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[Ryedan]

REO's might not be for the strict definition of "everybody"... but there really is a REO for everybody.

Even taking into account the first half of your sentence above, I disagree six. Have a look at this; click on 'Next Page' for market share data. IMO there are a lot more people very happily vaping eGo style or smaller hardware out there than everything else put together. I think most of those people will never get into something like a Reo, or a Provari.

There has been a large boom in sub-ohm vaping lately (sorry, I couldn't resist that one ), but I have the feeling that is still a small part of the vape world too.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Interesting thread, this.

The sense I got from the OP was "I have a hard time helping noobs these days because I have to resist just blurting out that, ultimately, this journey you're on is going to end in Reoville so why don't you save yourself some time and money".

Well, two things pop into my mind....

1) When I was 5 or 6, my dad taught me how to ride a bicycle. We lived in a small town with only gravel roads and lots of hills, and our house was at the top one. I cut my biking teeth on the level at the top of the hill by our house and then I got to take my first solo run. My dad said "have fun, but stay on the level up here -don't go down the hill". I rode to the end of our block, thought for a moment.... and headed straight down the hill. Still have scars on my knees to this day from the 'learning'. People often learn through experience, not advice, no matter how sound or wise the advice is.

I try to keep that in mind if I'm helping a noob. If they need/want to go down that gravel hill, I generally give them advice about how to tuck and roll when you crash, not talk them out of going down that hill.

2) I love my wife. She keeps me on the straight and narrow, and she has made it perfectly clear to me - this whole reo love affair is because I've found the perfect device... for me. She prefers her provari and, more recently, VS rDNA 30 with a nautilus tank and the new BVC coil units. It checks all the boxes on her list. Her list. Not mine. Yup, it gurgles. Sure, it's an inferior vape (she admits). But... it works for her and the value/importance she puts on vaping in her life.

She is a daily reminder to me that vaping is personal and subjective, not absolute.


Sooo... armed with this knowledge, I actually don't mind going into the new member area and helping with battery or clearo questions.

 

[six]

Even taking into account the first half of your sentence above, I disagree six. Have a look at this; click on 'Next Page' for market share data. IMO there are a lot more people very happily vaping eGo style or smaller hardware out there than everything else put together. I think most of those people will never get into something like a Reo, or a Provari.

I might have misunderstood something earlier in the thread. I thought we were talking about the appropriateness of recommending the REO to those looking for a mod or folks already using devices like tanks (clearos were specifically mentioned), having problems with what they use, and expressing their frustration that they are having problems.... when the solution is often, "Quit using that junk."

Indeed. The vast majority of vapers are probably using gas station cig-a-likes and egos with cartos. Most of those are probably pretty happy with what they have. And, really, very few of those are asking questions on ECF.

My thought: One of the paid for by big pharma studies that got quoted in the news for a few months said only 20% or something like that were able to quit using tobacco with e-cigs. They touted that as evidence that the ~30% "success" rate for patches and gum was a better bet... Of course, I struggle to beleive the 20% nonsense... but even if they had just one group of 20 people using gas station cig-a-likes who only had 4 people able to stop using tobacco.... imagine what that number would have been if they would have had even marginally better equipment. Imagine what it would have been if they would have all had REOs + RMs + good instructions, help, and support from a community like ECF.

 

[Tbev]

I only read your first post, but I did also read the post your referring to about buying a reo. A bottom feeder is the ultimate setup imo and most people who have them.
I didn't buy a reo BC I wanted to run lower ohm builds than it would handle, so I built my own, it's F ING awesome, I love it, I still play with other stuff, but my feeder kills it!

 

[David1975]

Thank you all for the info I guess I should give some back ground for myself, kind of show where I'm at and what I'm missing... or looking to simplify with a Reo. I started off like most noobs should with a tank and replaceable coil, it worked enough I quit smoking 6-7 months ago Started getting ...... at the $12 for 3 coil deal, so being a mechanic/welder who likes to tinker, I tore one apart. Looked familiar to things I've rebuilt at work, so I searched Google to find out what kind of wire this was inside, found mines not good to rebuild, but what wire and gauge to use, More importantly, what to buy next (Protank) so I can "fix" the coils. After a while tearing these things down, ripping gaskets and just getting tired of the work I bought a Kayfun and SID. I like the ease at which this was rebuilt, hated the draining of the tank. I still use the Kayfun's everyday. Everything was great, till the SID died. This lead me to look for a more durable MOD, something without the weakness of a chip that can break easily and do so at the most inconvenient time. Picked up a Caravela and IMR Efest batteries....I don't sub ohm, but knew if they are safe for that amp draw, my 1.4-2.0 would be just fine. Eventually I picked up Magma dripper and K100 MOD with 18350 batteries so I could be more "stealthy" while vaping..... As a mechanic in a shop of jokers..... I was kinda getting looks when sucking on an almost 8in bright silver MOD at work :-/ LOL I like the dripper for it's ease and quickness of cleaning. Someone previously compared it to a Reo... simply pull the cotton, burn, and replace to cotton, but I also hate it, having to drip drop after drop, wipe it down if I drip too many drops.... dawned on me THIS is the definition of insanity(doing the same thing over and over again, while getting the same results). So, seems to me, a Reo would give me those things I like about a dripper while eliminating the thing I got annoyed with(dripping), and do so with an all in one device. So, ya.... seems to me this is my next purchase

 

[Rickajho]

Thank you all for the info I guess I should give some back ground for myself, kind of show where I'm at and what I'm missing... or looking to simplify with a Reo. I started off like most noobs should with a tank and replaceable coil, it worked enough I quit smoking 6-7 months ago Started getting ...... at the $12 for 3 coil deal, so being a mechanic/welder who likes to tinker, I tore one apart. Looked familiar to things I've rebuilt at work, so I searched Google to find out what kind of wire this was inside, found mines not good to rebuild, but what wire and gauge to use, More importantly, what to buy next (Protank) so I can "fix" the coils. After a while tearing these things down, ripping gaskets and just getting tired of the work I bought a Kayfun and SID. I like the ease at which this was rebuilt, hated the draining of the tank. I still use the Kayfun's everyday. Everything was great, till the SID died. This lead me to look for a more durable MOD, something without the weakness of a chip that can break easily and do so at the most inconvenient time. Picked up a Caravela and IMR Efest batteries....I don't sub ohm, but knew if they are safe for that amp draw, my 1.4-2.0 would be just fine. Eventually I picked up Magma dripper and K100 MOD with 18350 batteries so I could be more "stealthy" while vaping..... As a mechanic in a shop of jokers..... I was kinda getting looks when sucking on an almost 8in bright silver MOD at work :-/ LOL I like the dripper for it's ease and quickness of cleaning. Someone previously compared it to a Reo... simply pull the cotton, burn, and replace to cotton, but I also hate it, having to drip drop after drop, wipe it down if I drip too many drops.... dawned on me THIS is the definition of insanity(doing the same thing over and over again, while getting the same results). So, seems to me, a Reo would give me those things I like about a dripper while eliminating the thing I got annoyed with(dripping), and do so with an all in one device. So, ya.... seems to me this is my next purchase

Yup - all that. A Reo turns dripping into a single handed operation. (I really think we need to call it something other than dripping. But that's for another thread I want to start.) It's a very short learning curve to squonking without looking at anything or thinking about it. Your bottle capacity in a Grand is up to 6 ml's so - based on your habits now how long will that take you through the day before refilling?

Very pocket friendly. Some place here we have a photo of a Grand next to a business card. Really not much different than that. And since it isn't long and top heavy it won't be falling out all over the place.

The mechanic in you is gonna love this thing. A Reo can look quite unimpressive in photos but once you get it in hand you will see how well these things are carved out of that block of aluminum. Even the 510 connector is beautiful. (It is to me anyway.) Run it over with a car. Been known to happen - keeps working. And if those jokers get out of hand at work let them know you might be tempted to take a shot at them with your Reo. It won't hurt the Reo anyway.

Under the worst possible of circumstances: If you hated a Reo you could sell it in the ECF classifieds and only be out 10 to 20% of what you paid. They hold their value.

 

[Ryedan]

So I like trying to help people out with their set ups. I'm not super knowledgeable or anything but I know what I know & want to help anyone just starting out move in the right direction for them.

HST I find it incredibly frustrating trying to help these days. Ever since I got my REOs & worked out my issues (ISSUE really as it was just one & took a minute to fix lol) I find it hard to answer questions about where someone should go from, say, problematic Protanks & such.

Many years ago I remember someone posting a thread where they basically said, new members do yourself a favor & just buy a REO & skip all the other stuff (because he felt it was just the most efficient). I remember thinking 2 things about this thread. 1. I don't like the look of those mods so I don't want one (lol). I didn't have any problems with my set up so there was no reason to consider it, therefore I did not. 2. A LOT of people did not appreciate that poster basically implying that everyone should just get that type set up. I don't know why really. I just remember reading a lot of comments criticizing his suggestion.

Now that I have moved onto the REO (I didn't need something different then but when it was time to "upgrade" I remembered that guy's post) I completely understand why that guy posted that thread. Every time I see someone asking for help with this tank or that clearo, etc., I have to resist the urge to jump on the thread & tell them, look you're NEVER going to completely fix your problems with the clearo. You need to get a REO & be done with it (lol).

So I'm curious, when someone has posted a problem with something you KNOW will always be somewhat a problem (ie hit or miss on clearo head quality) what advice do you give?

I might have misunderstood something earlier in the thread. I thought we were talking about the appropriateness of recommending the REO to those looking for a mod or folks already using devices like tanks (clearos were specifically mentioned), having problems with what they use, and expressing their frustration that they are having problems.... when the solution is often, "Quit using that junk."

I quoted all of the OP because it's a page back now and this will save someone from going back if they want to see it again. In my post #40, after reading the OP I quoted the question he asked, the last sentence in his post and addressed that. Yes the thread had been moving along with a lot of discussion about the appropriateness of recommending a REO to those having problems with other gear and that had been in the OP's preamble leading up to the question, but I felt the actual question asked was not being addressed. Now, I could be wrong and Zealous might have had the intent to simply discuss recommending Reos, but that's not what he wrote. It had also already been talked about so I left it alone. As I said, I try to look for what the poster is actually asking and address that

Indeed. The vast majority of vapers are probably using gas station cig-a-likes and egos with cartos. Most of those are probably pretty happy with what they have. And, really, very few of those are asking questions on ECF.

My thought: One of the paid for by big pharma studies that got quoted in the news for a few months said only 20% or something like that were able to quit using tobacco with e-cigs. They touted that as evidence that the ~30% "success" rate for patches and gum was a better bet... Of course, I struggle to beleive the 20% nonsense... but even if they had just one group of 20 people using gas station cig-a-likes who only had 4 people able to stop using tobacco.... imagine what that number would have been if they would have had even marginally better equipment. Imagine what it would have been if they would have all had REOs + RMs + good instructions, help, and support from a community like ECF.

I totally agree six. I had focused on your suggestion that there is a Reo for almost everyone. Honestly, I doubt that's true for even the ECF crowd, but hey, I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time

 

[Zealous]

Ryedan, you addressed the actual question I presented. But I agree with what Six said & appreciate his input.

The thing for me is that, while I do completely understand that the REO is a more advanced device for more experienced vapers, I also think it's not as complex as rebuilding coils on Protanks. I just don't think it is. The one thing that makes it more complex is the fact that it's a mech, but if someone were to use it with a Kick then they would have the protection of a regulated mod. And using it with a rebuildable is not required in order to enjoy it, although I personally think it's best used with a rebuildable,

I do agree though that for many of the mainstream vapers it would probably not be their first choice just because of form factor & the fact that it LOOKS more complex. That's what I thought when I saw that guy's post years ago. But now I've changed my mind after experimenting with other toppers & mods simply because it's obvious to me that this device is just the most problem free set up.

I'm thinking that, while it might not be the right device for a particular vaper right now, it might be something they will eventually be lead to as they experiment with other devices.

 

[Ryedan]

Ryedan, you addressed the actual question I presented. But I agree with what Six said & appreciate his input.

You are a scholar and a gentleman Zealous

The thing for me is that, while I do completely understand that the REO is a more advanced device for more experienced vapers, I also think it's not as complex as rebuilding coils on Protanks. I just don't think it is. The one thing that makes it more complex is the fact that it's a mech, but if someone were to use it with a Kick then they would have the protection of a regulated mod. And using it with a rebuildable is not required in order to enjoy it, although I personally think it's best used with a rebuildable,

I do agree though that for many of the mainstream vapers it would probably not be their first choice just because of form factor & the fact that it LOOKS more complex. That's what I thought when I saw that guy's post years ago. But now I've changed my mind after experimenting with other toppers & mods simply because it's obvious to me that this device is just the most problem free set up.

I'm thinking that, while it might not be the right device for a particular vaper right now, it might be something they will eventually be lead to as they experiment with other devices.

I've got to agree completely with you on all this.

I think you can get a feel for when someone is ready to appreciate a Reo. For whatever reason, it can come early or it can take a while and that's OK. Things happen in their own good time. All we can do is continue to talk about it, expose more people to information about Reos and let them take the next step when they feel ready.

Works for me anyway

 

[vlodato]

The interesting thing is besides knowing when to change your batteries I think a reo/non-rebuildable atty(Cisco, etc) is easier to understand then a ego /clero setup. When draw gets tight either clean or toss the atty and get a new one. Don't have to worry about DOA heads or leaking or what to set the volts/watts to. Just screw in the atty. Squonk and go

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