GrimmGreen makes the call - no more ProTanks!

[DaveP]

Lol! Funny Incidentally, have you noticed Kanger now promises to replace all DOA heads? From Kangertech.com:



If you really want better QC from Kanger, start sending those dud heads in!!

I guess they need some bad heads to beat the QC guys over the head with.

 

[Deanwick]

I own and use 3 pt2's and an aspire tank. The aspire gurgles like crazy, hence why I bought 3 pt2's. I have had ONE of them leak. It was the o ring on the base. For some reason it was supper thin compared to the other 2 tanks. Swapped it out with provided extra oring and it's fixed. I have to admit I had to do some tinkering because of the tight draw but after a few more holes in the base and researching how to "fix" the problem (not a newb, but no vet either). I am going to purvhase at least one more pt2 next time I'm in the area of my local shop. My next step is to get into rebuilding the heads. I keep hearing/reading WAY too much good fuss about cotton wicking!


HAPPY vaping!

 

[Don Robertson]

I think the type of complaints that protanks get are pretty consistent. Gurgling, dry hits, leakage etc are common.

My protanks suck(1,2,3,unitank) but I love my evods and t3s.

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HOLY CRAP! ANOTHER "WALL OF WORDS"! How did it happen? Sorry - I just got carried away! Being "carried away" is how I wound up here with the people in white coats! Ya don't HAVE to read, but you'll miss a lot of truth if ya don't!

The "complaints" may be consistent - but I believe - REALLY believe it's as much "operator error" as anything. My first 'use' of my ProTank 2 Mini resulted in a hand full of 'juice'. I neglected to look closely enough while filling and ran 'juice' over the small partition where the bottom ring screws in to the "tube"; the 'juice' ran down the 'tube' and in to my hand. I didn't 'blow it out sufficiently and it 'gurgled'. Also - while it is not visible "condensation" builds inside after vaping for a while. This 'floods' after extended use; or, at least MINE does. On the T3S this 'condensation' can be seen and I think most folks clear it out with a twisted tissue etc. The PT's - they just "vape" and never clear it out.

DRY HITS - Honestly - unless I 'vape and vape' - which I can do when preoccupied at the computer or watching TV I have never (NEVER) had a 100% 'Dry Hit". I have had many that produce less of a 'cloud' (I believe the definition of 'cloud' varies from 'vaper to vaper') and I realized I had been 'hitting' it QUICKLY in succession. Wait a couple minutes and all is back to 'normal' (MY 'normal may differ from others 'normal'). The EXACT same thing happens with my T3S .......... for the same reason. Perhaps the 100% "dry hit" experienced by some is caused by a different 'juice viscosity' than I use (??) I don't know - but it just seems 'logical' in my abused 'brain'.

LEAKAGE? Back to the first use. Being afraid to 'OVER tighten' I stopped at 'snug' (another point where definitions vary) and even though the 'gaskets' were in place, not 'kinked' or 'twisted' - it 'leaked' at the bottom and I found 'wet finger' where I grasp when 'vaping'. I tightened a bit more - wiped off the 'juice' and no more leak.

COMMON? Only to the point where the 'operator' contributes to the 'problem'. I don't see a true 'defect' in the tank. HOWEVER on the 'MINI 2' - and this is my FIRST 'MINI' of any sort I always note that even when filled to the 'top' (when inverted) of the 'tube' the 'tank' is really only around 80% 'full' as compared to the T3S. I attributed this to a 'shorter tank' making it impossible to fill as I experienced on the T3S.

I DO NOTICE that the "PT2 Mini" seems to eat up juice at a far greater rate than the T3S. The coils being 'similar' but still distinctly different from the T3S coils (the larger surface area where the 'o-ring' makes contact to 'seal') is to me the only factor that could contribute from what "I SEE"; I may be missing something in the wick area (??) - perhaps a slightly larger 'opening' above or below the 'wicks'. I have never read that there 'IS' a difference that would explain the 'juice eating' yet it happens so something must be contributing.

*** I could see that the T3S coils looked like it would fit the PT' - but the reverse would not be possible due to different lower dimensions. So - I 'swapped' coils (PT coil 'out' -- T3S coil 'in') and still had the same experience with 'juice' being consumed at a far greater rate. I realize the 'capacity' is different from the T3S yet a measured amount of 'juice' confirmed the 'PT' used it more quickly; this is NOT a problem for me so I now simply 'vape and enjoy' the ProTank 2 Mini.

When I assembled my 'full size PT2' - I knew what I should do when tightening. I had no problems initially and I very honestly can say, "I have NO problems NOW". I 'vape away and enjoy'. Perhaps there are problems waiting to slap me silly - but, as of this moment I have NONE and without reservation can say, "FOR ME the PT2 and PT2 MINI is flawless".

While I am not one to "recommend" any particular item to new 'vapers' (and this tread is obviously not about anyone seeking advice on what to buy -- it's a gripe session) - I have no problem detailing my experiences and letting the new 'vaper' decide which is best for what they "THINK" 'vaping is going to be to them; we are all obviously so different when it comes to 'expectations' it is why 'research' is so important for ALL of us. Research - listen to experiences of others - decide if the 'pros and cons' are acceptable and then take the plunge.

If ANY atomizer and specifically the Pro Tank line in general 'sucks' there must be a common point explaining 'why'. MY opinion is that this common point is FIRST the OPERATOR ......... and then POSSIBLY but not likely the 'equipment'. Too many people swear BY them and not AT them; unless an individual is unlucky enough to be victim of highly unlikely odds and always finding the 'defective' batch across four model lines I don't believe there is any other valid reason to conclude they "suck".

Yea - yea - I know ........ I'm a 'fanboy'. Perhaps I am - but only because 'MINE WORK'.

From the podium at Senility Central ..... Old Man Don

 

[Don Robertson]

There have been some tanks where clones appeared even before official release...

And yet, demand for Kanger at double, triple, or even quadruple the cost of clones still outstrips their production with good QC. The illusion of brand-name quality assurance is enough for a high volume of sales.

The money is there - people spend hundreds upon hundreds on different brand-name tank, often from new startup companies with slow production, and are happy with their purchase.

As far as heads go, if I can purchase bulk PT heads for $.64 each, put 5 cents of material in them, and produce a coil superior than one that people are willing to pay $2 for, I can see there being a niche open for a business.

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And ya know that if ONE of your coils "fails" to produce a 'cloud of vapor' thick enough to hide a 747 your coils would be 'You Tubed' to death by the self-proclaimed 'experts'.

Not So Senile Right NOW ........ Old Man Don

 

[Don Robertson]

^ I tried like 20 seperate Evod's tonight, 20 seperate heads, and I noticed that they all had either a slight wicky note, or a slight metallic note. All filled by a vendor kind enough to use Evod's for FREE juice testing.

TWENTY ...as in 20? Holy Obsessive/Compulsive Disorder! TWENTY ............ no.

"Wicky taste". As in ya being able to FEEL the particles of wink in yer mouth? No.

"METALLIC TASTE"? How does that differ from the hundreds of other 'tastes' ya described those dozens of "scientific tests" ya always talk about? It doesn't - no.

You have a "VENDOR" silly enough to let ya suck on TWENTY EVODS? No.

And they call ME "senile"............. Old Man Don

 

[tj99959]

I take it that you like ProTanks Don.

 

[Don Robertson]

I take it that you like ProTanks Don.

I tried to be clear. I really did. Sometimes I just can't stop! Oh Lordie I'm turning into that GoodeVape or whatever his name is guy! Help me! Help me! I need an intervention!

Exhausted Senile Old Man Gregory ......... I mean DON

 

[BigDaddy8852]

I am just wondering is what someone says in a review really that important. No offense to the one who made the video. I havent had any problems with any of my protanks or stock protank coils for that matter. I really dont watch any of these reviews i will admit. I have tried alot of tanks and truthfully i have not had all the problems that i hear people say they have had with them. I dont know maybe i have all the good luck.

 

[Cromeus]

And ya know that if ONE of your coils "fails" to produce a 'cloud of vapor' thick enough to hide a 747 your coils would be 'You Tubed' to death by the self-proclaimed 'experts'.

Not So Senile Right NOW ........ Old Man Don

Mark them up even higher to cover the expenses of a performance guarantee and free(subsidized) small packet shipping. =p

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[f1vefour]

ProTank heads are by default setup to keep thin high PG juice from over seeping into the coil and flooding, it's what the 'flavor' wick is for.

It has to be setup for %100 PG which is the thinnest juice by default and do its best at providing a proper wicking environment for up to %100 VG which is the thickest juice.

Now herein is the issue, no device can properly wick %100 PG and %100 VG reliably without dry hits and/or flooding %100 of the time without some type of wick to air hole adjustment (removal of flavor wick being our only adjustment without re-wicking).

So the ProTank series along with other clearomizers designers did the best they could given all above variables. Without an adjustable wick rate ALL clearomizers will suffer from wicking issues...nature of the beast.

 

[K_Tech]

Why do people re-build the heads in Pro Tanks? Wouldn't it just be a lot easier to get an RBA with a tank?

For me, it's about quality control, and being able to experiment.

 

[Susaz]

I guess that's the problem - with the huge range of PVs/APVs out there, plus thousands of different juices in different PG/VG ratios, plus a variable amount of technical knowledge of how a topper works, how can someone be sure to get a great vape out of what they buy?

When I first got my PT2 I thought it was... OK - bit disappointed honestly, weak vape, lots of flooding, really tight draw but strangely, good throat hit.

I switched to the iClear 16b that came with my MVP and got tons of vape and it just worked but the throat hit wasn't there.

It was only after experimenting and watching some videos that I realised if you screw the PT all the way down you're blocking the airflow that comes through the center pin - and depending on the APV you've got, you may or may not encounter that problem.

The fix was simple, unscrew the PT a little and screw the beauty ring up to hold it in place - bingo! Stellar vape - plumes of vapour, great taste, great throat hit.

Some people just aren't going to take the time to figure that out though - or won't know where to look to get help - if you post about the PT here people will tell you:

Remove the flavour wick
Turn the grommet upside down
Rebuild the coil
PT's are junk
Mine works fine, it's user error (true in this case, but not explaining why)
etc. etc.

As more inexperienced vapers join our ranks, support for these devices and their associated problems needs to improve and really, that should be coming from the device manufacturers - they need to understand that their user-base is rapidly becoming less experienced and they need to provide good instructions and support to help them.

Oh, and QC is a big issue too - I was dry-burning my stock Kanger head earlier today and noticed only half of the coil was glowing - not a biggie, I'm getting some Kanthal in next week but really, for what you pay, these replacement heads often are just bad.

I'm an experienced vaper. The last good vape out of a Kanger was T3 (the originals). I get plumes of vapor from Vapeonly BCC, not from Kangers. I've had to reglue 2 V1, and several heads don't produce any vapor with my 60/40 liquid. I don't have burnt taste, just no vapor. Bad contact is another thing that plagues Kangers, so much I broke the center pin of my Gripper with a Protank. eVod heads are better but not much, housed inside a "T4" from Fasttech. On eVods I also had bad contact issues (bases are too tall).

You're trying to convince me that PT are the best. I have THE SAME PV as everyone else, and experience enough to know when doesn't work. But PTs don't work. Nothing Kanger works anymore.

 

[AegisPrime]

You're trying to convince me that PT are the best. I have THE SAME PV as everyone else, and experience enough to know when doesn't work. But PTs don't work. Nothing Kanger works anymore.

Not trying to convince you of anything - and I certainly wouldn't dream of saying Kanger is 'the best' - in fact, I'm saving up for a KFL+ at the moment.

But the Kanger does work and for me it works well (plumes of vapour, good taste and so much throat hit I'm dropping my nic - with a stock head too) - any and all issues I had from it were from me expecting to be able to just screw it on to my MVP and for it to work perfectly out of the box without understanding how it worked - something not even the Russian or Kayfun do since the first thing you need to do with them is build a coil.

Glad you found something that works for you though.

 

[crxess]

I just want to add this to the thread.

You will never know if anything is for you if you simply follow and shop reviewers opinion.
I watch GG an Busardo(love his reviews) as well as several seriously dedicated reviewers.
I constantly catch mistakes or (Very)personal judgement from every one.
It is not a big deal to me as I know we are all human and sort of wired that way.

Not Clearomizer is the absolute #1 cannot be beat design.
What works 100% for one seems to always Fail 100% for another
This is due to the non-adjustable Human Interface which must be included in final assembly
Device to mouth

We ALL Want it do do as we expect instead or realizing we need to adapt to the technology.

I suppose, to me, that means I really Don't care if GG has given up on Protanks. It simply proves my point. He cannot interface consistantly with PT's

Addition:

Also, you're in the same boat I might be in - our gear is older - most of the complaints are regarding newly bought gear. It could also be that clones are being sold as authentic Kangers - which is another reason to warn people if they buy them.

All my stuff is older? What the hell did I spend $1200 on in the last few months? Everyone knows I'm a compulsive spender - and I like helping new Vapers when I can.
Life is to short and I'm pretty sure I can't take the cash with me.

WHY in the world would anyone NOT recommend a Branded Item because someone else has cloned it and some vender is attempting to pawn off clones?
Apples have nothing to do with oranges............. well, they are both sort of round.

 

[_Lee]

I know what works for me; that is it. I have had an enjoyable time with all of my Protanks (I & II), but i have not had the same experience with the mini's. Evods have worked well for me also. They are not clones, and maybe I am lucky and got the "Wednesday" batches. They work on everything I attach them to and have been consistent throughout. I plan to purchase an Aerotank to give it a go.

When I watch reviews, I start with items I already have. This allows me to adjust my "your opinion/my opinion" ratio to find the median. I take no one person's review as the gospel, but some opinions carry more weight with me. They are closely mirrored to my own based on my miniscule experience.

My wife only likes EVODS; does not like cartos, cartotanks, PT's or the minis. So... I buy Protanks for me and EVODs for her. We share the same coils and juice; we both live in harmony.

End of story.

 

[f1vefour]

I also have experience connection issues on the Mini PT 2, the ohms are all over the place. EVODs are much less prone to this particular issue for some reason, I think it's the way the threads are designed best I can figure. Same head on EVOD is less likely to have jumpy ohms.

 

[supermarket]

I love my kangers! I have a pt 2,mini, evod and T3s. They all work great, granted I build my own coils but even the stock coils haven't been much of an issue. I have had more issues with my iclear 30

I'm the exact opposite, which is why ecigs will ALWAYS be subjective.

For me, I LOVED my pro tank1....but it was easily replaced by the better built, and better vaping carto tanks and iclear30. As for my pro tank 2, Ive had it for over 2 months now, and although I've tried fiddling with it for HOURS upon HOURS, it has yet to ever hit properly, even ONCE. Absolute garbage.

THe iclear30 however, has not given me any problems what so ever, and hits far better

Honestly, I think the new Aspire BDC devices are a step in the right direction, and hold the future. They have some kinks to work out, but if they can keep improving them, I think the aspire bdc will be next best thing.

 

[duroSIG556R]

Kanger is making me crazy...So I have a protank 3, now the pro tank 3 heads are coming with a stem, which the original 3 heads did not have. Will these new heads fit on my pro tank 3? Or, are they like the 2 and the new aero tank? Never mind that the pt2 heads don't fit on my t3. It's getting to the point where I'm starting to forget what coil goes to what tank!

 

[swoody]

I think people may overreact too quickly with new products and changing fads. Finding a fault with a device shouldn't be cause for a shrill war cry to banish it. You should treat it as a quirk and learn to work with it. Does anyone else here remember teabags and 510s?

I've used the iClear 30, PT2, PT3, and now the BDC. I can certainly say they all have their strong and weak points. None of them are perfect at this time, but I do have preferences for which ones suit *my* taste in particular applications. I can honestly say there is not a single factor with any of them which would make me consider it unsuitable as an ADV device.

I would also like to point out that with the wide popularity of the ProTank line, that a larger amount of people are using them than ever before. With the higher number of users come more reports of problems. This is just a percentages game. For every complaint out there, there are numerous satisfied users who may not be vocal about their experiences.

Just my $.02.


Woody

Edit: I should probably note that I have never rebuilt any heads, and have been happily vaping with them the way they come.

 

[f1vefour]

Since I started wicking my Kanger coils with cotton I have only had one coil flood and gurgle a little due to driving up a bridge and pressure changing. Clearomizers are sensitive to this issue.

Vaping an %80 PG eliquid on re-wicked stock and roll your own (no flavor wicks on either), cotton is just magical on these.

This is on four different coils in EVODs and Mini ProTank 2s.