GGTS knockoff to the max!

[house mouse]

I have been vaping for 7 months and have been trying to pick up a quality mod since my first week. It is just impossible.

It's not impossible at all. I only joined the GG clan 9 months ago. In that time I've picked up a Penelope, a TB, a GGTS, a UFS, a Stealth and an Ithaka. All brand new and all bought at retail pricing. Just by being on the forum and paying attention to when the pre-orders are starting. Granted you can't get one right now, but if you put a little time and planning into it you will get what you want.

 

[fixlyob]

It's not impossible at all. I only joined the GG clan 9 months ago. In that time I've picked up a Penelope, a TB, a GGTS, a UFS, a Stealth and an Ithaka. All brand new and all bought at retail pricing. Just by being on the forum and paying attention to when the pre-orders are starting. Granted you can't get one right now, but if you put a little time and planning into it you will get what you want.

Yeah, me too, I bought a Ody from COV last year in june and since I try it and my life changes so I enter to this forum and since december I bought second a GGTS + UFS, in january bought a GG Stealth, in february I bought an iAtty and the last week I received my Ithaka bought on a preorder in december, so when you want something and search for it you can find it.

If you ask me which one is the best, I couldn't say because each one is the best for something, so you must try all to find what do you like b

Cheers

 

[RiverNut]

Thanks for the reply -I agree with a lot of what you are saying. But I still maintain these modders are amateur businessmen (sorry if my post was not clear) and that leaves the door wide open for the slick Chinese cloners to flood the market. And I do agree they are stealing but some of them are also creating new and innovative products themselves.

I also disagree with some of the other posters. The AGA T2 produces as good of a vape as any original that I own as do the chobras. My VV VW Chinese mods are functioning just fine and they are 3-7 months old.

So all small business owners are amateurs then...because they don't produce in mass quantities?

And you agree that cloners are stealing yet you still support them? Does that not make you a thief too?

 

[imeothanasis]

colin, first of all I want to thank you for your rant because it means that you like the GG series and you would like to have one
You have a point here. I understand what you are saying. I will try to answer your qwestions one by one and explain you my thoughts:

Provari sells good even if its older technology: Its a kind of sales style, mine is different. When provari will stay behind because they dont update their product, maybe it would be too late for them. GG on the other hand has to stay always the best. So from a business eyeshot, I am more professional than them. Also maybe they dont have the skills to improve their product. (Provari was an example just because you mention it, and what I say is not really for them)

As for the quantity: Do you prefere to wait for 8 months for a product (10.000 units), or wait for 3 months to have a new item that is better than the previous model? (Because in 8 months I would have think too many improvements that you will not be able to taste by yourself and they will stay in my drawer (I already have designs in my drawer that I cant produce)

You are nothing and I am everything: Thats not true buddy because I depend on you and you depend on me. We are totally equal

I understand that I make many people unhappy because I cant make big quantity but imagine that: Ferrari sends production line to China or to any other place around the world. Its not the same ferrari after that if you agree

wiki is not up to date for sure colin. Take a look here:

http://inventors.about.com/od/estartinventions/a/Electronic-Cigarettes.htm

Its not who patented but who thought of it. So if someone patents GGTS doesnt mean that he invented

Imeo, firstly, amazing that you would take the time to answer my rant - but I guess that is why you are legendary in this world of vaping. I have been vaping for 7 months and have been trying to pick up a quality mod since my first week. It is just impossible. You guys cannot make enough of your product to satisfy demand so many people are taking advantage of this and are profiting from your enterprise (and they are not Chinese). There is an auction for a GG mod currently on Facebook and the price is already at Euro 650. They are also selling an Ithaka and that is already over Euro 350. This is because you are still an artist/creator/pioneer and not a businessman. You are crafting new products before your older renditions have run their full business cycle. Hey I understand you Imeo -you are a person with immense passion - you cannot stop yourself constantly improving your product with new versions -but from a accepted business standpoint that is disastrous. It means that only a select lucky few will ever experience your labours of love. I know the vaping business is moving at an unbelievable rate and that there is a need to keep up with all the new advancements BUT look at Provape. Their Provari is older technology but they are still selling like they were launched yesterday. I also understand that it is probably not your desire to make millions of dollars and grow a huge business empire but please can you understand how frustrating it is for so many people not to be able to get their hands on quality product. This is why the China clone business is thriving -it is not the price. I believe if you put 10,000 GGTS on the market tomorrow you would sell out in an hour I also believe if you put 5000 Odysseus on the market you would also sell them out. I am guessing however you are already planning the next new products.

Ok so I know I will be "raped" for saying these things. Who am I a newbie vaper to be talking like this to a legend? Well I am nothing -and I am everything - I am the next generation of vaper. I don't have tattoos, I don't wear my cap backwards, I don't ride a bike and I certainly don't do ... For me, your mods are not expensive -vaping is by far the cheapest hobby I have but it is one that drives me to despair because the supply lines are so fragmented.

If you are so set on only having "a few customers" then please understand that you are making far more people unhappy that they cannot enjoy your creations.

Lastly, I do thank you and the other modders for making all this possible. Without you I would still be smoking 2 packs a day and coughing my lungs up - which is actually the main thing here. Me throwing a hissy fit because I can't get a new toy is nothing compared to actually being able to vape. You do have my greatest respect - even if you are a lousy businessmen ;-)


From Wikipedia
Hon Lik, a Chinese pharmacist, is widely credited with the invention of the first generation electronic cigarette. In 2000, he came up with the idea of using a piezoelectric ultrasound-emitting element to vaporize a pressurized jet of liquid containing nicotine diluted in a propylene glycol solution.

 

[PhreakySTS9]

When discussing the major PV's, rebuildables, etc. while stock is a huge problem these days and it is very hard to get a lot of things, I think it's extremely unfair to Imeo to throw GG products on that list. Imeo always has his preorders and keeps up a better stock than almost all of the other high end mod makers. When I got my GGTS, I simply went on the Greek site during the time all the stuff was up, picked the things I wanted to my cart and bought them. Simple as that. They were there for like a full day or two, no crazy rush or F5 wars. (I actually looked at iAtty's like 3 days later and they were still freaking in stock!!!!) He has preorders that insures many people get to buy things and works hard to keep stock flowing. VapeRev had from what I understand 50 brass Chi-You's in stock the other day. They didn't even bother selling them online, they sold them all in store because they knew they would sell them all and they were too lazy to bother with shipping. One poster had been standing in line for the store since like 5:30AM and they said they still had about 75 people in front of them and figured there was no way to get one. That is just the most absurdly ridiculous thing I have heard in a VERY long time. What a crock of B&$*S&#@!!!! That's just ridiculous. Why even bother sending a store 50 PV's that there are thousands of people that want them. Why not take a bit of extra time to make a reasonable amount? Having people lining up from god knows when (who knows when the earliest people got there if the dude was 75th in line and he had been waiting since 5:30AM) is just screwed up.

Imeo on the other hand is a fantastic guy, and fortunately for us doesn't limit the entire US to only being able to buy 50 GGTS' at CoV every few months. If Imeo had crummy business practices like that there's no way I would even bother with GG stuff, and I likely would have never owned the GG stuff I have in the past/do currently (SS "TMF" GGTB, drip mode Ody, Penelope and GGTStealth) if I had to fight that hard to get them. Luckily he gives us many options and chances to buy his wonderful products, and actually produces a reasonable amount compared to the demand!!! Thanks Imeo!

 

[ColinD]

Double post

 

[ColinD]

ha ha Imeo of course I love the GG products - hand crafted with love and passion -what is not to like. I will try harder on the next run to get in line for the GGTS. It is actually not that easy as I am in Asia and the timing is horrible but I resolve to try. I have also signed up for notifications at COV.

Thanks for the dialogue Maestro.

Colin

 

[Ast_Isis]

I am not a newbie vapor and remember when our only choice was the basic Joyetech 510 kits. It was Imeo and a very few others who gave us the first innovations. It took months to receive the latest mods but was worth the wait. Now, many of those innovators sell the same mods in large quantities. Imeo is different; He believes in constantly improving his products.

Just because someone does not mass produce a product does make them an amateur businessperson. It is the same with all handcrafted items from art to furniture. There will be limited quantities, longer wait times, and higher prices. Is it worth it? For some it is and the continued interest is proof.

 

[imeothanasis]

we are all here to talk and solve our issues colin, no problem buddy

ha ha Imeo of course I love the GG products - hand crafted with love and passion -what is not to like. I will try harder on the next run to get in line for the GGTS. It is actually not that easy as I am in Asia and the timing is horrible but I resolve to try. I have also signed up for notifications at COV.

Thanks for the dialogue Maestro.

Colin

 

[kevin666]

I will not stop improving GG series, until the whole world makes only GG copies. Thats my purpose guys!!

That is a classy response!!!

 

[sparky parker]

helo everyone. I am new to imeo products, but just my . i think the jist of this thread is about gg knockoffs stealing money from imeo.
and gone into who is more of a thief. i have been smoke free for over a year, i spent over $500 in 3 months on cheep crap to stop smoking - it worked,
was it worth it - yes i don't smoke - that is priceless. was there better products available - yes but i didn't know where. researched on internet found ecf -
and was overwelmed with options. being new to vaping, and prone to looseing things. $50 for a kit that i might not like was alot of money to waste.
my first car was a chevette, not a corvette. more expensive is not always better, or best for everyone. i am fine with a ego+ evod, but rba are nice too
but to my point im am not here because imeo is a great guy (that is a plus), but because i tried a clone. it was better than anything i had used before.
if a clone is that good ( i think clone is translated as cheep crap ) how good is the real thing. now i am preordering gg products - did i steal from imeo ?
no, because i would never have found out about imeo if not for the clone. cheep crap is sold for one reason - max profit, just because you sell alot of a product doesn't make you a great business ( mcdonalds - billions served ), if everyone raves about it it is great (total crap boge carts, ce4, ce2, etc).
or if you have a degree from harvard makes you smart ( fixed a light for a couple that had 5 degrees, the light bulb was loose).
is there a way to stop clone - yes make it not profitable. imeo could flood the market with cheeper gg's (would it still be a real gg), he could invest in a huge
factory to build more gg's (loss of QA, huge overhead). the gg's are a product of/are imeo. nothing more nothing less. I would like to see gg's more available,
and cheeper, but not at the expence of quality. i am impressed with the whole gg line, not just for quality, or design, but imeo's motto - " I will satisfy every vaper
out there" now that is perfect. will everone have a gg, and stop the clones/copys - oh yes. you have me hooked, I can't wait to get more of the gg series.

keep it up and every satisfyed vaper will be a gg owner

 

[Xylocaine]

I cannot wait to own a GG, when my Vaperversary (First Year No Analogs) occurred last month I was all set to finally step up to a better mod. I had fallen in love with the iSeason (an Adam clone) which had major improvements over The Natural and other junkie clones. It gave me a great opportunity to play with and mod my first Mechanical Mod ever. I really wanted a GG (Secretly having coveted it since the days I said 'Why would you ever need anything more than an eGo battery?), of course I was not aware of this forum at the time and set out. I checked classifieds and saw people selling bits and pieces or full sets for very high prices and my heart sank. I then came across a new GGTS Clone, I won't mention the name but it was about half the price or so of an actual GGTS.

Now I'm not one to jump on things when they first came out and the iSeason having absolutely no reviews except 1 single post on ECF was the biggest leap for me. The GGTS clone seemed to be so new that there wasn't anything on the forums when I found it - I did however discover the GG forum here. I then started looking at the diagrams, parts, composition and innovations of Imeo and decided that I might as well save my money for the real thing. That is really what it comes down to, I don't think I would have ever spent the 180$ on an Adam its just not that good of a mod (when a now extremely cheaper version is available with just about the same quality).

So here is the question who is really being robbed? People will always buy Imeo's latest invention and he will sell out in moments or a day its just a guarantee. There is no substitute for a true Imeo GG - None. Its not just a machine, or a vaporizer, it is a masterpiece. Its an utterly gorgeous piece of art and its constantly being improved. Imeo is years ahead of China in many -many- regards. I really think the people who are buying the clones are the ones being robbed - especially if they're marketed as 'True GG' items. They are getting a product so far inferior to a GG that its very very expensive garbage.

Summing it all up, some clones are worth it - they're reasonable copies which fall reasonably within the limits of the original and their availability helps people stop smoking (Phoenix Clone, AGA, iSeason, the multitudes of eGo batteries that aren't genuine JoyeTech etc). There just is no clone for the GG, the only chance of there ever being something remotely better than the GG is either by some miracle of invention held proprietary to one company or Imeo to stop doing what he does. He doesn't just make the GG, he improves on it, over and over again. Its an evolution that until he stops will always be ahead of the clones.

 

[LongHaul]

I cannot wait to own a GG, when my Vaperversary (First Year No Analogs) occurred last month I was all set to finally step up to a better mod. I had fallen in love with the iSeason (an Adam clone) which had major improvements over The Natural and other junkie clones. It gave me a great opportunity to play with and mod my first Mechanical Mod ever. I really wanted a GG (Secretly having coveted it since the days I said 'Why would you ever need anything more than an eGo battery?), of course I was not aware of this forum at the time and set out. I checked classifieds and saw people selling bits and pieces or full sets for very high prices and my heart sank. I then came across a new GGTS Clone, I won't mention the name but it was about half the price or so of an actual GGTS.

Now I'm not one to jump on things when they first came out and the iSeason having absolutely no reviews except 1 single post on ECF was the biggest leap for me. The GGTS clone seemed to be so new that there wasn't anything on the forums when I found it - I did however discover the GG forum here. I then started looking at the diagrams, parts, composition and innovations of Imeo and decided that I might as well save my money for the real thing. That is really what it comes down to, I don't think I would have ever spent the 180$ on an Adam its just not that good of a mod (when a now extremely cheaper version is available with just about the same quality).

So here is the question who is really being robbed? People will always buy Imeo's latest invention and he will sell out in moments or a day its just a guarantee. There is no substitute for a true Imeo GG - None. Its not just a machine, or a vaporizer, it is a masterpiece. Its an utterly gorgeous piece of art and its constantly being improved. Imeo is years ahead of China in many -many- regards. I really think the people who are buying the clones are the ones being robbed - especially if they're marketed as 'True GG' items. They are getting a product so far inferior to a GG that its very very expensive garbage.

Summing it all up, some clones are worth it - they're reasonable copies which fall reasonably within the limits of the original and their availability helps people stop smoking (Phoenix Clone, AGA, iSeason, the multitudes of eGo batteries that aren't genuine JoyeTech etc). There just is no clone for the GG, the only chance of there ever being something remotely better than the GG is either by some miracle of invention held proprietary to one company or Imeo to stop doing what he does. He doesn't just make the GG, he improves on it, over and over again. Its an evolution that until he stops will always be ahead of the clones.

A GG will be the best piece you will ever own

 

[Torqueguy]

I will not stop improving GG series, until the whole world makes only GG copies. Thats my purpose guys!!

Great attitude, but people will always want the original!

 

[d4mpf3r]

I´m just new in the GG Buisness but my GGTS was the best Investment i´ve ever made.
I´m Vaping since 11/2012 and i got the chance to get this masterpiece of Engeneering.

Imeo, great Job...thats for sure.
Special Thx to Vassili. Great Support!

Only the Original Vaping Machine from Greece could rule the Worl .

Keep on Vaping and dont forget the bad Karma if you buy any Clone....hehehe

Best wishes from a litte GG-FanBoy

 

[imeothanasis]

Guys, you are right on everything. I am very glad that I am between only intelligent people.

Welcome D4 my friend

 

[upsetter21]

Imeo: just how many lives have you changed? Even the clones are YOUR IDEAS reaching out to people. Imitation is the ultimate flattery.
Forever you are a true God of Vape! It is said and done.

 

[LongHaul]

This was found on "the Wall" in a thread and reveals the true problem with clones and poorly thought out knockoffs

Well I've got to have this. My Oddy clones always end up gurgling eventually. It's kept me from getting the original, and it's kept me out of the Ithaka game.

Would someone be so kind as to inform me on how to contact this modder. Thanks.

 

[imeothanasis]

I am very glad that you finally are here upset my friend, welcome buddy. As for Ithaka game, you are not out because preorders will stop in 4 days

Imeo: just how many lives have you changed? Even the clones are YOUR IDEAS reaching out to people. Imitation is the ultimate flattery.
Forever you are a true God of Vape! It is said and done.

 

[imeothanasis]

clones make us famous and customers poorer Long. Its good for GG users and bad for the non GG users. The solution is to make more units and thats exactly what I did this time.

This was found on "the Wall" in a thread and reveals the true problem with clones and poorly thought out knockoffs