Go-go cartomizer filler replacement question

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I've got some go-go cartos where the filling has gotten a little burned. I took the filler out and washed it off, and the burned places are better, but still there.

I found a thread about how to rebuild the carto and read through it. Found that you can replace the filler with fluval (which I will look for tomorrow) and I think I understand how to do it.

But... do I need to keep the cotton batting piece? It's got burn marks too, so I don't want to get the burned taste. Will the fluval work to wick the juice without the cotton piece?

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Oh, and another question...

Does the burnt taste/lack of flavor come from the filler being singed or from the atomizer being gunked up? I did the dry burn thing on the atomizer after removing the filling and I got it to the point where it was glowing. It smelled terrible. Then I rinsed and boiled twice to get rid of the smell.

Should that renew the carto for a while and revive the taste, or do I need to replace the filler with fluval to have the best chance of getting a good flavor?
 

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I've tried it both ways. with the cotton batting and fluval and without the cotton batting using fluval. My best results with thin juices using fluval was with the cotton batting re-installed. Just cut the burnt part off. With 100% VG I didn't use the cotton batting and packed the fluval looser. This seemed to work well for a couple days before the coil got gunked up and had to be dry burned again. If you've burned the original filler just cut the burnt section off with sissors and re-install after dry burning.
In answer to your second question, once the coil has been dry burned to a nice cherry red glow all the carbonized bits need to be flushed out. No need to boil, just rinse with water to remove the bits and the carto should work well.
I cut my fluval by tearing it in half, lengthwise so I get half the thickness of the original piece then cut it 1/3rd wider and 1/3 longer than the size of the original filler for thin juices. I cut it the same size as the original filler and pack it looser for thick juices.
Hope all this info helps. Don't be afraid to experiment. Fluval is cheap and you can try different sizes, different packs, etc.
 

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Thanks so much mohawkx.

I tried this and it was a big fail.

First, I dry burned the cartos until I got the cherry red glow, like you mentioned. I rinsed them, but they still smelled bad, so that's when I boiled them. They smelled pretty clean after boiling so I went ahead and dried them out in the oven for a few minutes at 175 degrees (as low as my oven goes I think) to get rid of the rest of the water.

I got the fluval and it's in a thick pad, so like you said, I peeled a thinner layer off and cut it into a piece about the same size as the old filler. I wet my little black straw with some of the juice, rolled it up and stuck it in. Then I used a larger straw to make sure it was seated at the bottom of the carto. I filled it with juice, let it sit for a few minutes then topped it off.

It tasted like nothing at first, then started to taste a little burned. I took the fluval out and stuffed it into another carto that I was trying to revive, and it was basically the same thing. Also, they seemed leakier than before. I'd blow them out and dry off the ends, but more juice would leak out and I'd get a gurgly sound with a draw.

So, did I do something wrong or were the cartos just too far gone? I would have thought that if I dry burned the atomizer till it was glowing that would have gotten rid of most of the junk and I should have gotten at least a little more use out of them. The original filler isn't toasted, just a few light brown places, so it's not like I was super hard on them, running them dry all the time.

I'd like my cartos to last longer if possible. I think these lasted about 2 1/2 weeks (in rotation- not constant use for either of them). I've heard of people getting much more life out of a go-go and it's one of the reasons I went with this brand. I guess it's still pretty inexpensive, but I'm cheap.

What can I do different/better next time?
 

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I wish I was there to walk you through it. After reading your process, It sounds like youve done most everything right. After reviewing your post, here is some more info.
First off, you should notice that the weave on the original filler is much denser than the fluval. Secondly, the cotton batting that is wrapped around the center tube is there for a reason. It sucks the surrounding juice from the filler by way of capillary action and feeds it to the coil. When you talk about burnt filler of the original filler in the carto, I'll bet that the tip of the cotton batting was what was burnt. There probably was some carbonizing of the polyfill at the bottom but the polyfill itself was not burnt. What this should tell you is that the cotton batting is actually touching the coil when in proper operation.
To trouble shoot your current situation I would venture to say that because you didn't re-install the cotton batting the juice was sliding down between the centertube and the fluval and leaking out the bottom and flooding your coil.
When you reinstall the fluval AND the cotton batting make sure that a small portion of the cotton batting is protruding out the bottom end of the filler wrap so that when the whole assembly is slid back into the carto, the cotton batting will make contact with the coil. I would say slightly less than 1/16th of an inch of batting should protrude from the bottom of the wrapped filler when you are ready to re-insert. You also must make sure that the cotton batting is wrapped tight around the straw so it will be a snug wrap around the centertube oterwise the juice will channel down between the centertube and the cotton batting and leak out the bottom. The best way I've found to do this is to first insure that your straw will fit snugly over the centertube on the carto you want to use, then remove the straw and place a couple drops of juice on the center of the straw and start your wrap of the cotton batting around the straw. Just roll the whole straw and cotton batting between both thumbs and forefingers and you will get a nice tight wrap. I usually place another drop of juice on the tightly wrapped cotton batting and this tends to stick it in place.
Now roll the original filler or fluval in the same direction as the cotton batting using your thumbs and forefingers nice and tight. Place the straw over the center tube and slide the whole assembly into the carto body while turning the carto body in the direction the filler is rolled. Once the filler is inserted as far as it will go by hand, then use the big straw to lightly tamp it down and turning the big straw IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION that the filler is wrapped. This is to expand the filler evenly in the carto body so the juice will disperse evenly throughout the polyfill. Remove the small straw while holding the filler in place with the larger straw to prevent the whole filler assembly from rising up when you pull the small straw.
The filler must not have any water in it or you will get no taste at all after you refill.
I've found that rebuilt cartos never hold as much juice as the original. I've also found that the 1/3rd rule with fluval(1/3rd larger in width and length) will bring the filler pack just to the top or slightly below the top of the centertube when packed properly. I let my rebuilt and refilled gocarts sit for at least 2 hours(mostly overnight) before using them. This is to allow the filler to properly expand with the new juice and redevelop proper wicking properties.
To be honest, the detailed explaination is much harder than the actual process. I have been rebuilding these cartos since march of this year and I've had less than 5 gocarts that I've had to throw away in all that time.
Keep working on this and in the end you'll get it. With practice you'll be able to move filler in and out of these puppies with no problem. Gocarts are built like trucks and as long as you don't try to remove old dry crusty filler from an old carto and pull the centertube along with the filler, these will last forever.
Here is one more step in the process I forgot to mention.......When you've dryburned the gocart and everything is clean inside, drip three drops of juice down the inside and tailpipe it before you reinstall the cleaned filler. You might find that your first tokes are weak and tasteless because the base of the coil is still wet with water. Keep dripping on the coil untill you get full rich flavor. vapor, etc. Once all that has returned, then reinstall the filler and juice.
You keep working, I'll keep you troubleshooting and in the end I'm convinced you'll get it right and it will be like falling off a log.
Good luck and keep me posted on your progress......falures and successes. :)

Mohawk

PS: I see that NoMoCigars is lurking in the wings on this thread and I read another post by him as to how he found his sweet spots with the gogo. Hint..........repacking the gocarts with fluval for chopper's tanks works very very well.
 
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Thanks for the detailed response! I'm going to have to print it out and read it several times, but I already see some stuff I could do better. I tossed these, but maybe I will dig them back out of the garbage can and see if I can get them working. Well, one of them I ended up mashing the center tube down, so I think that one's finished, but the other one might work. I will at least try it with the few drops without filler to see if I can at least get a taste.

Thanks. I will keep you updated.
 

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Thanks for the detailed response! I'm going to have to print it out and read it several times, but I already see some stuff I could do better. I tossed these, but maybe I will dig them back out of the garbage can and see if I can get them working. Well, one of them I ended up mashing the center tube down, so I think that one's finished, but the other one might work. I will at least try it with the few drops without filler to see if I can at least get a taste.

Thanks. I will keep you updated.

Save the one with the mashed down centertube and see if you can use it as a dripper for testing juice flavors. If the coil still lights up, you can. everyone needs at least one dripper for their gogo. :)
 

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PS: I see that NoMoCigars is lurking in the wings on this thread and I read another post by him as to how he found his sweet spots with the gogo. Hint..........repacking the gocarts with fluval for chopper's tanks works very very well.

Lurking always sounded so 'seedy' to me, like I'm looking for a chance to do something inappropriate. Anyway, Mohawk is right, I've repacked a couple of gocarts with blue foam (don't have any fluval), and the tank has increased my success on this front. With the extra 'flood pressure' of the juice from the tank, it seems that it is more forgiving with a not-so-perfect packing job. As long as I get the filler material all the way to the bottom (you can actually see it through the holes in the modified carto) it works fine. I've tried to modify carto's myself by cutting slots but Choppers carto's always worked better (he has the magic touch).
 

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Well, I tried just removing the stuffing and dripping. This is what happened: First I got no taste. Then I got a hint of taste and it all went gurgley. Then I unscrewed the carto from the battery and found that it was all leaking out. So, I wiped it off and tried again. Faint burnt taste. Added more liquid, had more leaking and wiping. I'd get a hint of taste then burned, burned, burned tasting.

I guess I have to dry burn the coil again. When you do this, how long does it take? I did it until I could see the coil glowing down at the end of the tube and until there was no more smoke/vapor coming off. Then it smells terrible and rinsing doesn't get rid of the smell. Will the smell go away? When you guys do this does the carto still have a burned smell? Do I need to dry burn it longer, shorter?

I feel like an idiot. This didn't seem like it would be that difficult. ;)
 

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Well, I tried just removing the stuffing and dripping. This is what happened: First I got no taste. Then I got a hint of taste and it all went gurgley. Then I unscrewed the carto from the battery and found that it was all leaking out. So, I wiped it off and tried again. Faint burnt taste. Added more liquid, had more leaking and wiping. I'd get a hint of taste then burned, burned, burned tasting.

I guess I have to dry burn the coil again. When you do this, how long does it take? I did it until I could see the coil glowing down at the end of the tube and until there was no more smoke/vapor coming off. Then it smells terrible and rinsing doesn't get rid of the smell. Will the smell go away? When you guys do this does the carto still have a burned smell? Do I need to dry burn it longer, shorter?

I feel like an idiot. This didn't seem like it would be that difficult. ;)

It seems like you are doing things correctly. When I dry burn, I wait until the coil in the center tube glows red. I then rinse in water, shake it out, and dry burn again to dry the coil (wait until no more smoke). At that point, I don't get a burnt taste when dripping. Maybe you should dry burn some more (it doesn't seem to hurt). When dripping, are you dripping down the inside of the metal tube (not in the center)? Usually 2 or 3 drops is enough (wait a minute or so). If still nothing, add an additional drop and try again. Also, after you burn and clean, shine a flashlight down the tube. Is it relatively clean looking (wick and coil) or is it still 'gunky' looking?
 

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Well, I tried just removing the stuffing and dripping. This is what happened: First I got no taste. Then I got a hint of taste and it all went gurgley. Then I unscrewed the carto from the battery and found that it was all leaking out. So, I wiped it off and tried again. Faint burnt taste. Added more liquid, had more leaking and wiping. I'd get a hint of taste then burned, burned, burned tasting.

I guess I have to dry burn the coil again. When you do this, how long does it take? I did it until I could see the coil glowing down at the end of the tube and until there was no more smoke/vapor coming off. Then it smells terrible and rinsing doesn't get rid of the smell. Will the smell go away? When you guys do this does the carto still have a burned smell? Do I need to dry burn it longer, shorter?

I feel like an idiot. This didn't seem like it would be that difficult. ;)

Jeez, now I'm in a quandry over your problems. Many people use a stripped down gocart for dripping. I drip with one all the time. I slide 2 or three drops of juice down the sides of the carto shell and get 8 or 10 good puffs out of it before I have to add more drops. As far as dry burning the coil, on some the coil lights up within the first two or three dry burns. On others I've dry burned 12-15 times before the coil came back. When I do get a successful red coil I tip the empty carto upside down and tap it on the table and watch the dry bits of carbon residue come out the lip end. And there are a very few cartos that never come back and I throw these away. If you can't get a full flavored hit by direct dripping on a freshly dry burnt empty carto then there's no sense wasting time trying to refill it with fresh filler. Only thing I can think of is that you may have burnt the coil when you originally used it by running it dry. The burnt taste should disappear after you dry burn and try dripping with it.
Chopper's tanks are the snizzles and when they work, they work really good.
 

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I should change my user name to "Pervo" as I spend a lot of time lurking in the wings even though I have over a thousand posts. I guess I need to find a life. :)

Lurking always sounded so 'seedy' to me, like I'm looking for a chance to do something inappropriate. Anyway, Mohawk is right, I've repacked a couple of gocarts with blue foam (don't have any fluval), and the tank has increased my success on this front. With the extra 'flood pressure' of the juice from the tank, it seems that it is more forgiving with a not-so-perfect packing job. As long as I get the filler material all the way to the bottom (you can actually see it through the holes in the modified carto) it works fine. I've tried to modify carto's myself by cutting slots but Choppers carto's always worked better (he has the magic touch).
 

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When dripping, are you dripping down the inside of the metal tube (not in the center)? Usually 2 or 3 drops is enough (wait a minute or so). If still nothing, add an additional drop and try again. Also, after you burn and clean, shine a flashlight down the tube. Is it relatively clean looking (wick and coil) or is it still 'gunky' looking?

Yes, I'm dripping down the metal side, not the center. I will try shining a flashlight down and see what it looks like. The second time I dry burned (after I tried dripping) the coil started glowing pretty quickly, so I guess it wasn't that gunked up.

Hmmm, so when you all drip without filler, you don't have stuff leaking out of the bottom? Maybe somehow this one is busted. I'm not sure what the arrangement of stuff is on the inside, whether the center tube goes all the way down and all that.

I won't give up, but I may wait until I get another well used carto to experiment on. I think I will try dripping one more time with this one, with a different juice and see what happens. If that doesn't work I will put it away to monkey with at a later date.
 

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Never used the blue foam but I've had really great success experimenting with fluval in gocarts. Frankly, I think fluval is a superior filler medium than the factory filler, but that's just my opinion.

I had read similar opinions on the other thread (probably from you, but I can't remember) so I was very excited to try it. I'm sure it will work for me if I can just figure out what's going wrong.
 
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