GotVapes PHOENiX RAVENS

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The other thing is that one of the spare carts has just the tiniest slit as an opening. I'm not sure how well you can see it here but the hole on the inside doesn't line up with the slot.

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I think this shows quality control is for poop.
 

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**Respectfully snipped ** BTW, I've read the whole thread on this, and I certainly don't blame GV for any of it.

I agree....not GV's fault. I've only ordered one time before this from GV, but they seem to enjoy a pretty good reputation, so I think they will make things right. Of course, I only risked the cost of 1 Raven....the balance of my order was for VN heads! LOL
 

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Okay, so I discovered something interesting. With the Cryptonite 8 Version 3s we tested in Alpha, one of the ways to get it to wick properly was to blow into it rather than taking a primer puff. So, I tried it with these. Don't have to blow into it hard, just small and light.

It actually worked for me :?: I don't know why. Now, it's not perfect and it does go dry eventually, but it's wicking and I'm tasting my juice quite well. There isn't as much vapor at first which I guess is because it kinda maybe floods it, too, though I haven't had any leaking. I just know when the Phoenixes flood, the vapor goes down to next to nothing. This isn't nearly as bad as that. Edited to add: The decreased vapor only lasts for like 2 draws or so. Sometimes the vapor is fine.

If any of you try that let me know what happens or if I'm just extraordinarily lucky. Because one puff into it for every 10 or so puffs from it is okay with me.
 
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UPDATE: I let the tank sit for about an hour and tried using it again; I am getting slightly better results but nowhere in the same league as the phoenix bottom coil cartos. Still have dry hits about 1 in 4 vapes but is slightly improved. Air draw is still way to loose. All in all still very disappointed with performance but it is working slightly better
 

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ALPHA is for supplier's/manufacturers who don't necessarily have a track record with us. The Phoenix Raven comes from the manufacturer of arguably the most successful and widely praised carto ever introduced...

Based on both the Telescope and the Ravens, I think you need to rethink what the alpha should be for, or create a beta at the very least.
 

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Based on both the Telescope and the Ravens, I think you need to rethink what the alpha should be for, or create a beta at the very least.

The manufacturer should provide these free for testing, we should just be paying or shipping if they want us to test for them. I think GV is doing the community a favor by providing Alpha, im not in alpha, i dont think its fair to put this on GV at all seeing as the manufacturer made a big decision single handedly.

I DO think gotvapes should hire a fluent chinese linguist to interface with the manufacturer though.
 

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Just put 3 dripper fulls of 6mg Hush into my 5ml Raven tank with a 2.5 ohm Raven carto. I don't know PG/VG ratio but it's pretty thin. Put it on an eGo, forgot to put in a couple primer drops, but did give it two mighty dry pulls (fire button not pressed.) I was expecting to see a bubble or two from the carto holes, but nothing. Did a few puffs for real and got pretty nasty dry hits, however there was a bit of vapor. Two more dry puffs, then more real puffs, but only got a scratchy throat with a bit of vapor. I switched to my Provari and set it to 2.9V. No difference.
Then I had an idea. Instead of dry puffs, I did a couple of huge dry BLOWS into the plastic drip tip. I got 3 or 4 big bubbles out of one carto hole. Didn't follow with any dry puffs. The following real puffs were pretty good, not much vapor but good taste and no dry hits. Did a few minutes of some chain-vaping and some pauses between puffs. Cranked up voltage to 3.7V. Vapor got better. After 10 more minutes, it was starting to get a bit scratchy, so blew a couple times into the plastic drip tip and resumed puffing. Got some gurgling, but that eventually went away - and it started getting scratchy again. I, or it, seem to be stuck in a loop. I'm gonna rest my throat for a while, and will report anything new or different tonight or tomorrow.
Wing commander Blownaway reporting, over and out.
 

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May be worth it to put all totally new products into alpha first, even if you do get a large order of them in put up 10-20 up in alpha so the alpha people can give them a go before a few hundred get shipped out. Worth a few more days wait to verify that everything is as it should be.

Lastly a visual inspection prolly should have been done before these were shipped out which would brought the design change to light before they were shipped out to the public.

This might be a good idea, HOWEVER... it seems these folks in China like making MAJOR design changes without informing Dan or Chris about it. Just change it and ship seems to be their policy. Even if the item is in Alpha and they get rave reviews, who is to say that when Got Vapes Main Lines the item, the folks in China want make a MAJOR change to the design between the Alpha and Mail Line orders and NOT tell Dan or Chris.

If I recall, this happened with the Saphires and the Stardust. We all loved the first run of both of these but the second run, well, changes were made. The Saphire never tasted nor functioned the same for me after the first run.. LORD I loved the first run Saphires.. and the Stardust tubes were a nightmare to get off etc etc etc on the second run.

As for a "visual inspection".. good point but (i will have to go back and read again to make sure hehe) but me thinks Dan said he never got a hold of a Raven during testing etc. Chris was handling the shipping then and I think Dan said the first time he saw or used a Raven was when they arrived a few days again. This is why when he filled one up, he did not realize the seal was not there.

Both good suggestions here but in the Alpha, who knows what they will get when they order Main Line runs. This is where the visual and testing would be a benefit. Check a few random items BEFORE shipping any of them out. No matter how HUGE the demand, begs and pleadings are.

Not only does it appear the China factory rushed this, but us customers were not to patient when the tracking was posted for these. We were on pins and needles tearing this forum up waiting for them to hit the buy page. :)


Maybe a lesson is to be learned here. Let the folks know a new item is coming. Don't tear the forums up with oh they are coming. Just you wait. Oh you will love this etc etc etc. This gets everyone in a frenzy waiting for the new item and frustrated that it is not here yet. When the item does arrive, well, we ain't too patient hahaha we wants em right then hehe

Also, even though the tracking was fun, it might not be a good idea on a item that has soooo many people excited to get their hands on. If we do not know they are in Got Vapes hands, then we want be hounding Dan to get them uploaded so we can get our fingers on them. :laugh:

This will give Dan time to evaluate the items first to make certain there were no changes during the last mftr run.

Maybe just quickly opening one or two of them to do a video is not a good idea. Yes, Dan got lucky that the one he did select did not give him one mother load of a dry hit when he took his first toot off of it :ohmy: like most of us seem to be getting.

If he would have not felt SO hounded, had more time and tested a few of them, he would have said ....whoa wait a minute this ain't good, possibly contacted Chris, ask what he was doing wrong, sent him a photo etc and chris would have known right off the bat that this was wrong.

Of course, this is suggestion ONLY. Just me own humblest opinion...:)
 
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The manufacturer should provide these free for testing, we should just be paying or shipping if they want us to test for them. I think GV is doing the community a favor by providing Alpha, im not in alpha, i dont think its fair to put this on GV at all seeing as the manufacturer made a big decision single handedly.
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I'm not putting it on GV. I'm just suggesting that before making the first production run of a product available, that they use the alpha program to test it, or create a beta program for "known" manufacturers. That way, issues like this would be caught before they ship out to the general consuming public, and GV wouldn't have to waste large amounts of time and resources in order to fix problems.
 
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Okay, so I discovered something interesting. With the Cryptonite 8 Version 3s we tested in Alpha, one of the ways to get it to wick properly was to blow into it rather than taking a primer puff. So, I tried it with these. Don't have to blow into it hard, just small and light.

It actually worked for me :?: I don't know why. Now, it's not perfect and it does go dry eventually, but it's wicking and I'm tasting my juice quite well. There isn't as much vapor at first which I guess is because it kinda maybe floods it, too, though I haven't had any leaking. I just know when the Phoenixes flood, the vapor goes down to next to nothing. This isn't nearly as bad as that. Edited to add: The decreased vapor only lasts for like 2 draws or so. Sometimes the vapor is fine.

If any of you try that let me know what happens or if I'm just extraordinarily lucky. Because one puff into it for every 10 or so puffs from it is okay with me.

For real, I just finished a tank I'd filled earlier using this method. It doesn't make up for the manufacturer's horrific sin against Phoenixes everywhere, but it definitely makes it tolerable.
 

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This video was on the GV site while the Ravens were available. It was posted by GV on August 12 to YouTube. No telling when it was shot. It clearly shows the center post and seal. It looks like the manufacturer shot it.



I guess at the end of the day this is the manufacturers product. Not GV's. So, they probably feel (and they're probably right) that they have the right to modify it. The failure is that they didn't really say (or it wasn't communicated to us, the public) what modifications they were making to improve it. So, we have no way to verify that they've done what they intended. We have to accept that they meant to do this. I do think are trying to save face. Especially after what Danno posted about them sending samples of "old style" and a new modification. I'd be willing to bet a new improved raven that the new modification has a center post and is actually what they meant to ship.

Thinking back, I recall Danno posting somewhere that most of the manufacturer's modifications had to do with how the assembly line was working and quality control not really about the performance of the product.
 
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