Grand terrace vapor general discussion thread & reviews!!

[Carolina Vapoor]

Unfortunately I cant use paypal as I was warned vapor stuff is not legal for them. No one is actually allowed to use paypal for anything vape related though I see tons of people get away with it.

I will have to go another avenue as paypal made me remove all my paypal options on my webstore.

RML

Grrr...While it is a shame, this does not surprise me at all. This leaves you with only a couple options. You can use someone like stamps.com or do it through the usps.com. You should try it on usps.com first just to see if it is something that you feel is worth the time for the savings. When I first started I simply printed my label on paper and taped them to the box. You just have to be careful and make sure tape is smooth and crinkle free if you tape over the bar-code so that the scanners can read it. Other than that no big deal.

The only thing that was steeped was the multiple items we had for use and other local friends to test. I really wanted to tone it up a touch more, but it was getting closer to the time I promised it would be available. You will be able to sample it out of the package but as always, it will get better with some breathing and time. I decided to give out the 25% off since I have even feedback across the board of, just right, a little more, and a little less. I will gather the feedback from you and the other fine forum members who may wish to offer some advice.

RML

Think I might try straight out of the mail box and then give it a hot water steep.

 

[Carolina Vapoor]

I've seen a couple of threads that talked about paypal blacking anything to do with vape and ecig. Was just on a thread and the vendor had their paypal acct shutdown or whatever - now they're trying to figure out how to accept payments. Can't figure why they want to kill off what is probably a sizable number of transactions that would bring them revenue. Guess they figure it might cause bad press if the general public realized they were enabling our so called dirty habit.
Glad that I don't rely on paypal for anything. I usually try to avoid using it unless I absolutely have to.

I had my PP account frozen one time and it took me forever to get it unfrozen. It was all over shipping Detroit Diesel fuel injector cleaning kits internationally. Paypal claimed that it had reason to believe that potential "Bad Guys" were buying them and thus I was helping them maintain their vehicles in order to fight against U.S. soldiers. Now here is the kicker; I sold and shipped 14 of the kits internationally. Out of those 14 all but 2 of them went to American military bases.

 

[readmylips]

I've seen a couple of threads that talked about paypal blacking anything to do with vape and ecig. Was just on a thread and the vendor had their paypal acct shutdown or whatever - now they're trying to figure out how to accept payments. Can't figure why they want to kill off what is probably a sizable number of transactions that would bring them revenue. Guess they figure it might cause bad press if the general public realized they were enabling our so called dirty habit.
Glad that I don't rely on paypal for anything. I usually try to avoid using it unless I absolutely have to.

The shipping thing I had been rather quiet about because I know it was another vendor who reported me using paypal. And the shipping like you said paypals response was " until it receives rules and regulations from the FDA and is no longer a grey area then we will reinstate your account"

RML

 

[readmylips]

Grrr...While it is a shame, this does not surprise me at all. This leaves you with only a couple options. You can use someone like stamps.com or do it through the usps.com. You should try it on usps.com first just to see if it is something that you feel is worth the time for the savings. When I first started I simply printed my label on paper and taped them to the box. You just have to be careful and make sure tape is smooth and crinkle free if you tape over the bar-code so that the scanners can read it. Other than that no big deal.



Think I might try straight out of the mail box and then give it a hot water steep.

Been looking at stamps.com I like what I see so far. who did you use for your boxes? uline?

Give it a quick check so you have a baseline idea. I semi steeped it for you. But nothing beats time and a little air exchange everyday till it mellows out to perfection.

I don't know what you will think the flavor is, but I assure you of this. This time it does have cantaloupe in it as the main flavor.

RML

 

[readmylips]

I had my PP account frozen one time and it took me forever to get it unfrozen. It was all over shipping Detroit Diesel fuel injector cleaning kits internationally. Paypal claimed that it had reason to believe that potential "Bad Guys" were buying them and thus I was helping them maintain their vehicles in order to fight against U.S. soldiers. Now here is the kicker; I sold and shipped 14 of the kits internationally. Out of those 14 all but 2 of them went to American military bases.

LOL the government and their infinite wisdom. Surprised they did not send a few triple letter agency's to check you out. or maybe, they have.......

RML

 

[Carolina Vapoor]

Been looking at stamps.com I like what I see so far. who did you use for your boxes? uline?

Give it a quick check so you have a baseline idea. I semi steeped it for you. But nothing beats time and a little air exchange everyday till it mellows out to perfection.

I don't know what you will think the flavor is, but I assure you of this. This time it does have cantaloupe in it as the main flavor.

RML

I ordered all my Priority Mail boxes from usps.com. They are "Free" and they ship them to your doorstep for free as well. All my smaller boxes that I used for "First Class" i ordered from Uline.

LOL the government and their infinite wisdom. Surprised they did not send a few triple letter agency's to check you out. or maybe, they have.......

RML

 

[readmylips]

I ordered all my Priority Mail boxes from usps.com. They are "Free" and they ship them to your doorstep for free as well. All my smaller boxes that I used for "First Class" i ordered from Uline.

thank you for the information Carolina Vapoor.

It appears we are going to start adding more of the flavors we offered before, back onto the website.

Did you still think the Green Apple was too faint? at any higher percent it will never really increase on the inhale, but it will increase exhale robustness.

RML

 

[readmylips]

I am debating giving up my forum supplier status and going back to regular member. I feel much to restricted not being able to participate in so many areas of the forum board. I will read stuff and want to comment so bad but I am not allowed due to it being an item we offer on our page.

Being excluded from pretty much every single section of the board and every single conversation or thread is getting boring. we will most likely do this till the end of the year or the end of the 1 year that we already paid for, so if you're interested in anything we craft get it now because once I turn back into a regular board member I cant sell things or offer items to other board members.

Hopefully something will change with how suppliers are allowed to interact on the forums with other members. I am a vaper first and a business second. And my little title is restricting me from enjoying other vapers.

RML

 

[Carolina Vapoor]

Yeah "Registered Suppliers" are very limited in what they can do and where they can post in the forums. "Forum Supplier" is the way to go because you basically have your own sub forum. I think the waiting list for "Forum Supplier" is 1.5 to 2 years though.

Something that I am not clear on in regards to being a "Registered Supplier" - The say that you can only have 2 open threads for advertising. Does that mean you can only have 2 open threads period, meaning any thread you start would be considered an advertising thread simply because you are a registered supplier? I would think you could have as many open threads as you want. The catch would be that "YOU" could not post anything related to your business in those threads. As soon as you make a comment about anything related to your business then it would become an advertising thread. It has been a while since I have read the rules so I might be wrong.

I know that you can not post in the new members forum or another suppliers forum (unless you have contacted them and they give you permission.) I have mixed feelings about suppliers not being able to post in new members forum. As long as they do not promote their business in any way I do not see why it would be a problem. There are several vendors that are seasoned vapers and have a wealth of knowledge to offer new vapers. They can not do so here unless that new vaper happens to stumble into that suppliers forum.

 

[Carolina Vapoor]

You can still sell and have your website, you just can not promote it in anyway here on ECF...right?!?

 

[CountBoredom]

Can registered suppliers interact on other supplier's threads so long as they are not advertising?

 

[Carolina Vapoor]

Suppliers, Affiliates, Manufacturers etc
We want to keep the forums clear of spam and self-promotion so.......

• If you are an e-cigarette supplier/affiliate/manufacturer etc, you must get in touch with Site Admin at: supplier@e-cigarette-forum.com
• .....to identify yourself before you start posting in the forums. Failure to do this may result in an immediate ban.
• Once you have applied and your registration as a Supplier is successful:
• You must not promote your products or send members promotional messages through the private message system without their having contacted you first. If you are reported as having done this and evidence is seen you will be banned with no warning
• If you are promoting any other product than e-cigarettes you must also get in touch with Site Admin to make sure your product is appropriate for the forum.
• You may not post in the review section, or make any posts which reference your own products or solicit for business, except in the Suppliers Forum. You may reply to any thread in the Reviews of Suppliers forum that is posted about your business only.
• You may not post in the New Members Forum.
• Suppliers have restrictions to what they may use in their signatures. Refer to the Supplier Forum Permissions thread in the Announcements to Suppliers forum to see which limitations apply to you.
• Suppliers cannot post negative material about other suppliers or their products or service or prices, whether they are ECF Suppliers or not.
• You are free to contribute to any discussion in most other forums providing you follow the above rules.
• You may not use the blog system to promote or solicit your business or products.
• You may not post in any Suppliers' forums or threads other than your own without the permission of the Supplier that the forum or thread belongs to.
• Suppliers can use one of their advertising threads for a contest. They may only run one contest at a time. Contest threads must be closed when they reach 2000 posts (exception: Forum Suppliers within their dedicated forums).
• You must not use the tag system under any circumstances. If you do so you risk losing your posting privileges for a set period of time.
• You must not use the PM system to promote your product without prior permission - ie no cold calling. This will be treated as spam, and you will be banned.
• You may not have a 3rd party make promotional posts on your behalf. If this is found to be the case both you and the 3rd party will be banned.
• Only ONE ID permitted to represent the business. Only the Supplier that is registered can promote or advertise the business and address any customer service related issues on ECF. Associates are not permitted.

(exception: Forum Suppliers, those with dedicated forums are permitted Associates)

The above is quoted from HERE. According to the rules it is not allowed without prior permission.

 

[readmylips]

Yeah "Registered Suppliers" are very limited in what they can do and where they can post in the forums. "Forum Supplier" is the way to go because you basically have your own sub forum. I think the waiting list for "Forum Supplier" is 1.5 to 2 years though.

Something that I am not clear on in regards to being a "Registered Supplier" - The say that you can only have 2 open threads for advertising. Does that mean you can only have 2 open threads period, meaning any thread you start would be considered an advertising thread simply because you are a registered supplier? I would think you could have as many open threads as you want. The catch would be that "YOU" could not post anything related to your business in those threads. As soon as you make a comment about anything related to your business then it would become an advertising thread. It has been a while since I have read the rules so I might be wrong.

I know that you can not post in the new members forum or another suppliers forum (unless you have contacted them and they give you permission.) I have mixed feelings about suppliers not being able to post in new members forum. As long as they do not promote their business in any way I do not see why it would be a problem. There are several vendors that are seasoned vapers and have a wealth of knowledge to offer new vapers. They can not do so here unless that new vaper happens to stumble into that suppliers forum.

It is two threads period. Of any kind. advertising, chit chatting, q and a section. The rules for why they do that is because some people were just spam bumping the boards to stay on top with multiple open threads. There are many vendors who do have to share the site so I do in fact understand the point of open threads in this section. I do however disagree with us not being able to interact in the general population though.

My best guess would be that someone has been exceptionally boundary pushing of being a helpful fellow vaper vs being a self promoting douche. There is where the problem starts. Someone like me who would like to just enjoy also being part of the vape community because of my love of making liquid and all the hobby aspects of the industry are excluded and therefore do not really get to join in on making relationships or helping to really expand the knowledge base because it is seen as self promotion.

I would even be willing to settle for a second identity account that just makes no mention of what business I am affiliated with so I could be part of the group as well.
Even then I cant even see why it really makes all the big of a difference. Many folks here have custom signature blocks which direct people to a vendor. What difference would it really make if a vendor who actually did in fact have pertinent information for other vapers did in fact join conversations in the general population, was helpful, and nice, would it really be a big deal that a vendor who took the extra time to cultivate and foster relationships-be restricted from being a part of the over all community?

The only downside I can see is the few self promoters who just gave any old answer and did not actually offer a value oriented piece of information. *shrugs*


I am sure there is more to it than my narrow view from where I sit, But I have yet to really see anything that points to us being restricted from being part of it all.
RML

 

[readmylips]

You can still sell and have your website, you just can not promote it in anyway here on ECF...right?!?

That is correct. I would assume if i do in fact end up not renewing my supplier status that I will have to change my name and most likely not use a banner that links to my site since it is mine. vs everyone else who has sig blocks that link to sites they like since they do not own them and it is an opinion vs an advertisement of that business.

RML

 

[readmylips]

Can registered suppliers interact on other supplier's threads so long as they are not advertising?

No. not without first being invited into that thread by the business owner.

RML

 

[Carolina Vapoor]

From the first day I joined ECF and read all the rules I have seen a lot of gray areas as well as things that did not make much sense. I am assuming there are valid reasons for each and every rule. I am sure sure like you said there was a vendor(s) that was more or less spamming the threads. I do agree with you that suppliers should NOT be alienated from the rest of the forum though. They have a system in place to "Punish" those that break the rules. So I think they should implement guidelines that allow suppliers to join the rest of the community as long as they are not promoting their items.

Like I said earlier "Forum Supplier" is where it is at. You basically get your own sub-forum and are allowed many threads in that sub forum.

 

[readmylips]

From the first day I joined ECF and read all the rules I have seen a lot of gray areas as well as things that did not make much sense. I am assuming there are valid reasons for each and every rule. I am sure sure like you said there was a vendor(s) that was more or less spamming the threads. I do agree with you that suppliers should NOT be alienated from the rest of the forum though. They have a system in place to "Punish" those that break the rules. So I think they should implement guidelines that allow suppliers to join the rest of the community as long as they are not promoting their items.

Like I said earlier "Forum Supplier" is where it is at. You basically get your own sub-forum and are allowed many threads in that sub forum.

There are some areas I am allowed to participate, but it is restricted hard because I offer a cross section of stuff. Basically It comes down to hows the weather. I cant mention mods, liquid, batteries, supplies, pretty much anything and everything that is my passion about vaping.

I would love to get into the other section you mentioned but as you said, it is a 1.5 year wait at this point. I still would want to join in on the e liquid forums though and other areas. I will just have to be content for now with how the system is set up, but I am hoping that it might have a small change in the near future to be a bit more flexible for us in between vendors who are not forum members and not full fledged suppliers with our own sub forums.

RML

 

[Carolina Vapoor]

Carolina Cantaloupe

Straight out of the mail box. Actually a pretty good vape. The flavor profile seems to be very mellow and laid back. It does have sweet cantaloupe taste and is not overly sweet. I think there might be an additional flavor but I can not pinpoint it if there is. Sometimes I think I taste a little something extra but who knows.

I love the fact that it is more of a natural cantaloupe taste rather than a candy taste. As of now I believe a bit more flavor should be added and maybe just a tad of sweetener. Not sure about the sweetener as a bit more flavor might add the right amount of sweetness to it. Of course after it steeps all the above might change. Also worth noting is that I have only vaped in a dripper. After it steeps I will test in RDA, RBA, and a ProTank or something similar.

Gear used:
Magneto (18650 mode)
Tobh clone setup with 0.5ohm dual coil; wicked with boiled organic cotton
Fully charged battery

 

[readmylips]

Carolina Cantaloupe

Straight out of the mail box. Actually a pretty good vape. The flavor profile seems to be very mellow and laid back. It does have sweet cantaloupe taste and is not overly sweet. I think there might be an additional flavor but I can not pinpoint it if there is. Sometimes I think I taste a little something extra but who knows.

I love the fact that it is more of a natural cantaloupe taste rather than a candy taste. As of now I believe a bit more flavor should be added and maybe just a tad of sweetener. Not sure about the sweetener as a bit more flavor might add the right amount of sweetness to it. Of course after it steeps all the above might change. Also worth noting is that I have only vaped in a dripper. After it steeps I will test in RDA, RBA, and a ProTank or something similar.

Gear used:
Magneto (18650 mode)
Tobh clone setup with 0.5ohm dual coil; wicked with boiled organic cotton
Fully charged battery

Carolina Cantaloupe


Straight out of the mail box. Actually a pretty good vape. The flavor profile seems to be very mellow and laid back. It does have sweet cantaloupe taste and is not overly sweet. I think there might be an additional flavor but I can not pinpoint it if there is. Sometimes I think I taste a little something extra but who knows.


I love the fact that it is more of a natural cantaloupe taste rather than a candy taste. As of now I believe a bit more flavor should be added and maybe just a tad of sweetener. Not sure about the sweetener as a bit more flavor might add the right amount of sweetness to it. Of course after it steeps all the above might change. Also worth noting is that I have only vaped in a dripper. After it steeps I will test in RDA, RBA, and a ProTank or something similar.


Gear used:
Magneto (18650 mode)
Tobh clone setup with 0.5ohm dual coil; wicked with boiled organic cotton
Fully charged battery

You are in fact correct on tasting other flavors I will look at bumping the sweetness and flavor for you. Do you feel it has enough tart or was that portion of the melon ok?


And yes please do steep that long and let me know again. Surprised you liked it at all on a fresh bottle. I am ready for another flavor release. This one took 5 weeks before it was decent, and i mean 5 weeks steeping. Prior to that all I got from it was meh, meh, semi meh, meh sorta not so meh and more ... is that crazy off flavor. Now it is pure blueberry and cream fantastical ness in my mouth.


So, like I always say please do in fact drip it a bit and give it a check as some flavors are vapeable right off the line, but even those become so much flavorful after some time melding together, others are pure crap for weeks or months.


I am going to add in a new section to the website soon with limited release pre steeped juice, but It will definitely cost more, but for those who are more budget constrained we will still offer affordable options and notes in your order to give you some guidance on the steeping time you will need to perform before your juice becomes aged just right.


Actually there will be a small website revamp since my vendor agreements ran out. It will be a very minor change but it will offer a bit more flexibility to those who still want value priced offering and willing to take on a few of the finishing steps of steeping themselves. We will still be geared towards tasty cloud production though. I am definitely mildly allergic to PG so all our house blend is 100% vg minus what is added for the flavoring. Different vendors say it different ways, some claim 100% vg but there really is pg in it based on the fact the flavoring is in pg. There are no exact regulations right now on how things should be labeled and people use different verbiage incorrectly so I just say house blend. But we add no additional pg to our mixes.


Once they set out the proper way that things need to be labeled and it is uniform with everyone then we will label that way. Until then I do not want to be misleading like so many other companies out there are. Another quick example. someone asked if we are 80 vg 20 pg. Even companies that say 80 20 are not 80 20 they are not taking into consideration the actual % of flavoring apart of the pg it rides in.


A correct label would have all the true percentages of each individual item whether that item is part of another item or not.


like this. most companies claim 100% vg but the label actually should look like this




70% VG
3% water
3% grain alcohol
24% flavoring.


and it should actually be broken down by the actual percentage of each item inside not the % of a whole item added.


The above label is what most companies would claim to be 100% vg. That is absolutely wrong as the 24% flavoring is in fact 90%pg with 10% flavor base.
and they mixed it down with water to help with wick-ability.


Honestly, try it and vape it if you like it. People are so into whats the pg vg, does it really matter? Most pure VG companies mix down their pure 100% with water or grain alcohol to make it wick in a tank anyway. A more relevant question is, will it flow in my clearomizer or is it geared towards pure dripping.


Just my two cents. or ten cents.


and half of this reply was geared at vapers in general, not at you Carolina Vapoor.


RML

 

[Carolina Vapoor]

The tartness is fine IMO. Honestly I was pleasantly surprised at how close the flavor is to a natural taste rater than a candy taste.

Selling pre-steeped juice is a great ideal. Especially for the flavors that are very blah at the beginning of their life cycle. I think a lot of juices get bad reviews from newer vapers that still do not understand the importance of steeping. So if those flavors are sold after letting them steep then people will be getting a more true to flavor juice. It is also going to appeal to seasoned vapers, especially for those of us who like a juice and forget to reorder so that we always have some that is steeped and ready to go.

As far as PG/VG percentages go....well it does not really matter to me. I no longer care all that much about throat hit, nor do I care about blowing huge clouds. I am 100% about the flavor. TBH with all the RBA's out now with adjustable air flow wicking is not so much of a problem anymore. So even if a juice is as thick as syrup I just close the air flow thus creating a tighter draw and as a result thicker juices are pulled to the wick.