.... [Not so much "wasting money"; just not having the best vape possible, except on the rare occasion when volts are "just right" for a particular atomizer with a particular juice]

A Provari may be a fine choice as a starter for some people. It will certainly do the job [it sure as hell will], as will dozens of other models [can't think of dozens as capable as the ProVari]. If you are interested or willing to learn some of the finer points about the principles behind e-cigs, by all means go for it. [By all means]. If you value the knowledge that you have the best of the best, despite whether it makes any practical difference in your vaping experience [and oh, it will, please believe me], get a Provari. Or save a some money for juice and and get the equally capable BuzzPro or Vmax" [the VMax is actually more capable; longer battery life (2 x 18350 batteries, vs. 1 x 18490/optional 186500, and higher amp limit (can power a wider range of atomizer resistances].

"Me and my husband started with eGo-T's but have since moved on to better tube mods. We really liked the eGo batteries but found they were better with cartomizers than the tank system, the tank is a good jumping off point tho". [The (3.4 volt)Joyetech eGo battery, based on my own experience, and with no doubt in my mind, powers atomizer coils better than other PV's do at 3.7 volts - the Smoktech e-Power, in particular. Even with a high-drain IMR-type lithiul ion battery in it, the e-Power gives lackluster performance (vapor production, flavor) compared to a Joyetech battery, when both are used to power the exact same attachment (say, a low-resistance single or dual coil cartomizer in a Smoktech DCT tank].

"Someone new has two main problems. They don't even know whether vaping is what they want and it's not for everybody. In addition, they don't know how to vape. What they need is the simplest way to get an acceptable vape at the lowest cost]. I do not at all agree with this one-size-fits-all approach. Why settle for just an "acceptable" vape, when a world-class one can be had for the same cost as two or three weeks of smoking cigarettes? I applaud you for realizing that so clearly, and would like to repeat what you said: "I can afford the top of the line. After all, I'm spending $3,000+/yr on the stupid habit. Vaping is bound to be cheaper". I truly do not understand why people who have been spending those multi-thousands per year are suddenly so budget-conscious when it comes to plunking down a couple of hundred bucks for any one of the very best of the APV's available.

"You can't go wrong with the e-Power or even the kGo". [Again, I think you'd be going slightly wrong with the e-Power, and with the kGo, you'd be getting a battery very similar to the Joyetech (I believe if you rip a kGo apart, you'll find a Joyetech battery inside it), but you'll be missing out on the very cool, very convenient, and well-performing (IMO) Joyetech eGo-C three-piece atomizer and the great tank system that goes with it].

So; my exact recommendation:

Joyetech eGo-C 1000mah starter kit. Includes 2 1000-mah Joyetech eGo batteries, atomizer assembly with 5 replaceable atomizers, charger, and five tanks. About $80? You can get a passthrough battery separately for about $25; they are very, very cool in that you can charge it at the bottom while you use it by plugging it into the USB charger that comes with the kit. Some say not to use a USB port on your computer, so I don't.

And as outlined in this thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/291542-way-too-much-info.html -

I would also recommend that you get, as outlined in http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/291542-way-too-much-info-3.html which I would like very much for you to read:

Smoktech VMax, $128.95, free shipping
Four IMR 18650 batteries $32
Trustfire TR-001 charger $10.99
Smoktech 3.5ml DCT tank $11.99
Boge 3.0 XL single coil cartomizer $1.80 (Five for $8.95)

Smoktech VMax:

All About Vapor

Batteries and charger:

AW IMR 18350 700mAh LiMN Rechargeable Lithium Battery

Smoktech DCT 3.5ml chrome tank (on sale):

Dual Coil Cartomizer Tank or:
Shop

Boge XL 3.0 ohm stainless steel cartomizers:

http://www.sweet-vapes.com/index.php...mart&Itemid=84

As I say in that thread:

"Add juice and vape like few others on this site are doing".

Feel free to post or email me any questions at all. I have no axe to grind, no money to make from this, and I only want the best vape possible for anyone reading anything I have to say - although undying gratitude is always nice. lol
 

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Drink lots of water? Who would have thought. Nice essay. It covers a lot of the non-device concerns I had, as have other's posts.

All,

Taking this step is multi-dimensional. Hardware, joose (as someone called it), predispostions (current habits), and commitment. My only trepidation - I don't want to fail. This may be my last chance to get off analogues.

Last Labor Day, I had a very, very, small heart attack (MI). The kind that some people have and never know it until a Doctor does an echo or EKG. Felt a light pressure in my chest that wasn't normal and a tingling/numbness in both my arms. No "pain" at all. 1/2 hr. later, it hadn't gone away. Off to the ER. EKG was normal but a film of nitro under my tongue relieved the pressure immediately. Off to the Cardio ward. The treating Doc thought it was angina, but a blood test 8 hrs. later showed a small rise in a certain protein that signals when the heart is under stress from a blockage. Now I have my very own Cardiologist and a 3 day stay in Cardio prison. Angiogram showed a couple of minor blockages, no stents needed.

(BTW - Don't have an MI on a Friday. The Angio lab is out for the weekend and holiday. It would be Tuesday before I could get an angiogram unless they had an emergency and the lab would do me while they were in. They did on Sunday and I was out Monday morning.)

In the follow-up, cholesterol, blood pressure, blood sugar were all normal. Cardiologist said I had a small eruption of plaque that clogged a minor artery. Says that smoking contributed to, or caused the little eruption. I pretty much believe him. The patch routine didn't even come close to helping me quit. The Doc suggested e-cigs (Blu's, but whatever, he wouldn't know).

I gave myself time to adjust to the new drug regimen before starting e-cigs. Statin's (to help scab over the eruption and lower cholesterol to try to reduce the little blockages I do have), Plavix (anti-platelet), Lopressor (slows down the heart), and 235mg of aspirin. These drugs did not sit well with me, and I'm finding out, statin's cause some folks a lot of misery. While getting used to the drugs, I sas doing a little research on e-cigs and found the vapors forum, which pointed me to the e-cig forum and the result was my post. It's time.

I share this - in case you have that little feeling of pressure that you have never felt before in your chest one day , you won't ignore it.

Now you know something about me that my mother, sister, and brothers don't even know. There are other things they don't know, but those things are not fit for this forum. :)

Jim S.
 

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Wow, This was very helpful to me as well!

Good, I'm glad you found it helpful. I just distinctly remember how utterly confused I was the first time I posted here on 2/27/12, not knowing squat and totally overwhelmed.

To me, one key to life is to do something, even if it's not perfect - especially since nothing is. In theory maybe, but not in practice (IMO). And the less risk there is, the less "perfect" a choice really needs to be. An eGo-C kit, 1000mah is $86; two batteries, charger, 5 atomizers, 5 tanks. To me, it's just a slam dunk. I haven't even mentioned some of the excellent points made in this review of it:

Ego-C from vaporcrave.com review...I say win! - YouTube

Easy to switch between up to five flavors right off the bat; tanks vs. the more PITA cartos, for many more hassle-free vapes
before you need to fol around with anything; and it just gives very good, consistent hits for the most part. Are there little tricks for optimizing performance, and keep the attys happy? Yes, it would appear so: (gotta find that thread)

But there are problems with all kinds of things out there:

Here's 7,286 replies to a thread about burning polyfill in ciggie look-alikes:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...us-510-kr808-4081-etc-filler-type-cartos.html

And a HUGE thread about a switch to bad polyfill in Smoktech cartomizers, which I've experienced now first-hand; hits that taste like dirty gym socks:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ch-lr-1-7-ohm-xl-lr-1-7-ohm-going-around.html

Lastly, the Joyetech eGo-Twist will go very nicely with the eGo-C system, but of course, it will go well with a whole lot more, too - DCT tanks, cartos, drip atomizers, whatever. Again, the Joyetech eGo Twist is a brand new variable voltage device that will adjust from 3.2 to 4.8 volts with a cool little dial on the bottom, for only about $29. Not the battery life of a bigger APV, but still really, really cool, and will give some great hits on higher resistance devices than the eGo battery will, which itself is no slouch with the right atomizer.
 

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There are other things they don't know, but those things are not fit for this forum. :)

Jim S.

We'll be the judge of that, thank you very much. Spill it! lol

Jim, hell of a post. So glad you're pretty much OK, and that you've decided that Mr. Butts should take his leave. That must have been, and must still be, a scary thing to be going through. I do have some idea, having had the luxury of knowing exactly what congestive heart failure feels like, having had my aortic valve (defective from birth) finally close almost all the way up before I had it replaced. Now I'm 110% with a lifetime guarantee. If the valve fails at any time, I get my money back. Can't beat that deal.

You will get through this, and things will be better than ever. THIS IS NOT YOUR ONLY CHANCE AT THIS, but it's probably going to be the only one you're going to need. Vaping is simply more enjoyable than smoking cigarettes; it just is. I don't think that's even a subjective opinion. Any flavor in the world, any level of nicotine including zero, and you can vape until the cows come home and it's OK. Moderation is best, but moderation can bloody well wait. Vape your face off, and it is highly unlikely that you will want to smoke a stinkie. Just as a joke, I tell all my friends who have quit that they must go smoke a cigarette, and they all refuse to. They do not want to. Neither, in all likelihood, will you. It's like magic, if there really were such a thing.

If I give you a shopping list, will you order the stuff right away? I will tell you exactly what to buy, just as I've suggested, and you can be vaping in just a few days. And we're having a "Cardio Special" this week, where you get unlimited phone support. I can email you my phone number, and I will walk and talk you through every little trick and tip.

This is not all that complicated, as you will soon see. To choose the "perfect" PV? That is complicated, because it does not exist. Did you see the post from the person who said they spent 200 hours (!!!) researching this stuff? Please do not do that.

Flight path:

Joyetech eGo-C starter kit, with low resistance atomizer heads (atomizers) - $86
1000mah Joyetech eGo passthrough battery that you just might be able to plug into your heart rate monitor
Juice - I can tell you what you might like based on you think you might like, and how that often quickly changes

optional:

Joyetech eGo Twist variable voltage battery, to see what VV is all about
Package of 5 standard resistance eGo-C atomizers that you can now rock with the Twist
Some Smoktech DCT tanks, one for each flavor that you really like, now with up to maybe 3.0 ohm single coil cartomizers, thanks to the Twist

As soon as you want to, if ever:

A world-class VV tube mod like the ProVari V2, Smoktech VMax, or ?

This can be very easy; don't stress about it. Give that ticker a breather for a little while!
 
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